Fire Luis Rojas

[Centerfield]

Didn't impress me at all last year. Fucked up game 1 badly.



Didn't start Dom. Pulled deGrom too early. Pulled Castro too early. Loup over Lucchesi. Formula over hot hand.



I've seen enough. Let's get Beltran.

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

I'm with you. Who could possibly support how he played it today

[Fman99]

Let's beat him with a boat oar until he cries for his mama.

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

Well I don't want Beltran either. But geez

[Edgy MD]

I can't begin to justify the pull, but it seems like I watch every Mets manager like Matthew Broderick watched Joshua, urging him to learn faster to keep the world from blowing up.



And as the World Series showed, it's not just Mets managers.

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

He pissed away a complete mismatch on opening day. FUcK HiM

[kcmets]

Rojas will be fine, Mets will contend to win the division.

[Ceetar]

I get that it's the first start after a long lay off (thanks Nats) and a long season after a short one, but nothing nothing Rojas or the Mets have shown over the years suggests that that was even 10% of the reasoning. And even if it was, it's some sort of weird emotional adherence to some pseudoscience guessing about what is good or bad for a pitcher's health/arm.



I'm still pissed they fired Beltran and I don't know why you'd just roll with the previous GMs second-ish choice after a disappointing underperforming season.

[Edgy MD]

I get the idea that it was about 80% of the reasoning.



It was just reasoning with 8% validity.

[LWFS]

=Centerfield post_id=59659 time=1617676397 user_id=65]
Didn't impress me at all last year. Fucked up game 1 badly.



Didn't start Dom. Pulled deGrom too early. Pulled Castro too early. Loup over Lucchesi. Formula over hot hand.



I've seen enough. Let's get Beltran.

[Ceetar]

nah, cause he said 100 pitches earlier in the day.



They purposely skipped Lucchesi so he can pitch on Saturday. Either you're going to ease him into it or not. Innings against the Phillies are arguably more important than innings against the Marlins. Rather him to 7/95 here and 6/77 Saturday than the other way around.



I guess the skipping Lucchesi is to try to squeeze one more deGrom start into the season since everything's getting more compact, but like, There are a lot of off days in April and I'd be good money they're not going to keep deGrom on every 5 days that entire time anyway.



But either way, stop coming up with convoluted metrics and 'ups' and reasons and just tell us you guys determined he'd was reaching the end of his endurance

[Edgy MD]

Every fucking out you get out of your starting pitcher is a victory in a war.



Every out you elect not to get out of him while he's still getting it done, is a surrender in that same war.



But I just can't make it about Luis because the bad logic is viral. Everybody's got it. I have little reason to believe Sandy doesn't have it too. He's as smart as you can hope a GM can be, but philosophical assumptions and bad logic can create a huge blind spot for even the smartest dudes.

[LWFS]

He was working about as efficiently as a strikeout-y starting pitcher works. 77 pitches through 6 is less than 13 pitches per inning.



Just caught a little of the Rojas explanation, and it was full of "maybe" when trying to explain. Like, "maybe that was the reason behind that decision." Like, maybe it's my English-major close-reading-reflex bullshit, but it almost sounds as if it wasn't quite his decision, and he wasn't privy to/couldn't quite explain the reasoning behind it.

[A Boy Named Seo]

Did he flub the double switch? I was surprised and Gary seemed surprised but I was on my third beer (don't know about Gary).



But lifting deGrom was fucking insane. I know it's OD, but JdG wasn't driving uber in the off-season. He was ready to pitch today and coulda gone the distance if he had to.

[Centerfield]

Our ace was getting squeezed. Their guy was getting 3-4 inches off the plate on both sides. The first time it happens you bark a little. If it keeps happening you get yourself thrown out. Maybe it does little to change the result, but if the ump is going to squeeze you at least let him know you're not happy.

[Fman99]

He was white hot in the 6th. I mean I get that it's a long season but 77 pitches.



His lineup choices for game 1 were also abhorrent. Why is Nimmo hitting 8th and Pillar first? Why is Smith sitting? Those are rotten selections and you can't tell me otherwise. I am willing to concede that Pillar saved them a run with that strong throw to get the runner at 3rd. He also barfed with the bases loaded in the 4th, so maybe he saved one run and cost his team two others.

[Edgy MD]

=Centerfield post_id=59689 time=1617707647 user_id=65]
Our ace was getting squeezed. Their guy was getting 3-4 inches off the plate on both sides. The first time it happens you bark a little. If it keeps happening you get yourself thrown out. Maybe it does little to change the result, but if the ump is going to squeeze you at least let him know you're not happy.

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

=kcmets post_id=59668 time=1617677245 user_id=53]
Rojas will be fine, Mets will contend to win the division.

[MFS62]

Edgy MD wrote: ... but it seems like I watch every Mets manager like Matthew Broderick watched Joshua, urging him to learn faster to keep the world from blowing up.

And Joshua learned that it could not win the game.

I hope we don't continue to feel that way about the Mets with Rojas managing.

(Nice movie reference)



Later

[Edgy MD]

"Coach Jackson, Michael Jordan was hitting everything for three quarters. Why did you pull him for Dennis Hopson at the start of the fourth quarter?"



"Well, we didn't want Michael to have too many ups."

[smg58]

Loup makes more sense (at least in theory) than Lucchesi in that situation, and I get that one of our lefty hitters will sit when a lefty starts for the other team, but DeGrom getting 77 pitches when you know (or at least should know) that the pen is the weak link on the team is just not defensible, by any standard. I don't want Jake throwing 100 mph, especially since he doesn't need to to get guys out. I want him going seven every outing, eight on average, and all nine when necessary.

[Edgy MD]

I don't think the issue is a weak pen at all. That, to me, is overthinking it, and plays into the logical trap that we're stuck in.



If you have peak-value Wilhelm, Eckersley, and Rivera available in the pen, you still don't lift deGrom unless/until the situation necessitates it.

[smg58]

Oh, and leading off a guy with a sub-.300 career OBP is moronic.

[Ceetar]

=Fman99 post_id=59690 time=1617708743 user_id=86]
I am willing to concede that Pillar saved them a run with that strong throw to get the runner at 3rd. He also barfed with the bases loaded in the 4th, so maybe he saved one run and cost his team two others.

[Centerfield]

How many times did our guys walk away shaking their heads? Even Nimmo gave a sourpuss face. All those calls matter. Even just driving up the pitch count for Jake. This is managerial malpractice.

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

He's an idiot

[LWFS]

At least re: lineup construction/"explanations" that make me want to scream at someone, anyone, everyone... he definitely has that Young Jerry Manuel smell about him

[Centerfield]

At least re: lineup construction/"explanations" that make me want to scream at someone, anyone, everyone... he definitely has that Young Jerry Manuel smell about him

Young Jerry Manuel would have let Brian O'Nora hear it and gotten tossed from this game.

[Lefty Specialist]

There are plenty of grumbles to go around.



You don't bat Nimmo 8th, you bat him first.

Yeah, it's a lefty, but it wasn't Steve Freaking Carlton out there. Dom should have started.

DeGrom had barely broken a sweat and could have gone another inning. Apparently the pre-game 'plan' was 6 innings (or 'ups'), but you adjust plans based on game situations. At least that's what competent, confident managers are supposed to do.

Memo to Sandy: the bullpen still sucks. If this is any indication of what's coming, it'll be a long summer in Flushing.



Yes, one game, long season, yada, yada, yada. But this game was a microcosm of what's always been wrong with the Mets- losing winnable games.

[Edgy MD]

Such a distinctive smell this card has.



https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51vJoen37oL._AC_.jpg>



I'll say it again. I think prioritizing the bullpen is a fool's errand. The best thing you can do for your bullpen is to use them as little as possible.