Edgy DC wrote: Rizzuto was 16th on the list. He'd probably be 20th or so now (again, not counting Negro Leaguers), with Jeter having passed him, and probably Nomar Garciaparra and Omar Vizquel as well. OE: BB-Ref has them really close in WAR, with Garciaparra at 42.5, Vizquel at 42.3, and Rizzutto at 41.8. Hanley Ram�rez and Jos� Reyes each have 29.3 career WAR. Vern Stephens had a career WAR of 44.5 and led the AL in RBI three times as a shortstop (OK, he played in some hitters' parks, but still...). Bill James wrote a pretty passionate chapter in his Hall of Fame book arguing that Stephens was a better all-around shortstop than Rizzuto, so I'm surprised that he didn't make James' list. metsguyinmichigan wrote: Well, it shows that the Mets weren't exactly getting a bum. The trade looks horrible now because we know what Ryan became -- and how Fregosi fell apart. But he was a damn good player for a while. Yeah, this. Fregosi put up some great numbers before injuries/lack of motivation/etc. took its toll. Sort of an Andruw Jones of the Nixon era.