stevejrogers

Hello Love! Lets start counting them down Kemosabe! (that would be a Ron Lundy and Dan Ingram reference respectivly)

="cooby"]And 20 years later, they still remember one guy's failing? Uh-huh. They make it sound way more personal than enjoying their team. But it wasn't just the one thing with Doc. Yeah if the test he failed and got suspended for was because of a first time "Hey what harm could it do" party thing (though that clearly wasn't the case) and it never happened again with Doc being clean and sober ever since then yeah, you have a point. But it was a constant thing with Doc, for the rest of his life he's been bottoming out, and bottoming out to the point where yeah, it does go way beyond enjoying their team when thinking about him. The Howes, Strawberrys, Goodens of the world become more and more a punchline with each bottoming out, I think that is also a part of the personal hatred as well. Granted should we really care if another team's fan innocently says "We got Johnny Bench, Pete Rose, Frank Robinson, who do you have, Ed Kranepool? Mookie Wilson?" No, we are secure as fans in who has been on the Mets, and can take it when a fan suggests "How can you root for So-and-So that (insert anything from rapist, to self-pleasuring imature jerk, to racist to druggie to drunk, to just a plain old creep, and so on)" But there is a breaking point, I don't know where it was for Elster or SK but there was one and they got sick of hearing that particular punchline about Dwight Gooden and got tired of defending him. Got tired of reading and hearing all the "Now he has his life back together" stories, got tired of the ensuing bottoming out again stories, ect. Again I know you never do conquer your demons. Vice will always be creeping back, sometimes when you least expect it, but I can completely understand someone detached from the situation saying "Fuck off, ruin your own life, I'm done with you"

cooby wrote: I would like you people to explain to me why a man who would choose seven months of incarceration rather than be a free man, because he can't trust himself not to use drugs, is a "personal thing" to some of you. Because he ruined YOUR Mets teams 20 years ago? News alert. They are MY Mets team too, and I've moved on. I suggest you do too. 1) He does not know you exist. He did not do it to hurt little old you. True, but to many fans they've come to consider the players who play for the teams they root for as part of a family to them. Sure its purely one way and all, but that connection is there. Which is why so many fans of a certain team will travel accross the country to a small lake side hamlet in Upstate, NY in the middle of the summer just to see their guy inducted into the Hall of Fame. All those San Diegoians next year for example, are going to travel from San Diego to Cooperstown to see Tony Gwynn. He probably doesn't know 99.99% of them that will be there the last weekend of July 2007, but they will be there because they feel an unbreakable bond with this player, I'm sure the great majority will have a "proud parent" like feeling if they can say they saw it all from Tony's debut in in 1982 till his final game in 2001. And that goes the same when a player you watched "grow up" as a member of your ballclub completely crash and burn as a human being off the field with whatever vice. It will break your heart, especially considering there is nothing you can actually ever do about it. And I can see Elster's and SK's points about not having an ounce of pity for Gooden because of how Doc had always seemed to have "turned a corner" only to hit a whole new level of rock bottom-ness And yes I know substance abuse is an ongoing battle, but if family members and friends of an addict (leaving Gooden aside) can have a breaking point where they can just give up and say "fuck you, ruin your own life I don't give a damn anymore" then why can't a fan of said player feel the same way (leaving the fact that he played as a MFY aside of course) and toss the person to the curb because he dissapointed him or her one too many times. ]2) Do you think he wants this life? 3) Do you have such hatred for all people who can't control their actions? I'm sure its tied into the detachment of the situation, but again there are plenty of times where addicts find yet another rock bottom to sink to and even friends and family turn away at that point. ]4) Would you rather he had just kept playing all those years ago and not sought help? Maybe then the Mets wouldn't have fallen out of glory. I'm not sure where you are going here. Gooden sought help, in 1987 and probably other times as well. It twas arm problems that eventually ended his career as both an star and finally a major leaguer, not substance abuse. You aren't suggesting that the Mets should have kept Gooden's problems underwraps are you? ]This 20 year old grudge people seem to have against Doc and Darryl for ruining THEIR lives (oh, come on) is a personal pet peeve of mine. I don't think thats what Elster and SK are going in their virtiol against Doc and Darryl. Yes what they did was ruin the chance for the Mets to have someone akin to a Sandy Koufax and a Ted Williams on their all-time roster, but I don't think anyone is blaming the failings of two Met players for anything but further enjoyment gotten out of their favorite baseball team.

Elster88 wrote: ="SteveJRogers"]Sadly unless there is a 2nd series in a row lost by the Mets, we will not see Mr. Seaver in this thread. Ah well... Oh for crying out loud. I thought "Ah well.." gave away my jocularity on the subject

Blyleven TIED! Bobby Mathews 297 Can not find another photo of the guy Tommy John 288 Bert Blyleven 287 Tom Glavine 287 Countdown to 300 T-13

Sadly unless there is a 2nd series in a row lost by the Mets, we will not see Mr. Seaver in this thread. Ah well...

]Yesterday, Mets president and co-owner Fred Wilpon unveiled a working model of that proposed new stadium, an Ebbets Field-like structure with a retractable roof. Wilpon hopes the new structure will be open for the 2002 season Quick math, 97 to 02 was about 5 years 06-10 4 years (well really 5 since the new plans started last year) I guess the Dome added an extra year to the project! ]The proposed stadium features a grass field that can be rolled completely out of the stadium in 15 minutes, ensuring the field will get the proper amount of sunlight when the roof is closed. The roof will be closed when the Mets are not playing to protect the stadium's structure. This is what they have in Arizona for the new Cardinals stadium. Wilpon with the forward thinking! Though, if parking is bad the next few years at Shea for the very open air stadium, I wouldn't want to know what the plan was back then! Pretty sure improvements on the team also quelched the ideas at the time as well. Okay, think of it this way, this was before Piazza. Piazza's last year the project ideas start getting greenlighted again and this time all the ducks are in rows and they'll start building later this year? Hmmm, quite X-Files-esque... I'll stick with the theory that it was tied up in City Hall and never did get off the ground, not due to lack of funds from the Mets, though the fact that SNY went through before the new plans were drafted does add to that "Nothing in this particular coffiers" argument. Of course, as I go into another tangent, whos to say the money allocated wasn't slashed and the project turned into what is now Keyspan Park in Coney Island and the current New Shea is a different project entirely Interesting stuff to think about.

You know, what does everyone think of a dome? I have a cranky 62 year old pop (and his friends) who think its a neccessity in New York because of all the different weather cilmates. Of course are there any dome baseball or football stadiums in the North East US?

Could be worse you know, from another board digging through some of Bryan Hoch's old archives found this from the winter of 1997: http://web.archive.org/web/19990422191550/icu.com/mets/articles/arti0070.html ]Mets future: High-tech Ebbets By Lawrence Rocca - April 24, 1997 NEW YORK -- While the Yankees continue to posture about a new stadium on the west side of Manhattan, the Mets have made finite plans for a new ballpark just a few hundred feet from Shea Stadium, their current home. Yesterday, Mets president and co-owner Fred Wilpon unveiled a working model of that proposed new stadium, an Ebbets Field-like structure with a retractable roof. Wilpon hopes the new structure will be open for the 2002 season. "I think this is one of the most fantastic stadiums that's ever been planned," said Wilpon, clearly pleased with himself and his son Jeff, who has headed the stadium project for the past two years. The proposed stadium features a grass field that can be rolled completely out of the stadium in 15 minutes, ensuring the field will get the proper amount of sunlight when the roof is closed. The roof will be closed when the Mets are not playing to protect the stadium's structure. "As you know, with some stadiums in the northeast, they start falling apart," Wilpon said. When the field is rolled out -- on a unique system of rollers that Wilpon has had patented -- a concrete surface that can accommodate concerts, tennis matches, basketball games and many other events will be exposed. Capacity for the yet-to-be-named ballpark will be 45,000 seats with 78 luxury boxes. Seating for other events could be expanded to as many as 60,000. The stadium will feature all sorts of modern amenities, said Wilpon, but it is clear that he considers its most important feature its similarity to Ebbets Field, where he often pitched batting practice as a youth in Brooklyn. There were several reminders of Ebbets Field at the news conference, including pictures, models and the new ballpark model itself. The outside design will include red brick and limestone, there will be a rotunda behind home plate and the seats will be close to the field. Wilpon boasted that many of the seats in the new stadium's upper deck will be closer to the field than mezzanine seats at Shea Stadium. "If anything feels like a park you can put your arms around, memories of Ebbets Field, that's what we did here," Wilpon said. The new ballpark will not include one Ebbets Field feature: columns that obstructed the view of spectators. "The sight lines for this stadium will be as good, if not better, than any structure that exists today," Wilpon said. National League president Leonard Coleman, who grew up a Dodgers fan and attended his first game at Ebbets Field in 1953, was on hand yesterday. He clearly admired the design of the new park, which for him evoked memories of Buckminster Fuller and the geodesic dome he designed for Walter O'Malley in hopes of keeping the Dodgers in Brooklyn in 1957. "I think this is it, 40 years later," Coleman said. "This is clearly a park for the new millennium." Wilpon said the total price tag for the ballpark will fall somewhere between $450 and $500 million and that some of the money will be raised by the Mets. He said that Shea Stadium either will be torn down when the new park is completed or remodeled for a potential NFL tenant. Though no one from Mayor Rudolph Giuliani's office was present, Wilpon said the mayor's office has been involved in the planning of the park and supports the steps the Mets have taken. If a deal with the city is reached within a few months, Wilpon said, construction can begin late in 1999 and the park will be ready for Opening Day 2002.

Zvon wrote: ="SteveJRogers"] True that assumes that the game will not go extra innings Lets hope in the very least it does. ="Johnny Dickshot"]HR derby participation hasn't seemed to affect Howard. I dont buy that HR derby stuff. Wrights just in a funk. Sign him NOW! Omar--get that over with too. That also applies to the latest MFY Abreu as well

The Chase is over True that assumes that the game will not go extra innings

The Chase is still looking to continue

Zvon wrote: Utley comes up--we all know whats going on here with him. I just love how this kid plays the game. Not just his hustle- his knowledge of the game. His intensity. His team attitude. And the way he just flew out lazily to left center. Utleys 0fer2. Oh nice to knock Mr. Brooks back to page 1 Ya Werwolf of London you!

The Chase is on

="Zvon"]="ScarletKnight41"]Warewolf - feel free to post for every batter. I'm at Busch Stadium - thr IGT is my alternative to scoreboard watching Busch?- wow-thats pretty kool. My problem is Im such a slow two finger typer I find myself always looking down at the keys. Mets tried to get something going here in the third frame as Woody slaps a one out single- But Milledge lines out wicked hard to right-Woody was running and it ends up an easy double play for the Phils. My Dad's like that as well. Heck, my Dad is so bad at remebering things with technology, I'll show him something, a month later he'll have to relearn it!

Hows the trip SK?

ScarletKnight41 wrote: Warewolf - feel free to post for every batter. I'm at Busch Stadium - thr IGT is my alternative to scoreboard watching The wonders of technologies. I might upgrade to a Treo or a Blackberry this winter. My Palm Pilot, well, stinks!

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Phillies Rollins SS Deliucci LF Utley 2B Howard 1B Rowand CF Victorino RF Lieberthal C Nunez 3B Wolf SP =orange]Mets Reyes SS Lo Duca C Beltran CF Delgado 1B Wright 3B Floyd LF Woodward 2B Milledge RF Hernandez SP

Elster88 wrote: ="Edgy DC"]Yeah, it seems strange, but I imagine living in a town with no team makes you a little more open to adopting a favorite team late in life when your city finally gets a big-league team. There were reports of Babe Ruth's daughter, retired in Arizona, rooting aggressively for the Diamnondbacks in 2001 World Series, over the team associated with her father's legacy. Might have been as much about the Yankees treating her father like shit as the nearness of the Snakes. Or just a general blase feeling about her father. This is Julia right, not Dorothy?

Vic Sage wrote: oh, i thought you were an alum, too. Luckily for you, your not, it seems. SteveJRogers Sr. went there also in the 1960's SteveJRogers Jr perfers Southern New England schools than Long Island schools...

One time I was in Shea's memorabillia office looking for a program with Edgardo Alfonzo on the cover, and as I was saying Edgardo's name I couldn't help but slip into a Bob Murphy style voice. Alot of names just sound right when they came out of his mouth.

]Now the pitch by Stanley...and a bouncing ball GETS BY BUCKNER! ROUNDING THIRD IS KNIGHT! THE METS WILL WIN THE BALL GAME, THE METS WIN! THEY WIN! ]He STRUCK HIM OUT! STRUCK HIM OUT! THE METS HAVE WON THE WORLD SERIES! And they are jamming and crowding all over Jesse Orosco, the dream has come true! The Mets have won it, Coming from behind to winnthe seventh ball game!