stevejrogers

I still think there is a “little from column B” with zoned in hitters “noticing patterns” the third time up. No matter what the evidence shows? Here's a thought: how come no one claims any improvement at all the second time through the order? After seeing a pitcher's stuff once, batters improve not at all the second time, but there's a bump after seeing the stuff twice? Why should that be? I think you’ve been over thinking this in terms of looking for statistical patterns. The idiom just follows languages’, and baseball’s love of 3s. Hopefully you don’t try to prove/disprove the idiom about the defensive player securing the final out of a half inning, especially if it’s a nifty play, turning out to be the leadoff guy the next half inning of play! At least I just had to look up four years of roster changes and in-game player management of two games a year to prove Willie Mays’ four extra All-Star Game appearances from 1959-1962 were as legit as any of his appearances as a Giant during those two decades

There must be records of tens of thousands of games in which the starter pitched to at least 27 batters, thousands of which were low pitch-count games and thousands of which were high pitch-count games. That's a pretty significant sample size. The problem is accessing those records. I'm going on the premise that these two types of games would show a large difference in the effectiveness of each type of game. If it does, wouldn't you agree that "third time through the order" isn't really the problem, and that "high pitch-count" is? I still think there is a “little from column B” with zoned in hitters “noticing patterns” the third time up.

I’m still waiting for you to admit you are wrong about Willie Mays’ second ASG appearances from 1959-1962 “shouldn’t be acknowledged” in his all-time record of appearances Here, it’s hard to quantify because the variables include not only a potential tiring starter from additional pitches, but at least a few hitters that are so locked into considering things the pitcher did that got them, and their teammates out the first two times. Yeah a tipped pitch is one thing, but this goes beyond “noticing timing patterns” and such to get the mental edge. So it’s hard to really prove or disprove, and but just accepted due pretty much only pitchers tiring and batters noticing things.

Billy Taylor?

I have a feeling that That Seventies Guy was better known as a Phillie, but no actual name is coming to me. Other than Tugger, can’t think of former/future Met relievers from that era in Phillie history

The guy that always believed

Bruce Sutter. I remember this because Warner Wolf on ESPN NY radio gave as reasoning for Joba Chamberlain being inserted into the rotation right away when he eventually debuted was that to that point no one had gone into Cooperstown that wasn’t a starting pitcher “first” Obviously way to declarative to be true as how would he know how all of the dozens of HOF pitchers were used in their MLB debuts and first few appearances. But silly to use as a determining factor, even if it’s more of a “rarity” than “none at all,” to how a highly touted prospect should be used when they hit the majors. Anyway, that was before Bruce Sutter made that argument “moot” and all!

Speaking of the MFYs, the author spotlighted a whole dern bunch of them in the September chapter. Which ends with the debut of The Beverly Hillbillies, and a talk with the daughter of the owner of the home used as the exterior shots for the show… Still nothing on how the Dodgers and Giants were able to blow past the most recent two NL champs all year!

https://www.amazon.com/1962-Baseball-America-Time-JFK/dp/080329087X The Mets have their own chapter (June), but it’s more of an overall life thumbnail of various persons and players associated as opposed to what specifically occurred during the year. That’s kind of is why this a bit of a slog. Especially on stuff not tied to the world of baseball, like the rise of the space program. The author got it right a bit better in his book on 1978 baseball though. Put it this way, there is a lot more said in this book about the eventual 1970 NL Champion Reds due to 1962 no-hitter pitcher Bo Belinsky ending his big league days there (May’s chapter (no hitter was on May 5th) is all about his life and times) than there is to why the 1961 NL Champion Reds faltered in their attempt to repeat! I’m in the August chapter and no reference to the team that would finish third at 98-64 so far! I guess assumed that the Dodgers and Giants (who both got spotlighted with their own chapters similar to the Met one (April and July respectively)) just too much of a pair of steamrollers late as they were on that collision course towards the Play-In series.

https://www.nr4ptproject.com/2129309/episodes/17102087-the-early-years-of-snl-s04e16-richard-benjamin-rickie-lee-jones-4-7-79 Podcast discusses Saturday Night Live episode that features the pre-tape of Chico Escuela trying to make a comeback with the Mets.

Don’t feel like going down a rabbit hole to see if this is in fact evidence of a MLBS, but for some reason Keenan Thompson was sporting a Met uniform while in a Jack Black segment for his debut Saturday Night Live episode back in 2003. Saturday Night Network (@thesnlnetwork) • Instagram photo WWW.INSTAGRAM.COM 9,084 likes, 21 comments - thesnlnetwork on April 6, 2025: "2003: Jack Black is the SNL host for Kenan Thompson’s first episode 2025: 438 episodes later, Jack Black and Kenan Thompson are reunited".

Get ceetar working on the archives! Wanted to make an Untappd account for the pod, with checkins back dated to the date of the episode uploads!

Billy Wagner will be the latest ex-Met to get a number retired by a franchise that isn’t the Mets this August in Houston. Part of a weekend celebration for his Cooperstown induction, and I believe a yet to be announced Astro Hall of Fame 2025 Class.

I suspect an Astro. I was hoping that Sabathia would go in with Cleveland's logos, but he actually spent more time in the Bronx and I'm not sure he never wore a Cleveland cap with the C.

If he wasn’t a such a noted figure in baseball/NYC baseball history, I’d wager Bobby Valentine’s father-in-law’s passing would have been noted in the 2016 version of this thread!

KC Chief QB’s maternal Grandfather = Ex-99-00 Met reliever’s father-in-law.

Pat Mahomes’ father-in-law was admitted into hospice care https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/patrick-mahomes-grandfather-is-in-hospice-says-mom-randi-mahomes/

There is a story about that happening to David Wells the morning of his perfect game. But that could have been the massive hangover he was dealing with. Then again the story includes him and Jimmy Fallon just drinking the night away at Saturday Night Live’s season finale afterparty hours earlier. One problem, SNL’s finale that season, the 23rd, aired a week earlier, 5/9/1998, while Wells’ perfecto was on 5/17/1998. I supppse I could give the faulty narrator credit for the perfect game happening on a Sunday though In any event, obviously not in Koufax’s case when it comes to major inebriation the previous day, I think most of those stories come from distracted hurlers forgetting the plan, as well coaches/managers projecting the idea that rotations were meaningless, and they could have had the same guy start games in a row if they wanted to. So I’ve taken that notion about not telling a pitcher they were starting until that day, with a ton of salt grains