Carlos Beltran Retires

[Ceetar]

Goes out as a champion. 5 year waiting period begins now.

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[seawolf17]

Unquestionably a HOFer. And an all-time Met.

[Guest d'Kong76]

Hopefully there will be no dragging of the feet to get him into Mets HOF.

[Edgy MD]

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[nymr83]

He goes in as a MET or we storm Cooperstown, right?

[Edgy MD]

Maybe his request will be for a PR on his hat.

[Guest d'Kong76]

Memories of Carlos Beltran - archives.thecranepool.net

[Ceetar]

Nymr83 wrote: He goes in as a MET or we storm Cooperstown, right?

feel like there's a good chance it's just blank.

[dgwphotography]

Damn, he was so good, and as I said earlier, the best centerfielder the Mets ever had...

**but**

...sigh...

Not a hall of famer...

Looking at his career on Baseball reference, he has no black ink (well, one, for games played) for all of his defensive prowess, only 3 gold gloves. As much as I would love to see him go into the Hall as a Met, I think he's among the very very good, who doesn't go in.

[Edgy MD]

One of the most efficient basestealers of all time.

One of the most successful, if not the most successful, post season player of all time.

[G-Fafif]

I can see Beltran as a capless throwback. Mel Ott played an entire HOF career as a New York Giant, yet went capless, and at his peak, Beltran had better hair.

[dgwphotography]

Edgy MD wrote: One of the most efficient basestealers of all time. One of the most successful, if not the most successful, post season player of all time.

Really, We're going to elect him based on base-stealing efficiency?

A career .279/.350/.486/.837 with no black numbers is not hall of fame worthy. As much as I loved him as a player, he's the definition of a compiler.

[Edgy MD]

dgwphotography wrote: Really, We're going to elect him based on base-stealing efficiency?

No, it's part of the accumulation. We're going to elect him, if we elect him, based on that, and on his historically outstanding post-season performances, on top of everything else, including what you noted.

[Ceetar]

looking for black numbers is merely cherry picking stats. He was great. He was the best center fielder of the decade.

fWAR by CF 2001-2010

Beltran 50.3



Jones 39.8
Edmonds 38.6
Cameron 36.5
Hunter 31.6
Damon 31.3

switch it over to OF?

Bonds 54.3
Suzuki 53.1
Beltran 50.3
Berkman 48.8
C Jones 46.9

He was a legit power/speed 5-tool player that also switch hit. He was a presence in the postseason, he was a impeccable clubhouse guy.

[Edgy MD]

Baseball-Reference ranks him eighth all-time in WAR among centerfielders, and that's (obviously) not including his post-season record. They have him ninth in JAWS. All the guys ahead of him are in the Hall of Fame.

Hall of Famers behind him include Richie Ashburn, Andre Dawson, Slidin' Billy Hamilton, Larry Doby, Kirby Puckett, Max Carey, Earl Averill, Earle Combs, Edd Roush*, Hack Wilson, and Hugh Duffy.

Fangraphs has him eighth in fWAR, behind Willie Mays, Ty Cobb, Tris Speaker, Mickey Mantle, Joe DiMaggio, Ken Griffey, Jr., and Al Simmons

* Also joins Gregg Jefferies and Donn Clendennon in the Non-Traditional-Double-Consonant-at-the-End-of-My-First-Name Hall of Fame

[Guest d'Kong76]

Another good one:

Beltran to Giants - archives.thecranepool.net

[Edgy MD]

If we still want Brown, I hear the Atlantic League's Southern Maryland Blue Crabs are willing to talk.

[Valadius]

I imagine if he goes in with a team cap, it's Royals vs. Mets for that honor. Can somebody pull the numbers on that?

[Ceetar]

Valadius wrote: I imagine if he goes in with a team cap, it's Royals vs. Mets for that honor. Can somebody pull the numbers on that?

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/beltrca01.shtml

He has 1 more AB, but 120 fewer PA as a Royal, but his numbers with the Mets are better plus postseason.

Depends if you want to give credit for the minors/drafting/development i guess, but Mets is odds-on favorite. (well, I think Maddux-style blank is probably the front runner)

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

LOlling at "I'm a chilled guy" from the Beltran trade thread.

[metsmarathon]

in 1999, the outfield gold gloves were awarded to bernie williams (-1.1 dWAR), ken griffey jr (0.9 dWAR) and shawn green (0.0 dWAR). carlos beltran, a rookie, had a dWAR of 2.2
in 2001, the outfield gold gloves were awarded to torii hunter (2.4 dWAR), mike cameron (1.4 dWAR), and ichiro suzuki (0.9 dWAR). carlos beltran had a dWAR of 0.9.

defensive stats are according to baseball reference, and may not be fully accurate.

though, neither are the gold glove awards in determining a players' value.

[Benjamin Grimm]

If he does get in to the Hall of Fame, I hope that his plaque mentions "Vanis Takee"

[Centerfield]

dgwphotography wrote: only 3 gold gloves.

I think this is largely a result of his ability to make incredibly tough catches look easy. That Beltran has three and dickhead Edmonds has eight is all you need to know about Gold Gloves.

In the 2013 ALCS Torii Hunter went over the wall but missed David Ortiz grand slam (this is the one with the celebrating cop). Even in failure, everyone marveled at the hustle of a Gold Glover like Torii Hunter. It was all over the news.

A week later, in Game 1 of the World Series, in the same exact spot, Beltran went back, caught the ball in stride, and Ortiz was robbed of his Grand Slam, bounced off the wall, and then threw back in to hold the runner.

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No one remembers this because he made it look too damn easy.

He hurt his ribs on that play, but didn't write around in pain. He came in, tried to play through, but had to be taken out to get x-rays. They were negative, and like a boss, he was back in the lineup for game 2.

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[Edgy MD]

Man, you know what defensive stats tell me? Andruw Jones laps the field in terms of defensive productivity in centerfield. And almost all of that came before he turned 26.

I get the idea that, if he makes the Hall of Fame, it's going to be a long and painful process, but if you trust the available defensive numbers at all, they suggest he's a pretty easy pick.

[Ceetar]

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[Centerfield]

That's it. Largely forgotten.

But Nori Aoki stumbling and sliding and taking the wrong route on a ball makes Sportscenter every time.

[metsmarathon]

he broke mike camerons face with his own face. cameron's season was over. beltran missed 4 days.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

I'll admit to being one of those guys who perhaps "underappreciated" Beltran. It wasn't about him; I just in a matter of taste would prefer to fall in love with our own guys and I think, again, not necessarily his fault, but the team and he sort of failed one another after 2008.

That said I'd support his Hall of Famousness and think he was a good guy and a great player.

[Benjamin Grimm]

His 2006 season was probably as exciting a Mets season that we've had since Doc Gooden in 1985. (I don't mean to dis Mike Piazza. It's just that the Piazza years came between the end of WWOR as a super station and my discovery of MLB Extra Innings, so I didn't see as much of the Mets during that time period.)

[Centerfield]

Got hurt in 2009 and wanted to have surgery. The Mets recommended rehab instead. Beltran complied.

The rehab not working, Beltran sought surgery again in January of 2010. The Mets were still not on board. Depending on what version you believe, Beltran basically told the Mets to go fuck themselves and got the work done. Got healthy, and went on to play 7 more years.

He was a huge free agent signing. A superstar, in his prime, signed to a mega deal. Not only did he provide value, he netted us a top pitching prospect on his way out.

An important history lesson for those who think that the Mets injury issues might suddenly disappear in 2018.