I agree with Scarlet and disagree with Elster. For a Met fan from the late '70s-early 80's Doc Gooden represented a bright, winning future for our franchise. He was our generation's Seaver. Our sure-fire Hall of Famer. Yankee fans had no answer to Doc. Especially after 1985 when he not only matched Guidry's '78 but bettered it. We invested so much in Dwight Gooden as fans that when he disappointed us we were devastated. There are a lot of us that were Doc's biggest fans and now we are his biggest detractors. If he had hurt his arm or there were some other reason for his demise I would have been much more accepting. But he did it to himself. While I was cheering him and giving him my unconditional support as a fan he was not reciprocating. He was not giving it his all as a player. I felt betrayed. Straw was different for the reasons already stated. While here, even though he abused himself he still was able to deliver on his potential. Once he left I didn't care what he did. I wished he would've stayed and at the time my position was that they should've opened up the vault for him. Would it have made a difference in his performance here? Would he have collapsed as a Met instead of a Dodger? Would his remaining a Met have reversed that downward spiral? If it hadn't would I feel the same about Straw as I do Gooden? Don't know. I do know that by abusing himself as a Met, Gooden abused not only the support of his fans but their dreams for who he was going to be. Is it his fault? Should a kid in his early 20s be held accountable for something as intangible as that? Maybe, maybe not. Its not for me to decide but that's how I feel.