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Edgy MD wrote: I have no problem crediting him with 24 All-Star games. Among other things, it matches the number on his back. When I am commissioner, there will be three mid-season All-Star Games, as part of Baseball Week. Yeah, I'm just providing empirical evidence that his 8 games started as the NL CF from 1959 through 1961 are a legit 8 by the way the rosters were managed, both in selections, and in-game by the managers. You don't lose 4-games because you were under the belief that the same players were on both teams, and you assumed everyone played in each game!

Okay, a little bit of time now to hit up the DNPs of the 4-year 2-game run 1959 I 13 (GEEZ Fred Haney used 17 of 25 available) Billy Pierce AL White Sox P Hoyt Wilhelm AL Orioles P Yogi Berra AL Yankees C Joe Cunningham NL Cardinals OF Vada Pinson NL Reds OF Frank Robinson NL Reds OF Bill White NL Cardinals OF Smoky Burgess NL Pirates C Hal Smith NL Cardinals C Gene Conley NL Phillies P Warren Spahn NL Braves P Wilmer Mizell NL Cardinals P (Injured) 1959 II 22 (Looks like the reverse happened with Stengel not using 13 guys at his disposal while Haney had 8 guys left on the bench or in the pen) Roy Sievers AL Senators 1B Bill Skowron AL Yankees 1B Bobby Richardson AL Yankees 2B Harmon Killebrew AL Senators 3B Gil McDougald AL Yankees SS Bob Allison AL Senators OF Harvey Kuenn AL Tigers OF Minnie Minoso AL Indians OF Elston Howard AL Yankees C Gus Triandos AL Orioles C Bud Daley AL Athletics P Pedro Ramos AL Senators P Ryne Duren AL Yankees P Camilo Pascual AL Senators P (Injured) Orlando Cepeda NL Giants 1B Bill Mazeroski NL Pirates 2B Johnny Logan NL Braves SS Bill White NL Cardinals OF Johnny Antonelli NL Giants P Lew Burdette NL Braves P Warren Spahn NL Braves P Don Elston NL Cubs P 1960 I 12 (okay, manageable, even by today's standards) Vic Power AL Indians 1B Whitey Ford AL Yankees P Camilo Pascual AL Senators P (Injured) Early Wynn AL White Sox P Gerry Staley AL White Sox P Dick Stigman AL Indians P Ed Bailey NL Reds C Larry Jackson NL Cardinals P Johnny Podres NL Dodgers P Stan Williams NL Dodgers P Bill Henry NL Reds P Lindy McDaniel NL Cardinals P 1960 II 14 (ugh, Al Lopez goes off the rails, but Walt Alston does his team right for the 6-0 win) Jim Gentile AL Orioles 1B Luis Aparicio AL White Sox SS Jim Lemon AL Senators OF Elston Howard AL Yankees C Bud Daley AL Athletics P Chuck Estrada AL Orioles P Bill Monbouquette AL Red Sox P Jim Coates AL Yankees P Dick Stigman AL Indians P Camilo Pascual AL Senators P (Injured) Bob Buhl NL Braves P Bob Friend NL Pirates P Mike McCormick NL Giants P Roy Face NL Pirates P 1961 I 7 Jim Perry AL Indians P Billy Pierce AL White Sox P Ryne Duren AL Angels P Eddie Kasko NL Reds SS John Roseboro NL Dodgers C Joey Jay NL Reds P Art Mahaffey NL Phillies P 1961 II 24 (After a modern day like use of the roster by both Paul Richards and Danny Murtaugh in the first game, THIS happens!? And this is the 1-1 tie after 9 innings due to rain game at Fenway) Yogi Berra AL Yankees C Jim Gentile AL Orioles 1B Bill Skowron AL Yankees 1B Nellie Fox AL White Sox 2B Harmon Killebrew AL Twins 3B Dick Howser AL Athletics SS Tony Kubek AL Yankees SS Jackie Brandt AL Orioles OF Tito Francona AL Indians OF Dick Donovan AL Senators P Whitey Ford AL Yankees P Ken McBride AL Angels P Luis Arroyo AL Yankees P Barry Latman AL Indians P Hoyt Wilhelm AL Orioles P Don Zimmer NL Cubs 2B Ken Boyer NL Cardinals 3B Frank Robinson NL Reds OF Ed Bailey NL Giants C Don Drysdale NL Dodgers P Joey Jay NL Reds P Mike McCormick NL Giants P Warren Spahn NL Braves P Roy Face NL Pirates P 1962 I 14 Tom Tresh AL Yankees SS Elston Howard AL Yankees C Hank Aguirre AL Tigers P Bill Monbouquette AL Red Sox P Dave Stenhouse AL Senators P Ralph Terry AL Yankees P Hoyt Wilhelm AL Orioles P (Injured) Richie Ashburn NL Mets OF (Pinch hits in the second game) John Roseboro NL Dodgers C Turk Farrell NL Astros P Bob Gibson NL Cardinals P Sandy Koufax NL Dodgers P Warren Spahn NL Braves P Hank Aaron NL Braves OF (Injured) 1962 II 14 Norm Siebern AL Athletics 1B Mickey Mantle AL Yankees OF Jim Landis AL White Sox OF John Romano AL Indians C Jim Bunning AL Tigers P Dick Donovan AL Indians P Jim Kaat AL Twins P Camilo Pascual AL Twins P Ralph Terry AL Yankees P Hoyt Wilhelm AL Orioles P Ken McBride AL Angels P (Injured) Jim Davenport NL Giants 3B Bob Purkey NL Reds P Warren Spahn NL Braves P

=roger_that post_id=192349 time=1747004266 user_id=128] I get a bit annoyed when I see him credited with 24 All Star teams over his career. Yeah, because they played 2 games per year from 1959 thru 1962 and gifted him in his two Mets years. The real number is 18, which is impressive enough.

=ashie62 post_id=193026 time=1747609425 user_id=90] So they are magazines now

Edgy MD wrote: For what it is worth, Alonso is not particularly analogous to Soto. Soto spent one year with the Yankees, and really, he probably gave them the best year of his career. The closest comparison is Mike Hampton: trade for one year of a star, performs well, performs well in playoffs for a team that makes the World Series, leaves afterwards. Soto of course did not feed some bullshit line about why he chose his new team… RIGHT! No idea why that slipped my mind in favor of Strawberry. Maybe the aspect of “one of the fanbase's most bitterest rivals” was what I was thinking about as well. Let's see…other Met postseason award winners…Clendenon finished with 61 games as a 1972 Cardinal…3 games at Shea…Al Weis finished his MLB service as a Met…Ray Knight's first time at Shea as an opponent wouldn't be until 1993, but on the field in 1994 as the Reds' 3B coach…we know about Hampton…So Murphy's return in 2016 with the Nationals would also be apt for a negative reaction.

Bob Alpacadaca wrote: Seeing all these stories about how the mouth breathing Yankee fans are gearing up to boo Soto, and I don't get it. Trying to think of a Mets comparison. If Pete had signed with the rival Braves or Phillies and was making his return to Citi Field, would Mets fans boo him upon his return? https://ca-times.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/46aee79/2147483647/strip/true/crop/2582x1964+0+0/resize/320x243!/quality/75/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcalifornia-times-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fea%2F78%2Fb6889d8f4bf5bea996309322c525%2F1481345-la-sp-world-series-dodgers-yankees-game4-ws1922a.jpg> I realize people who do stupid stuff like this are pretty much capable of anything. But I don't get the booing. Darryl Strawberry's LA Dodger return?

Frayed Knot wrote: Gary mentioned something about how this will not even come up for the next two+ years (Jan '28?). If accurate (and I'm not sure why that will be) it leaves a LOT of time for this problem to be discussed and analyzed. Hopefully, unlike in politics, it'll be a discussion that deals with the merits of the case rather than just superficial nonsense. They are no longer the BBWAA's concern, and are being kicked over to the Classic Baseball Era Committee [bLOCKQUOTE]UPCOMING ERA COMMITTEES ELECTIONS Contemporary Baseball Era/Player Ballot: December of 2025 for inclusion in the Class of 2026 Contemporary Baseball Era/Managers-Executives-Umpires Ballot: December of 2026 for inclusion in the Class of 2027 Classic Baseball Era: December of 2027 for inclusion in the Class of 2028 CLASSIC BASEBALL ERA (PRIOR TO 1980) Rules for Election for Managers, Umpires, Executives and Players for Classic Baseball Era Candidates to the National Baseball Hall of Fame Name: The Classic Baseball Committee ("The Committee") shall refer to the electorate that considers retired Major League Baseball players no longer eligible for election by the Baseball Writers' Association of America (BBWAA), along with managers, umpires and executives whose greatest contributions to the game were realized prior to 1980. Membership: The Classic Baseball Committee shall consist of 16 members, comprised of members of the National Baseball Hall of Fame, executives and veteran media members. The Chairman of the Board of Directors of the National Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum shall act as the non-voting Chairman of the Committee and the non-voting Secretary of the Committee. Method of Appointment: The Hall of Fame's Board of Directors shall appoint the Committee. Term – Each appointee is to serve for a renewable term, with the Committee scheduled to meet on a cycle of once every three years. Time and Place of Election – Beginning in 2024, an election for Classic Baseball Era candidates shall be held once every three years at the Major League Baseball Winter Meetings. A quorum will consist of three-fourths of the total membership of the Committee. Proxies are permitted in emergency situations only. In the absence of a quorum, a conference call with absent Committee members will be permitted.[/bLOCKQUOTE] https://baseballhall.org/hall-of-fame/election-rules/era-committeeshttps://baseballhall.org/hall-of-fame/election-rules/era-committees

FYI, Ebbs, both locations (outside Citi, around the corner of the RF Gate on Seaver Way, and Williamsburg) have been listed as “Temporarily Closed” on Google. They haven't updated their socials, DrinkEbbs on Instagram, since around the first of the the year. Walked by last night after the game and it obviously hadn't been opened all year, but no signage about the brewery's status is up.

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=192116 time=1746821063 user_id=68] =stevejrogers post_id=192100 time=1746809772 user_id=57] =ashie62 post_id=192092 time=1746808411 user_id=90] Who is that?

=roger_that post_id=192049 time=1746747016 user_id=128] Now, all-time Seaver killers include Rick Monday (11 HR, 1.247 OPS in 86 PA), Stargell (8 HR, .855 OPS in 140 PA), and Willie Davis (.998 OPS in 108 PA).

One of the names I was trying to remember re: Baty was that of Hank Sauer, who was not regarded by the Reds as a MLB hitter though they kept on giving him brief chances to show his stuff. Sauer became a regular at age 31, was swapped out to the Cubs, and hit a ton of HRs in his 30s, winning an MVP Award at age 35. Sometimes you've got to give a guy opportunities to hit when he's demonstrated an ability to hit in the minor leagues: Sauer had a .975 OPS at AAA (Syracuse, as it happens) at ages 28 and 29 before he cracked the MLB lineup. A name I know well - his number 9 is retired in Syracuse and there used to be a high end restaurant/lounge in the RF corner named after him (it's now the "Metropolitan Club" I believe). Who is that? Hank Sauer

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=191978 time=1746657630 user_id=68] =stevejrogers post_id=191703 time=1746450052 user_id=57] ... does this guy take a hint ...by his earnest constant updating on things that are only good for a chuckle once or twice until late August/early September, or the All-Star Break if historic achievements are legitimately on the line.

https://www.nr4ptproject.com/2129309/episodes/17102087-the-early-years-of-snl-s04e16-richard-benjamin-rickie-lee-jones-4-7-79 Podcast discusses Saturday Night Live episode that features the pre-tape of Chico Escuela trying to make a comeback with the Mets.

BTW, another interesting note for the whole 1969 “good, very lucky, or both” or even if they deserve a “One Year Wonder” tag, discussions. The 1968 Cubs were third in the NL with 84 wins, same record they'd have as they finished in second in the 1970 NL East race. They also had 87 in 1967, also good for third (oddly also behind the champion Cardinals and Giants). And 83 wins in 1971, tied with the Mets for third in the division. The case can be made that the Cubs in the middle of that hot stretch in ‘69 were way outperforming themselves, and fell back to slightly above their norms by the end of the year. They also could get tagged with a “One Year Wonder” label as well.

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=191750 time=1746478880 user_id=68] The 1969 Mets were very good and yes, very lucky, though it's probably sacrilegious to say that in these parts. But this isn't that surprising. To be extremely succesful, to win 100 regular season games and then two short series against very good teams, you have to be good and lucky. If the Mets and Orioles were to play each other exclusively in 1969, 162 times, the Mets don't win even half of the games played.

Is anyone going to start a thread titled "Derailed"? Later We still have a 2 and a half game lead in the divison, but we'd be behind the Padres and tied with the Giants in the WC race…Still in somewhat control 👀🙏🏻📿🤞🏻✊🏻🪵

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=191627 time=1746384988 user_id=68] =Marshmallowmilkshake post_id=191547 time=1746283800 user_id=119] I like these On Track posts. They're fun. Nice work.

https://www.amazon.com/1978-Baseball-America-Disco-Era/dp/1496239601https://www.amazon.com/1978-Baseball-America-Disco-Era/dp/1496239601 Greg shows up with a quip on Dave Kingman and the Mets' Midnight Massacre of the year prior.

=whippoorwill post_id=190183 time=1745174330 user_id=79] Why were they in New York?

Geez, next time someone picks me up as a long form article writer, they'd better get on my ass to edit the submissions for readability! Something I wrote over a decade ago on Met owned eateries https://mets360.com/?p=13379https://mets360.com/?p=13379

=Marshmallowmilkshake post_id=190155 time=1745165794 user_id=119] My wife and I went to Rusty's once. We were just married and it was a little pricy for us at the time. I was expecting more of a sports bar kind of thing and not fine dining. But it was really good.

https://marketplace.vts.com/building/575-fifth-avenue-new-york-nyhttps://marketplace.vts.com/building/575-fifth-avenue-new-york-ny Looks like the old Rusty's on 5th location is still available!

Did any of us ever patronize Rusty Staub's restaurant? I always meant to but didn't. Now I can't even remember where it was. Upper East Side somewhere? Sadly they both closed before I turned 21. For a while wasn't his name slapped on the beer and food concession stand hugging the RF corner of Shea's field concourse level? That was long gone by April of 1998 as well UES was 73rd and 3rd, (1271 3rd Ave) It's been https://ejsluncheonette.com/EJ's Luncheonette since 1992, in my next post…maybe, I'll see if it directly replaced Rusty's, but IIRC Rusty left that location a few years earlier. 1992 sounds right for when Rusty's on 5th did… Speaking of which… Rusty's on 5th, 5th (duh) and 47th, (575 5th Avenue) Recent Google Street View of the spot shows work on the former Guess clothing shop that hugged the corner, and a Starbucks. Oh, while I was doing that, I saw that the original Rusty's did shutter in 1991, so EJ's obviously must have gobbled up the space as soon as it was available. Not a clue, yet anyway about Guess' (no research puns intended) time in that address on 5th, and what's to become of that retail space.

Edgy MD wrote: If this doesn't turn into an all-purpose Boyhood Homes of the Mets or Places Mets Have Lived thread, I will be steeply disappointed. I'm more comfortable with it being a catch-all for businesses a Met employee had some involvement with, even if it's just licensing a name to. We are dealing with, for the most part, save for the commercial storefront on street level of apartments, private homes years and even decades removed from when the person(s) known to us resided there. A little bit more creepy, though granted less potentially pervy, than the Wifey-Watch threads.

No, I meant Shamsky and Darling. It was on Murray Street in lower Manhattan, a half block from City Hall Park. Edited to add: There's a reference to the address and the co-ownership on the Ultimate Mets Data Base: https://leaptoad.com/mets/profile.php?PlayerCode=0159&tabno=7https://leaptoad.com/mets/profile.php?PlayerCode=0159&tabno=7 dated December 28 2002. 17 Murray was what it was called when they owned a piece of it. Not Legends as that commenter said. There is a long running sports bar called Legends on 33rd near where the late Foley's was, But I don't know if any pro athletes are, or were attached to it. https://tribecacitizen.com/2022/06/06/the-dark-horse-will-close-this-friday/https://tribecacitizen.com/2022/06/06/the-dark-horse-will-close-this-friday/