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Willets Point wrote: Do managers count, because Casey Stengel is a no-brainer then. That's the one! 1. Nolan Ryan, (Angels, Astros, Rangers) Edgy 2. Carlton Fisk, (Red Sox, White Sox) Willets Point 3. Frank Robinson, (Orioles, Reds, Indians) Steve Rogers 4. Reggie Jackson, (Athletics, Yankees) Steve Rogers 5. Casey Stengel, (Mets, Yankees) Willets Point 6. 7. 8. 9. 10. 11. 12. Speaking of which, might be adding a 13th when baseball returns to LA! https://dodgerblue.com/stan-kasten-dodgers-will-honor-hall-of-famer-gil-hodges-during-2022-season/2021/12/08/amp/ https://dodgerblue.com/stan-kasten-dodgers-will-honor-hall-of-famer-gil-hodges-during-2022-season/2021/12/08/amp/

Willets Point wrote: So was Fisk. *face palm* Same, kinda sort of with Ryan as an Angel with #30, and #34 with the Astros & Rangers.

Not sure if Reginald Martinez Jackson should technically count, since it's two different numbers

Frank Robinson is the other trifecta

No one has yet, emphasis on yet, taken down Doc as the second best Metly pitcher of all time. All-time of course is a much taller order with Seaver ranking among the all-time greats to ever toe the rubber! So I can get behind #16 getting officially mothballed, if this (more so Koosman than Hernandez) is the road the franchise is going down.

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1987-04-05-sp-505-story.html?_amp=true https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1987-04-05-sp-505-story.html?_amp=true From the time Gooden checked into rehab, April of 1987 [bLOCKQUOTE] “How could I have been a bad influence? I didn't see the guy off the field,” Mitchell said here Saturday. “I was just a rookie. I probably hung out more with Straw (outfielder Darryl Strawberry), and I wasn't around either guy off the field. That (accusation) is stupid.” An article in the Friday editions of Newsday, a New York-area newspaper, reported that several unnamed Met players suspected that Mitchell was traded because of his influence on Gooden[/bLOCKQUOTE] Okay, clearly “unnamed sources speculate” so further down the Google rabbit hole… A 2009 NY Daily News piece suggests Mitch is going the Reggie route in treating it as Gospel https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/mets-slugger-kevin-mitchell-fighting-good-fight-article-1.428143?outputType=amp https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/mets-slugger-kevin-mitchell-fighting-good-fight-article-1.428143?outputType=amp [bLOCKQUOTE] He still believes his exit from New York - as part of the December, 1986, trade for Kevin McReynolds about two months after Mitchell got a vital 10th-inning hit to keep the Game 6 rally going against Boston in the World Series - came because the Mets thought he was a bad influence on Gooden and Darryl Strawberry. "In New York, they used me as a scapegoat for them," Mitchell says. "I was the bad seed, they said. But those guys were already in the big leagues and I'm a rookie and I'm telling them what to do? There's no way."[/bLOCKQUOTE] FWIW, Davey Johnson in this 2016 chat with Snooze's John Harper reiterates the “Mitchell was suspected” tale, despite knowing that it couldn't be so, and was fighting to keep him on the team. https://www.pressreader.com/usa/new-york-daily-news/20160524/282230894931009https://www.pressreader.com/usa/new-york-daily-news/20160524/282230894931009

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I'm really surprised by the persistence of the narrative about how the Mets screwed up by not keeping Ray Knight. He had a mediocre year with Baltimore in 1987 and a terrible year with Detroit in 1988, and then he was done. Especially when I'd imagine Howard Johnson winds up in many of their conversations about the best third baseman in team history. A conversation that you'd get laughed out of if you bring Knight into it!

Kevin Mitchell for Kevin McReynolds is also up there in the ire of fans who bemoan the movement of “gritty utility grinders” in favor of boring and vanilla “mercenaries.” While McReynolds' comments about can't waiting for hunting/fishing season activities after a season ended, compounded with the future knowledge that Mitch was sent packing due to supposed influence on Doc and Straw, and both wound up continuing their off-field issues, probably are good points in their favor, it taking a move out of San Francisco for Mitchell to have a One Year Wonder career year, followed by settling into a steady and decent big league career probably suggests the McReynolds deal was better overall for the Mets.

=kcmets post_id=84398 time=1641942675 user_id=53] =MFS62 post_id=84396 time=1641939294 user_id=60]What would this site be called?

Was down a vintage Tonight Show rabbit hole over the weekend, and found this. [media=youtube]TW0_npkgG_M[/media] It's late in the clip, but Johnny brings up the future Met Phil Linz' harmonica incident. He manages to bring up a win streak the Mets were on as the MFYs were on a losing run, and takes a dig on how things took a turn since CBS bought the franchise. Oh boy Johnny, that was quite Carnsinio of you to predict the Horace Clarke years like that!

=Fman99 post_id=84282 time=1641769910 user_id=86] No (likely) cheaty Peteys on my list. If you're jabbing someone in the ass with something you best be doing so on an adult content web site. Prince Fielder David Ortiz Todd Helton Andruw Jones Jeff Kent Scott Rolen Omar Vizquel

Edgy MD wrote: For my money, The Bronx Zoo is still his master stroke. Maybe that it's just hard to go wrong with an contemporaneous insider account of such a distinctive subject in such a distinctive period. Granted it probably was just professional jealousy bluster, but I'm not sure how a TBZ as a follow up/sequel to TBIB can be done, while still doing justice to the fact that the book is Sparky's (who is not a character in the ESPN tele-movie) LOOGY/setup guy to Goose eye story. While the other was a broad narrative that focused on the larger than life figures of Reggie, Steinbrenner and Martin. I mean a Lyle centric/POV movie can be made, but if they were moving on the idea of striking while the iron was hot following that 1977 retrospective, it would be quite a let down for whomever studio supposedly Golenbock was in talks with.

=kcmets post_id=83551 time=1640273545 user_id=53] Isn't Golenbock the guy that wrote that 600+ page history of the Mets that got absolutely shredded because it was rife with inaccuracies and stuff? Asking for a friend.

Considering Showalter's upper body gear wearing habits, that might be one of the handful of times Showalter11 will be seen in Buck's own presence!

And now I'm wondering if Shiner renamed their Bock to Shiner Buck when sold in Arlington during Showalter's Ranger tenure 🤔

=Ceetar post_id=83446 time=1640108577 user_id=102] I"m hearing the folks of the Barley Prose Mets On Tap Podcast are going to be arguing about Buck and Really Dark Beer tonight.

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Good guess, Rogers But incorrect. Much more important to the Mets than Al Pedrique. Much. More guesses? Yeah, I guess Phillips was more important to Met history [CROSSOUT]than being moved for a decent hitting catcher with throwing yips![/CROSSOUT] OE: bringing Bill Almon back. Never mind Pedrique wasn't on the Lynchburg roster that year 🤷🏻‍♂️ OE: My late 1980s Met-Pirate transactions recall is clearly faulty…FWIW, the infielder in the haul going to Pittsburgh for Sasser, Randy Milligan, wasn't in Lynchburg that summer either.

=roger_that post_id=83143 time=1639657878 user_id=128] By the way, I looked up that 86 Lynchburg roster to remind myself who else was on that team besides Bibby. I remembered Gregg Jeffries playing in the game, but there was an obscure middle infielder who would be even more instrumental in Mets history on that team who I didn't realize until I looked up the roster this morning. Want to guess?

His son passed away the other day

=roger_that post_id=82734 time=1639075701 user_id=128] What's your point? Mine was that there is an exception to the Dodgers' HOF-only policy, so they could have retired Gil's if they'd wanted to. They didn't.

Edgy MD wrote: The Dodgers appear to have a policy of not retiring the number of non-Hall of Famers. Not really. They retired Jim Gilliam's 19. He never had a chance of election to the HOF. That was a memorial tribute number retirement, as the long time player/coach had passed away the year before. Very much like the Mets with Hodges, and Yankees with Munson and Elston Howard.

Frayed Knot wrote: I hadn't realized until just looking it up this very second (well not THIS very second but the second that was occurring just prior to me writing this) that Steve Garvey had spent as much time with the Padres as he did -- five seasons, three full ones, slightly more than 1/4 of his ML PAs (I would have guessed more like 10-15%) But that still doesn't change the fact that the Padres retiring his number but not the Dodgers is one of the more ridiculous things in uniform retirement ever and it just emphasizes SDP's role as little brother even though they probably thought that jumping on #6 before LA did put them closer to equal footing because they were able to "steal" one away from big brother. News Flash Pads ... it didn't. Interestingly, #6, at least in terms of players, was not assigned between when Garvey left and 2003. Since ‘03 it's been issued 12 times. Including Brent Mayne, Jerry Hairston, Curtis Granderson, Kenny Lofton, and last season's Trea Turner.

FWIW, the elections of Oliva, Hodges and Minoso means there are 53 honorees that have a team retired number associated with them that are not in the Baseball Hall; Diamondbacks Luis Gonzalez 20 Braves Dale Murphy 3 Red Sox Johnny Pesky 6, David Ortiz 34 White Sox Billy Pierce 19, Paul Konerko 14, Mark Buerhle 56 Reds Fred Hutchinson 1, Ted Kluszewski 18, Pete Rose 14 Indians/Guardians Mel Harder 18, Jacobs Field Sellout Streak from 1995-2001 455 Rockies Todd Helton 17 Tigers Willie Horton 23, Lou Whitaker 1 (sometime in 2022) Astros Jim Umbricht 32, Don Wilson 40, Jose Cruz 25, Mike Scott 33, Larry Dierker 49, Jimmy Wynn 24 Royals Dick Howser 10 Angels Gene Autry 26, Jimmie Reese 50, Jim Fregosi 11 Dodgers Jim Gilliam 19 Twins Kent Hrbek 14, Tom Kelly 10, Joe Mauer 7 Mets Jerry Koosman 36 MFYs Thurman Munson 15, Elston Howard 32, Roger Maris 9, Billy Martin 1, Don Mattingly 23, Ron Guidry 49, Bernie Williams 51, Jorge Posada 20, Andy Pettitte 46 Athletics Dave Stewart 34 (sometime in 2022) Phillies Dick Allen 15 Pirates Billy Meyer 1, Danny Murtaugh 40 Padres Steve Garvey 6, Randy Jones 35 Giants Barry Bonds 25, Will Clark 22 (sometime in 2022) Cardinals Ken Boyer 14, August Busch 85 Rays Don Zimmer 66 Rangers Johnny Oates 26, Adrian Beltre 29, Michael Young 10

https://thumbs.worthpoint.com/zoom/images1/1/0920/25/gil-hodges-dodgers-vintage-1990s_1_ad40f1c2043adbd27654c517d3bad12c.jpg> https://live.staticflickr.com/7204/7136971743_2bca90fe9a_c.jpg> Gil is the only repeater, which raises the question: does this mean that Scioscia's number 14 will also be retired when Gil's is? I still hold 1988 against Scioscia. Kiki Hernandez in 2020 was the last time #14 was issued. Considering the best catcher the Dodgers ever had was employed here at the time, probably just needed an LA representative to go along with Campy. I think Valenzuela's 34 is the only unofficially mothballed number for the Dodgers as it hasn't been issued since 1990.

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