Ceetar wrote: Lefty Specialist wrote: Well, the problem is 2009-2014 and 2017 with an end date to be determined. 2009 and 2010 were the last ditch efforts to keep the last window open after the injuries started caving it in. they drafted deGrom in 2010 and fleeced the Giants for Wheeler in 2011. in 2011 they signed Nimmo. in 2012 they fleeced the Blue Jays for Syndergaard and d'Arnaud and drafted Plawecki. They extended the contract of their Hall of Fame caliber 3Bman. They signed Rosario They drafted Conforto in 2014. They extended Lagares. So really that period you're talking about IS the rebuild. They made the playoffs in 2015 and 2016, and were extremely injuried in 2017. They did a lot last offseason, despite it maybe not being exactly what some people think was best, to make this part of the 2015+ window and not the end of it. And it shouldn't be! Conforto, deGrom, Thor, Plawecki, Frazier, Rosario, Smith, Cespedes are all still here. they're all good pieces, and it's unlikely all the rest of them will suddenly be worthless. We're in the damn window, let's stop pretending they're not good enough just because we're in the middle of a rough patch. I think you could argue that drafting Nimmo was more of a fuck up, not a clever part of a rebuild. They passed on Jose Fernandez to draft a guy who didn't even play formal baseball in high school. Wheeler has worked well in our favor so far, but I wouldn't call it a fleecing. Good trade, though. I don't know that extending Lagares should be viewed as necessarily a positive move either. I think and hope Conforto will be a great pick. deGrom genius. Syndergaard = fleecing. We suck. Blow it up. #TrustTheProcess. Sell the Team NOW!!!!