Memories of Noah Syndergaard

[Ceetar]

Bob Alpacadaca wrote: Bob Alpacadaca wrote: The Angels might have done us a favor. We can spend that money on a pitcher who doesn't have as many question marks and can throw breaking balls. those don't exist, and the ones that do suck. Seriously? You don't think there are quality pitchers who don't have as many question marks as the guy who last pitched into the second inning in 2019 -- and wasn't allowed to throw breaking balls in the two innings he did pitch?

There aren't. There are few pitchers better than Syndergaard, and BREAKING, they're all pitchers so they all have questionable health. Would you rather the guy that just had the Tommy John, or the one that hasn't yet?

[Edgy MD]

They all have questionable health, but they don't all have questionable health to the same extent.



The list of pitchers who have given the Mets more over the last two years includes Akeem Bostick, Chasen Shreve, and Todd Frazier.



It really isn't an issue of him being a bad pitcher or even a bad risk. It's just a matter of whether or not it's a bad deal.

[Bob Alpacadaca]

Bob Alpacadaca wrote: =Ceetar post_id=81261 time=1637177125 user_id=102] those don't exist, and the ones that do suck. Seriously? You don't think there are quality pitchers who don't have as many question marks as the guy who last pitched into the second inning in 2019 -- and wasn't allowed to throw breaking balls in the two innings he did pitch?

There aren't. There are few pitchers better than Syndergaard, and BREAKING, they're all pitchers so they all have questionable health. Would you rather the guy that just had the Tommy John, or the one that hasn't yet?

[Edgy MD]

Just to be clear, I'm against the Mets picking anybody stupid.

[Ceetar]

The list of pitchers who have given the Mets more over the last three is



Wheeler

deGrom



But, let me know the list of pitchers that give the Mets more than him in 2022, because that's what we're talking about.



He didn't have some crazy shoulder surgery. He had a very common one, a minor setback, and he passed a physical and had an intensive conversation about the pitching plan medically and strategically for next year.



So any 'questionable health' extent is much lesser for Syndergaard than many others.



Even if he only throws half a season at career levels, he'd be around 60th of 200 starters last year in fWAR.



There were 176 IL assignments to pitchers in 2021. Which one of those guys do you think is less questionable? and good enough?

[Edgy MD]

=Ceetar post_id=81274 time=1637181040 user_id=102]But, let me know the list of pitchers that give the Mets more than him in 2022, because that's what we're talking about.

[Willets Point]

Shouldn't arguments about signing/not signing Syndergaard be in one of the 2 or 3 other Thor threads instead of the memory thread?

[Ceetar]

we got like three posts before it went off the rails, so *shrug*



maybe they should all be one thread.

[Edgy MD]

Agreed with Willets.



Anybody who would like to move there, feel free. I can move posts later.

[metsmarathon]

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goodbye, thor

[kcmets]

Next thing ya know some *pinhead* will post a Ramones song in one of

the three threads and there will be *pandemonium personified*!

[Bob Alpacadaca]

I should have posted my comment about the Angels doing the Mets a favor in the "Moving on" thread. My mistake.

[Willets Point]

"Blitzkrieg" means "lightning war," so one could say that Thor's homer was a "Blitzkrieg Bop."

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If you had to pick which pitcher would have the best future career when this card was made, deGrom would've gotten the least number of votes.



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2018 Typewriter Chewing Gum Total Mets team set - Code Name: Puppet, Pauper, Poet,

Pawn, King.



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This was probably my favorite card in this whole set. But because of covid, I don't think it has aged well.

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[whippoorwill]

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Please what is QO?

[kcmets]

=kcmets post_id=81257 time=1637173628 user_id=53]By more of the story

I just meant down the line something may come out why he reneged on his

'tough pill to swallow' speech.

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Edited November 17, 2021 by Guest

[bmfc1]

Joel Sherman has a column that I won't link to with declarations without attribution or quotes about how the Mets handled Noah. Sherman said that the Mets were silent, didn't follow-up, and allowed LAA to swoop in. He also said that the uncertainty with the Mets factored into the decision. To me, giving him the QO he wanted meant that they weren't silent and the Mets didn't have any obligation to check-in during the short acceptance period.

[kcmets]

Buffalo biscuits, Sherman's column is spot on imho.

[kcmets]

https://nypost.com/2021/11/17/mets-ghosted-noah-syndergaard-opened-door-for-angels-pursuit/How Mets drove Noah Syndergaard away in final days with team: Sherman

[whippoorwill]

Good guy, never did anything embarrassing to the Mets, lots of good and fun memories.

I wish him well but really he's too much of an X factor in my mind at this point.

His misfortune to have a contract year come after two years basically rehabbing could have been a disaster to him but I guess he landed on his feet

[batmagadanleadoff]

How does anyone know for sure that the Mets drove Syndergaard away? Maybe this all played out exactly how the Mets were hoping it would play out. Maybe the Mets preferred the draft pick over Syndergaard -- years of relatively cheap controllable talent over a guy pushing 30 with oodles and oodles of questionmarks yet poised to make about $20M a year.

[Ceetar]

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How does anyone know for sure that the Mets drove Syndergaard away? Maybe this all played out exactly how the Mets were hoping it would play out. Maybe the Mets preferred the draft pick over Syndergaard -- years of relatively cheap controllable talent over a guy pushing 30 with oodles and oodles of questionmarks yet poised to make about $20M a year.

[Edgy MD]

I think we all have opinions but lack most of the pertinent facts. That includes Sherman, although he seems to think he has a pretty clear idea what went down at Minasian's dinner overture.

[batmagadanleadoff]

The only Met ever to be featured on the cover of The New Yorker magazine.



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