Vic Sage

can somebody tell me where to find the 2008 contract status for each guy on the Mets 40-man roster?

phuck the phucking playoffs.

Phuck John Maine.

Phuck Wee Willie phucking Randolph.

Paul LoDuca can go phuck himself.

Phuck Conti. Phuck the coaching staff.

phuck tom glavine.

phuck Jose phucking Reyes.

i hat them too. but today i have enough hat for everybody.

those phillie phucks can kiss my phat white hiney.

Johnny Dickshot wrote: Sorry we had to be their victim, but I can't see how Met fan couldn't admire them for taking it to us as hard as they did and by doing with a team of self-developed guys and baling wire. Yeah we gave a lot to them, but they made up a ton of ground, and were no sure bet until the final day of the year. That's a pretty admirable opponent. So, hats off to the Phightins. I'll be in their corner for most of the postseason. Them or the Rockies. phuck them. and phuck you, too. and phuck me. and phuck everybody.

so, how about them Jets, huh?

thank you. thank you very much.

The Mets scored 6 runs last night. Whether they scored in the 1st or the 9th should be immaterial. putting up 6 runs should be enough for a major league pitching staff to get a win. That the pitchers couldn't make that stand up is on THEM, not the hitters.

="Johnny Dickshot"]="soupcan"]Um, fellas? The offense ain't the problem. Sure it is... in a way. Reyes is going as badly as he ever has in his career*, we seemingly can't stop making ill-advised baserunning dares**, we tend to have too many innings where we go down too easily***, we too often fail to execute the basics (get the guy over, score him from 2nd, etc etc) and as long as we know the pitching is a complete crapshoot we have to assume also that the O isn't good enough enough till we score 7 or 8 a night. *-Apparently he took xtra BP with Hojo prior to yesterday's 2HR performance... **-We damn near lost a third game in a month as the result of getting caught stealing 3rd with 2 outs. How is that offense that does that not a problem? ***-13, 9 and 11 pitch innings last night. no, the offense is NOT the problem, JD. Lets look at the stats during this slide The first 10 days of September, the Mets went 8-1, scoring 47 runs for an average of 5+ runs per game. On 9/11, El Duque got hurt while getting slammed by Atlanta 13-5, and the Mets have been in free fall since, going 5-10 during these last 2 weeks. The offense during that period, however, has continued to score, with 89 runs during this 15 game skid, for an average of just under 6 runs per game. So clearly, the difference between the 8-1 Mets of early september and the 5-10 Mets of the last 2 weeks is not about offense. The mets have scored 5 or more runs in 10 of the last 15 games. Even during the 10 losses, the Mets scored 49 runs, just a smidgen under 5 runs a game. Certainly, the O has failed in certain situations over this period, but blaming them, to even the slightest degree, for not scoring more than 6 runs a game seems really bizarre to me. Meanwhile, the defense has given up 113 runs over this period, nearly 7.5 runs a game. And you want to talk about Reyes?

Edgy DC wrote: I guess I'll take what I got. what choice do you have?

kill me. kill me now.

how dare you state the obvious?

i wouldn't have it be decided by a vote at all! let a committtee hash out a SABRmetric formula for both, so they're both objectively decided. Then, let the reporters continue to do the MVP voting, using whatever narrow, anecdotal, subjective, parochial criteria they wish to employ, so long as they do not create determinative criteria like "no pitchers" or "no DHs" or "from playoff teams only".

why would the press care about the best pitcher more than best hitter? its just that CYA has been around for 50 years and the Aaron is of recent origin. The award is of such a low profile that even industry professionals like Mets announcers don't know it exists and express longing for an award other than the MVP that would recognize great seasons by somebody other than those on playoff teams. If MLB were to hold a press conference and say that because sportswriters have not been voting in a way consistent with the spirit of the award, MLB will reformat the "hitter of the year" award for both leagues, and the CY, too, to take into consideration quantitative analysis, and that they will then clarify that the MVP is open to any hitter or pitcher and, while value will be determined subjectively, voters are prohibited from excluding players from consideration solely based on the performance of their teams. I think such a press conference would get much play in the media. But MLB will never do it. They like the vagueness, and the arguments, and don't give a $hit about the inherent inequities of their current system.

"Metsies....(clink, clink)... come out to playyyyy-ayyyy..." (clink, clink) "METsies! ....(clink, clink)... Come out to PLAYyyy-ayyyy!" (clink, clink) "METSIES!!....(clink, clink)... come out to PLAYYYYY-AYYYY!!" (clink, clink)

Edgy DC wrote: Correctly rewarding the outstanding batsman, or outstanding offensive player is what is needed. Creating a Player of the Year Award, and relegting MVP to include only hitters, would make it what it never was and never was meant to be, and reward the intransigence of those voters who tried to make it so. but i propose the opposite of your strawman proposal. I propose an appropriate award for best hitter, so MVP can go back to awarding best player (hitter or pitcher, winning team or not), as it was originally intended. When the MVP was created in 1911, Cobb and Shulte both won it while playing for 2nd place teams. So there was no limitation on the award, from its inception, to giving it only to players from playoff teams. And, until 1956, the award was appropriately given to both hitters and pitchers But since the creation of the cy young award in 1956, pitchers have been eligible for 2 awards for the same season of production, while hitters have been limited to one. That is inherently inequitable. the silver slugger doesn't address the issue because it gives 18 awards, arbitarily given by position, that might be ignoring many of the best hitters in each league, simply because there may be a hitter at their particular position that was better. To award a catcher over superior hitters at other positions, for example, doesn't really address the current underlying inequity. if Aaron and Ruth awards were promoted to the level of the cy young, that would be the answer, but so far that has not happened. And until it does, i continue my pointless little protest which takes the form only of being argumentative on the subject.

Willets Point wrote: I already know you have nothing but hate for the Mets and Reyes in particular. Previous reasoned arguments have done nothing to stop you from spraying angry shit around this forum. WP, just because JD doesn't have his head up his ass doesn't make him a hater. He's a fanatic, just like the rest of us, but he recognizes when a player and/or a team is playing like crap and says so. A fart doesn't become perfume just because it gets blasted out of a ass painted orange and blue.

"Metsies....(clink, clink)... come out to playyyyy-ayyyy..." (clink, clink) "METsies! ....(clink, clink)... Come out to PLAYyyy-ayyyy!" (clink, clink) "METSIES!!....(clink, clink)... come out to PLAYYYYY-AYYYY!" (clink, clink)

Edgy DC wrote: And I've long questioned how you can decry that sportswriters are construing the award more narrowly than its intent, when you insist on construing it more narrowly than its intent. i don't include pitchers in my personal consideration for the MVP because 1) when the MVP was created in 1911, there was no cy young award, so it was appropriate to consider both players and pitchers; 2) but pitchers have had a prestigious award that recognizes their accomplishment since 1956, and hitters don't, and 3) therefore, i exclude them from consideration as a protest against the fact of #2. Once hitting is separately acknowledged in the same way as pitching (and as you acknowlege, the Aaron award hardly accomplishes that), then I'd be happy to see the MVP go to anybody the writers felt deserving.