Let's talk about Jacob Tyler Realmuto

[Benjamin Grimm]

If Nimmo was able to get them Andrew McCutchen, he should be able to get them J.T. Realmuto, right?

Realmuto is 27, and under team control through the 2020 season.

[MFS62]

The guys on WFAN yesterday were saying it would probably take more than just Nimmo.
But (of course) they didn't say who else might be included in that deal.

Later

[Ceetar]

the thing is, he's hurt.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Yes, that's a factor. He's expected to return soon, though.

[Centerfield]

I would guess Dom Smith and Nimmo. Maybe a pitcher too.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

not trading Zimmo for him. That's insane

[Ceetar]

Realmuto's got a great pop-time, which will attract attention because Plawecki and d'Arnaud don't, but he's perhaps not that good a framer. bunch of his WAR is tied up in defense. He's still a good hitter, he's just not a great hitter.

I dunno, I'd be fine with him but I don't think I'd give up Nimmo for him.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

PJ Conlon and Nido or GTFO

[Guest d'Kong76]

Ceetar wrote: but he's perhaps not that good a framer.

Just to get it out of the way early this year:

If an umpire is calling balls and strikes based on the catcher framing a
pitch he's not doing his job properly. The strike zone is where the ball
crosses the plate not where the catcher's glove is or where it magically
ends up.

I now return you to the J T Realmuto discussion.

[Ceetar]

d'Kong76 wrote: but he's perhaps not that good a framer. Just to get it out of the way early this year: If an umpire is calling balls and strikes based on the catcher framing a pitch he's not doing his job properly. The strike zone is where the ball crosses the plate not where the catcher's glove is or where it magically ends up. I now return you to the J T Realmuto discussion.

and until we get robo-umps, the ability of a catcher to make an umpire do a bad job is still a valid value-add.

[batmagadanleadoff]

He's always griping, unreasonably, about pitch-framing, every single time it comes up here. Like he wants to deny the reality of it because he cant stand that it exists. There's nothing that can be done about it because the ump can't call precise balls and strikes at the edge of the plate. The catcher's mitt blocks the umps vision of the ball as it nears the plate. He'd need x-ray vision to overcome the catcher's ability to pitch-frame to get an undeserved strike call.

Edited April 13, 2018 by Guest

[Centerfield]

For the record, I wouldn't give up Nimmo for Realmuto. I think JT is a good, but not great hitter. I think Nimmo can be great.

I think an easy fix is Wilson Ramos. The guy can hit, is healthy now, and won't cost much in terms of a return. He makes a lot of money, but that shouldn't be a hurdle for a team like the Mets.

[seawolf17]

Ceetar wrote: Ceetar wrote: but he's perhaps not that good a framer. Just to get it out of the way early this year: If an umpire is calling balls and strikes based on the catcher framing a pitch he's not doing his job properly. The strike zone is where the ball crosses the plate not where the catcher's glove is or where it magically ends up. I now return you to the J T Realmuto discussion. and until we get robo-umps, the ability of a catcher to make an umpire do a bad job is still a valid value-add.

Absolutely. And to just ignore it is silly.

[Guest d'Kong76]

batmagadanleadoff wrote: He's always griping, unreasonably, about pitch-framing, every single time it comes up here.

Actually, the last few years I've tried to only bring it up once (maybe
twice) a year.
Check your d'Kong database, you're slipping! :-)

[Guest d'Kong76]

seawolf17 wrote: Absolutely. And to just ignore it is silly.

Not ignoring it, saying it's wrong to call balls and strikes based on where
a catcher moves his glove to.

[Ceetar]

d'Kong76 wrote: seawolf17 wrote: Absolutely. And to just ignore it is silly. Not ignoring it, saying it's wrong to call balls and strikes based on where a catcher moves his glove to.

humans are dumb. This is why we shouldn't trust them to do important things like drive, or call balls and strikes.

[Centerfield]

I come out on the other side. I think framing is a skill and have no problem with one catcher being better at it than another.

Certainly at lower levels, where the quality of pitching, catching and umpiring is not as high, framing is a big factor.

[Guest d'Kong76]

I don't mean to hijack the thread, maybe we can split this part out.

[nymr83]

Centerfield wrote: I come out on the other side. I think framing is a skill and have no problem with one catcher being better at it than another. Certainly at lower levels, where the quality of pitching, catching and umpiring is not as high, framing is a big factor.

It is certainly a skill and it should certainly be taken advantage of for as long as it is helpful to the team winning.

However, the league should take action to make this skill less important by increasing the accuracy of balls and strikes through electronic monitoring of the strike zone, because a more consistently called game is a good thing.

being good at framing pitches is pretty much the same thing as being good at "flopping" (overemphasizing contact with your body language to draw a foul call) in the NBA.

[Ceetar]

also I'm not sure someone so quiet would fit in with this team.

[Benjamin Grimm]

The New York Post wrote: A source told The Post’s Mike Puma that the Mets have spoken to the Marlins about catcher J.T. Realmuto. It would take a significant haul from the Mets to land Realmuto from the rebuilding Marlins. The 27-year-old has yet to play this season due to a back contusion, but is expected to return to Miami’s lineup next week.

[Edgy MD]

Centerfield wrote: I would guess Dom Smith and Nimmo. Maybe a pitcher too.

Madness.

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: PJ Conlon and Nido or GTFO

P.J. Carlesimo or GTFO.

[smg58]

Realmuto is pretty good with the bat and glove, so I wouldn’t sell him short. That being said, Plawecki’s timetable is not that long, Realmuto is not ready right now, and Nimmo is one injury away from being needed.

Carlos Ruiz is still on the market. He’s way past his prime, but if you want an experienced major leaguer for basically nothing, he’ll do.

[Edgy MD]

Send Nimmo to Miami, and watch him beat us 10-12 times a year.

[ashie62]

Realmuto is one of the better catchers in baseball. I do not believe Nimmo would get it done.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Anyone who'd give up Zimmo for a fucking catcher is out of their mind

[nymr83]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Anyone who'd give up Zimmo for a fucking catcher is out of their mind

Whats the position have to do with it? If the Yankees call with Gary Sanchez you can sign me up.

[Guest Rockin' Doc]

Nymr83 wrote: John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Anyone who'd give up Zimmo for a fucking catcher is out of their mind Whats the position have to do with it? If the Yankees call with Gary Sanchez you can sign me up.

I like Nimmo, but the Mets really need a catcher right now. If they can land a quality backstop for Nimmo, then I'm on board. That being saind, I don't think there are many options readily available though. So Unless Buster Posey, Gary Sanchez, or Yadier Molina becomes available for Nimmo, I would hold on to Nimmo and try to make due with what the Mets have.

[Frayed Knot]

JT R made his season debut for the Marlins Tuesday night: 2-for-4 w/a HR

[Centerfield]

Reading through this thread now. I didn't mean to imply I was on board giving up Nimmo. I love the guy. Would not trade him for Realmuto.

Especially since the price should be much lower on Wilson Ramos.