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Edgy MD wrote: I figured there would be a modestly respectful bump in the Mets' outlay to Reyes for 2017. I'd bet that Heyman is wrong about that. I think you do need sources. I see no indication anywhere that the Mets would have to up the payment. I'm trying to figure out if the Mets actually 'own' his rights for 2017 or is he technically a free agent and the Mets just get the exclusive window to negotiate with him? They only have to offer him league minimum though, and if he rejects that he forfeits that money from the Rockies as well. This is where it gets murky though, could other teams offer him more? Reyes himself would not get more money, it'd just be deducted from the Rockies number, but say a club with a lesser income tax than Colorado wanted to offer him $4 million. "See, look, you'll get more money this way if it comes from us so screw the Mets?" I believe as this is technically a new contract and not his original, the Mets don't have rights to the '18 option year.

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: We've been over the Turner thing before. My take is that he got fat, then got hurt because got fat, and he wrote his ticket out because he was unavailable when they needed him. The other thing about Turner: He gives Marlon Byrd a lot of credit for helping his swing and approach at the plate but given Byrd's shape and being twice whistled for PEDs, I'd be surprised if some of that help he shared with Turner wasn't chemical. I suspect the 5.1% BB rate had a lot to do with it. Someone got him to be more patient and wait for his pitch and drive it, because his BB% go up slightly but his ISO is what really drove the increase. 2014 had a lot of luck too, .400 BABIP, but significant power bump was the big thing. The Mets weren't getting through to him, but someone with the Dodgers did. happens. Ultimately maybe they should've fired Hudgens in the offseason and not May, and kept Turner, but hey.

butterflies.. They probably don't win again in '07 or '08, but they make the postseason. Whether from confidence, the WS title making more of a seller out of Philly, or simply a team that won it all makes different minor moves next year that leads to better results. Wright DOES win that '07 MVP if the Mets make it, and the Phillies make different moves for 2008 which probably ends up worse than what happens. It's not the George Steinbrenner years but I still think the Yankees react differently to a Mets championship, and as a result don't win in 2009. Between the finances and the age the Mets window probably still closes in '09, though not as disastrously, and increased revenue and attention from a 3-year postseason run leaves them financially better off than what really happens. The Mets themselves are still profitable and while the Wilpons still siphon off the top of SNY revenue and naming rights and such, they can't and don't pillage it too much because that money is still Mets money and leaving it there protects it from the lawsuit. Further removed it's murkier obviously, the results are all different so the draft picks are all different and probably still made by Omar Minaya. They're both still removed after 2012 for a fresh start after 3 down years where some of the injuries sit on the payroll that the Mets can't increase, even if it's at a higher level than it really was. Different players means different pitchers means different sequences meaning David Wright never breaks his back at that play at third. He continues putting up solid to great years and is borderline Hall of Famer now. The spinal stinosis still creeps in, but his healthier back in general means it's not quite as debilitating yet, just a cause for concern. It's probably still Terry Collins managing. It might even still be Alderson.

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: If we offer the QO I think he takes it right away, compromises our flexibility wrt other players owed increases due to arbitration or re-signing, and unnecessarily creates a logjam at one of the few places where our depth could serve us more efficiently. It's extremely unlikely he takes it based on any history with it. I also don't think it hurts the flexibility too much. Also the Mets have a lot more information in regards to this, as they've talked with teams about trades and have to have a better idea of who wants a 2B and what not. Then again, maybe the idea that all they could get for Herrera was Bruce speaks to lack of demand for 2B? I think you're overstating the logjam more than we're overstating Walker's value though. 12/38 players with at least 300 PA at 2B in terms of wRC+. That's a little bit more than above average and it's asking a lot to ask any of the players we've got to manage that, plus he played good defense. Not to mention that some of the logjam might be used to backup/play third. Also there was a home run spike in baseball in general, so while yes he had a career high SLG (though not ISO), a lot of players did last year.

there's some options here, but this is a much better crop for 2017-2018. Of course Walker wants to try to get his multi-year deal now rather than enter the market against a larger supply Dustin Ackley (30) Jose Altuve (28) — $6MM club option Alexi Amarista (29) Darwin Barney (32) Danny Espinosa (31) Ryan Flaherty (31) Logan Forsythe (31) — $8.5MM club option with a $1MM buyout Brett Lawrie (28) Jed Lowrie (34) — $6MM club option with a $1MM buyout Howie Kendrick (34) Ian Kinsler (36) — $10MM club option with a $5MM buyout Eduardo Nunez (31) Cliff Pennington (34) Brandon Phillips (37) Eric Sogard (32)

of course not, that's dumb. I mean, should the Mets release Granderson? No. that's dumb. Maybe you want to phase him out, play other people, see what you have, but there's always room for guys that can hit and play and you don't just release them for the hell of it. The only way Reyes takes time from say T.J. Rivera (who's probably not good) is if he plays better than him, and then that's kinda what the Mets need, is the best player.

Mets Guy in Michigan wrote: I think a fair question is whether he'd accept it. Does he think he'd have a shot at a multi-year deal worth more with another team? Not sure what the market is like for second basemen this year. Gordon Beckham (30) Emmanuel Burriss (32) Chris Coghlan (32) Daniel Descalso (30) Stephen Drew (34) Johnny Giavotella (29) Grant Green (29) Kelly Johnson (35) Tyler Ladendorf (29) Jimmy Paredes (28) Steve Pearce (34) Eric Sogard (31) Ruben Tejada (27) Chase Utley (38) Neil Walker (31)

d'Kong76 wrote: cooby wrote: Apparently my daughter's cable company does not carry TBS I find that nearly impossible to fathom! Oh, I'm sure the cable company must carry it, it's just a bigger package.

seawolf17 wrote: If this is really the case, then I have a hard time with them giving him AFL at-bats. You're telling me there's NOBODY in the system who could use this level of competition? Come on. Probably not anybody with more than an imperceptible chance of making the majors. I'm not a minors junkie but I don't expect there's much to the AFL. It really just seems like a way to extend the minor league season in order to get guys reps that may have gotten hurt and things like that. If you want to go deeper into the conspiracy theory thing this could easily be more than just a Mets favor to Tebow's agent and could be a "help out MLB" thing to draw a few more reporters/press to Arizona.

Outside zone called strikes this postseason

Centerfield wrote: And I do agree that losses of key players can be balanced out by incremental increases in other positions, but if you lose Ces and Walker, you are running out of positions to upgrade, just to break even. hell, breaking even is never breaking even anyway since players don't play the same year to year. But just replacing Loney/Campbell's AB with Duda's, you've made up the difference between Cespedes and a decent LF. Likely beyond the difference between Cespedes and Conforto. And if you can add even 70 games worth of Wright's bat into the IF mix. The problem is mostly that you've got various options at a lot of places and it's a gambling game to see which ones are going to hit and which aren't and trying to spend money on bringing in guys that are going to replace the ones that aren't going to hit.

my pizza place. I gotta stop right?

obviously. He won't accept, there are too many teams that need 2B and not enough 2B to go around, which is exactly why you offer him, because even if he takes it, there is one less chip on the market but the same amount of teams and now you have one of the chips. Right now what's the worst case? that they keep him and he stays/gets hurt again and is useless? Could happen to anyone. You could ease him in and use Reyes at second too. I suspect the Mets expect him back, though it might be a negotiated deal. I suspect letting Herrera go means they weren't super worried about needing to fill the position.

https://twitter.com/MeeshFrack/status/786964694527598592 "Scream Queens on Fox had some actors dressed as some of our fav NYMets in a Halloween scene. S2Ep2."

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I think they stick with him, why not, but he's also about as tradeable as they come: Affordable reliability & versatility at a premium position where the team possesses some depth. IF Sandy were to decide that trade market could provide us what we needed now, or in July, he could really pay off. He was a guy I'd overlooked generally coming into last year, and I think most fans underestimated. Even fewer I think would have picked him to serve the role he did as a Veteran Leader(TM). It's all in the helmet removal. But yeah, in a way you could use Murphy's success as a selling point for Asdrubal and sell high. Reyes isn't great defensively but he's serviceable enough there, though I could see looking to emphasize defense up the middle too.

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Games between teams from Chicago and Los Angeles will get a lot more viewers than games played between teams from Cleveland and Toronto. I always wondered if this called for the opposite though. The large viewership for the big market teams will manage to be there at 4, and might also stick around at 8, especially if they already have to alter their routine for their own game (i.e., if you leave work early to get to a viewing party/bar, why not stick it out?) Unless they think there are so many non-team fans that'll tune in to the big markets versus the smaller ones. Like, are Mariners fans more likely to tune in to LA-CHI versus CLE-TOR?

It was almost all SLG and the numbers do suggest that it was plate discipline related. In that he stopped making as much contact with pitches out of the zone. He SWUNG more at pitches, both in and out, but he missed more of the pitches that would've probably led to him softly grounding out and as a result was able to get another pitch that might've been in the zone and when he did hit it, it went far, because it wasn't a pitch he was lunging for because he kept missing those, so more of the pitches he made contact with were pitches that were easier to drive. so yeah, sounds like it might be knee related. But Cabrera's career norms are fine for SS and maybe he makes a few more defensive plays with a healthy knee.

Zvon wrote: I've really liked Ramos, what I've seen of him vs. the Mets anyways. But from what I read here we might have just seen his peak. Lets make Tebow a catcher. against his religion.

EE career wRC+ 126. Duda wRC+ 122. Duda's a better 1B, if maybe not by that much. Seems a poor upgrade to seek.

d'Kong76 wrote: Once or twice a year I have to point out that balls and strikes are where the ball crosses or doesn't cross the plate. If an ump is calling pitches based on good framing or bad framing they are doing their job properly. I know my stance on this drives some crazy, but I have to vent it once and awhile. I feel compelled to point out again that it's demonstrably true that umpires are influenced by framing.

I kinda suspected he was still hurt and expect him to be fine in 2017. Also the "can't throw out runners" thing is overstated and he's a very good framer.

Centerfield wrote: I'm going to show my ignorance here, but why wouldn't Tebow go play for the CFL or for NFL Europe or something? I remember that's what football players used to do when I followed. Is there even an NFL Europe anymore? The commute for the SEC gig must be tougher. (I don't think there is an NFL Europe) and the CFL season is just about over.

Dude you're a "baseball player" not a medic, stand back.

Edgy MD wrote: Edgy MD wrote: I don't know what the future holds, but I'd've sent him out to coach first in Game 163. can't do that to Tom Goodwin! I actually meant to type Game 162. No, you're right, that would have been a dick move in a playoff game. yeah, 162 would've been fun. I was somewhat surprised the Mets decided to have the entire 40 man roster and 60 day DL dress on Wednesday. It felt a little too "Let's celebrate the season" and less "These are guys going to battle in our do or die contest" After they announced Duda I was squinting to see if that was indeed Wright and a 5 on the guy at the end.

Edgy MD wrote: I don't know what the future holds, but I'd've sent him out to coach first in Game 163. can't do that to Tom Goodwin!