Ceetar

Well, would we feel better if they didn't fire him, but leaked that they were going to?

Edgy DC wrote: I don't think it's a question of pay. The amount of money an interim manager gets is neglible in the context of the cost of running a team. I think it's a question of not seeing the point of grabbing an interim.

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I agree! That's exactly the kind of thing Jerry does! He tells his players to attack their fathers-in-law after most losses! To be fair, Jerry though K-Rod's father in law was Oliver Perez.

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Ceetar wrote: Manuel uses him properly this probably never happens. I thought the Mets didn't have enough "fuck you" attitude? wtf. What? is that a stretch? Seriously though, I think Manuel set this up to distract from his contradictory post game comments.

Manuel uses him properly this probably never happens. I thought the Mets didn't have enough "fuck you" attitude?

Edgy DC wrote: Ceetar wrote: Specific article aside... Except that's what this thread is about. Ceetar wrote: ...Frenchy's been in closed door meetings with Manuel and what not. I'm not sure what meetings these are, but so what? Ceetar wrote: He equated himself with Bay and Pagan when Beltran returned saying "We'll just have to find time for all 4 of us" and the trade stuff has popped up before. Before I respond, which quotes are these? Ceetar wrote: oh, and he sucks. So mischaracterization and deliberate over-reaction and hostility are all cool then? I'm not sure I could find the quote again. It was on Mets Extra, so it's probably not in print. He pretty much said they're all playing well, and they all deserve to play. He's had a couple of meets with Manuel and the beat reporters have said they're about his playing time. He was supposedly one of the ones that had a problem with Strawberry in the clubhouse. And his agent is a representation of him, so while the quotes are hers, the sentiment is going to be attributed to him. Too many things like this and it makes him sound whiny and unhappy to me, certainly not a 'good clubhouse guy'.

Edgy DC wrote: This is the second thread this article has been posted in, triggering a whole bunch of characterizations of and reactions to what it doesn't say. Specific article aside, Frenchy's been in closed door meetings with Manuel and what not. He equated himself with Bay and Pagan when Beltran returned saying "We'll just have to find time for all 4 of us" and the trade stuff has popped up before. oh, and he sucks.

Edgy DC wrote: I don't understand all these proposals to deal him. Is there really a market for him at all? The guy just cleared waivers. The reality seems to be that he's worth far more to the Mets right now than he is to any other team. but but but... as David Lennon points out, Frenchy hit two home runs recently! Beltran's taking time away from him! Definitely worth more to the Mets. hopefully tonight is the first step of a 200+ game stretch of hitting .320 with 40 home runs.

TransMonk wrote: There's no denying that Beltran may have some baseball left in him. But does he help the 2011 team? Without increasing payroll are the Mets going to be better in 2011 than they were in 2010? If not, does Beltran even matter? If not, should we use dealing him to build for the future? What's the plan? Show me the plan! Showing you the plan would be detrimental to the plan. Don't want to tip their hands, etc. Sorry, you don't have clearance. :-D I think a lot of what they did and didn't do this year suggests they have a plan. I think, unless he's completely washed up, that Beltran definitely helps the 2011 team. I don't really care what he's making. The Mets should have some flexibility to upgrade in a couple of areas (and they don't need a ton of high priced imports to do so anyway), so the $/run Beltran provided doesn't really matter much.

Willets Point wrote: Isn't it a bit early to give up on Beltran when he just came back from a lengthy spell on the DL? Granted he could be in permanent decline, but I think he could still bounce back to being a productive player. Definitely too early, and the brace is an unquantifiable quality. I don't think 20 games back from a long layoff is enough data for any rash decisions. There is, I suppose, hope that the bruise heals in the offseason as well and he doesn't need the brace next year.

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: In other news, the MFYs lost in Texas last night after Mariano in the 10th inning went: single/single/force-play/intentional walk/single. This is why Manuel is brilliant. He makes sure to give away games earlier in the week so he can get his closer work so that when he decides to call on him he's prepared. Girardi only let Mariano throw a handful of pitches in a week!

The Second Spitter wrote: John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I could see Beltran on the MFYs. I don't think I could live with that. Unless he undoubtedly needed to have microfracture, like tomorrow, but I like Carlos and don't actually want him to have to go through that. Or have to deal with those guys. He'd miss David and Jose so much that at the next Subway Series game Michael Kay would be flipping out when Carlos spends too much time socializing across the diamond. Beltran will play, he'll start hitting. he'll stay a Met through his contract. Don't see him getting traded now.

metirish wrote: And complicating things even further is that he looks rubbish out there in center , not the elite player he once was. I'm having a closed door meeting with Jerry today. Isn't everyone? i thought that was included in the price of a ticket these days.

Pelfrey 5 Takahashi 1 F Rodriguez 1 Reyes 1 Thole .5

They've given up, so why not just start Ollie and be done with it?

Let's see how the lineup shakes out. Will Castillo get the start, particularly against a tough pitcher? It's a righty, does that mean Fernando instead of Frenchy? Will Beltran talk his way into the lineup?

Willets Point wrote: Hard to imagine the Yankees firing their manager after hoisting trophy #28 in the air. Why would the Rays let them touch it again?

Frayed Knot wrote: Is Girardi leaving the MFYs a possibility? Girardi is both from and went to school in (Northwestern) the Chicago area and is also a former Cub. That, along with Piniella's impending retirement and the fact that Girardi is signed only through this season, has sent media types speculating about the idea of him 'going home' to Chicago's north side although there's nothing beyond that sort of speculation at this point. If nothing else, just the thought that that job is potentially out there is enough to keep Yanx mgmt from taking the stand during negotiations this winter that there's no other job that could possibly compare to the one in the Bronx. Also, Girardi grew up a Cubs fan. Who knows what happens, maybe the Yankees give him a crazy stupid contract that we all laugh at.