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It might be just the lighting, but it does appear Bailor is trying unsucessfully to fit in with his scruffy haired early 80's INF mates like Backman and Hernandez. Well it looks like a start anyway!

"How many roads must a man walk down..." Oh sorry wrong Baez...though many Met fans must have thought Joan would have made a better hitter! Traded for David Segui, but joins the ranks of the "Career Mets"

Opinion: Tom Seaver's politicing his way to a Game 6 start in the 1973 WS very well may have cost Yogi Berra his job Fact: Phil Mankowski was sports talk show host (and sleazebag) Sid Rosenberg's favorite Met growing up

Not sure what company, maybe Topps, and I really don't have time to start digging for it, but there is a 2003 card of Bacsik pitching in a 1986 throwback jersey. Seawolf (or anyone with that particular card), do you have that image more readily available than I do? (thanks in advance)

seawolf17 wrote: Am I the only person who just doesn't give a crap about the streak? Big whooping deal. That's only one piece of his legacy. I agree, its a part, but really, the man; -Is one of the few with 3,000 hits and 400 hrs, with a good many of them at SS which is traditionally a weak hitting position, he is still clinging to the All Time HR mark as a SS (ARod is one behind) though I'm sure he's a ways behind Honus Wagner in the hit parade -Speaking of which, he and Yount completely revolutionzed the way the SS is looked at. ARod and Jeter have professed their admiration of him, and he paved the way for the Nomars, and Tejadas of the world as well The problem with "The Streak" is that it really overshadowed the greatness of one Henry Louis Gehrig because of the urban legend about it's start (Wally Pipp) and the fact that ALS caused it's end, which in turn was the end of Gehrig's career, period.) and so by default it became this part of baseball's mythos that when it came time for Cal to break it, it became something greater than the sport!

="Sandgnat"]metsguyinmichigan wrote: he said he will never vote for someone on their first ballot because 11 writers didn't vote for Babe Ruth in 1936 and Cy Young wasn't even elected on his (the) first ballot and 48 people didn't vote for him in 1937 when he was enshrined. You can easilly pooh-pooh that by saying that first vote was so brand new, it was surprising ANYONE got as much as 90%. The Ruth thing goes back to the old Cobb-Ruth debate that really was a hot issue back in the day, so the older writers felt that Cobb's brand of ball was the better way of playing baseball and wanted THAT to be the standard that all others were judged. The BWAA were still just hammering out exactly WHO they should be honoring. I'm also going to suggest that since Matty and Big Train were just recent (comparativly speeking) that they were fresher in the minds of voters over who the best hurlers in the game's history were. Plus I doubt anyone was pulling out Cy's 511 wins as the ultimate argument settler back then. Could also be a good chunk of Young's work was done in the nebulous (at the time) 19th century which really wouldn't be explored for another 5 years or so. Yes Wagner and Lajoie played a decent amount in the 1890's as well, but a better case can be made that they were heads and shoulders better than many who came after, while Young you really can debate against the top pitchers of the following decades (Matthewson, Johnson, Alexander) Nymr83 Jan 09 2007 10:08 PM I don't think Young compares well to any of those guys. But to talk more about you're real point, I agree that the hall was new then and basing your vote now on what went on then is pretty foolish. As far as I'm concerned you should either vote for a guy or you shouldn't. The only reason for multiple years of eligibility is to prevent a guy from getting the shaft if he's on the ballot the same year as 3 or 4 "automatic" guys or to allow people more time to study him when they see he got 50% (for example) of the vote, this especially matters since I'm sure some of the voters are "old school" AL/NL guys who really don't know enough about players in the other league.

="Frayed Knot"]]And even worse -- 12 morons voted for Paul O'Neill! Or, as Yanqui fans would put it, 'ONLY twelve votes for Paulie'!!!! I once listened to an entire afternoon of talk radio listening to NYY fans talk about how Barry Bonds wasn't a fraction of the player O'Neill was. And that was before the steroid scandals began. I thought it was Bernie Williams? I have heard a comparasion of how O'Neill was a better, ummm, "gamer" based on O'Neill playing THE DAY HIS FATHER FREAKING DIES! And Barry took about a month off after the death of Bobby Bonds.

Some dude (not me or any CPF member) had a camera at Shea for the final apperance as a Met of Manny Aybar Note, the larger image of Aybar on the guy's site is quite blurry

]shut out (0 votes): Scott Brosius Wally Joyner Devon White Bobby Witt Joyner and Brosius now disprove my theory that there is at least one voter (and if I had a ballot I'd actually do this) feels that if you got yourself a legit piece of MLB hardware (ROY and WS MVP, and even GG counting White) you deserve a vote for HOF, even if its the only vote you are going to get.

KC wrote: Semantical? That's like the third word you've kinda made up this week. I'll give you my need for putting "al" at the end of semantics, but usually I'm misspelling an actual word.

Nymr83 wrote: ]glavine hasn't been a no.1 since 94. orlando was never a no.1 either was zito. One can plausibly argue that el duque was the best pitcher on the '99 Yankees. Zito was the best pitcher on the A's in 2002 and maybe 2005, I think Cleon was being semantical. Like Bob Ojeda was the best starter on the 86 Mets but Gooden was still the no. 1 ace of the team.

Willets Point wrote: I hope he ends up pitching his last game on a dull day when no announcer thinks to say "This could be Clemens last game." I like that logic! Didn't Ryan actually go out like that? Granted it was announced long before that it was the final season, and that game was his final game anyway, but the last pitch he threw...POP! So that should happen to Clemens in some game in KC in mid-July!

Edgy DC wrote: Fuck ESPN. Fuck E, fuck S, fuck P, and fuck N. And fuck the NFL. I think it's been said about 1000 times that the success of the NFL is not evidence that Major League Baseball is dying. Heh! Thats more of a point of how shabbly ESPN treats baseball more than anything to do with MLB dying. Another case in point, the HOF game in football has ALWAYS been televised, granted it's the kickoff (pun intended) of the preseason rather than a mid-season exhibition but still But as you said, or actually to steal a line from "Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back" Fuck ESPN, Fuck them them up their sweet asses!

Should also be pointed out that the coverage ESPN provides of the baseball hall and football hall are quite stark in contrast. These days the baseball Hall is on ESPN CLASSIC, not ESPN and you hear commentary over speeches and such so you only hear the inductees themselves However the Mothership, ESPN itself handles the Canton one a week later and you get EVERYTHING, the speeches, the speechs by those who are inducting them, and no cutting away to a setup of commentators talking.

Yet another example of the networks running baseball. Yes I know it's plenty of months in advance and all, but really, what if between the time it took for the original annoucement to today a family decided to splurge on a non-refundable trip to Cooperstown to see the Mets that Monday. Oh sure someone like me would still make the trip, visit the Hall and shops around Main Street in Cooperstown and MAYBE catch the game, but still. ESPN is being a quite dickish here

="soupcan"]="SteveJRogers"]...its only the Shea stores that are automotous. Does that mean they gouge you with both hands? Okay, whats the word I was going for? automatons?

KC wrote: If he's the guy that emails me every day to buy stuff .... well, I won't tell him to fuck off on his big day, I'll wait until tomorrow. Heh, I doubt it. The Shea stores and Met Clubhouse Shops are run seperately from the .com store, which is run through MLB. In fact the Met Clubhouse Shops might be run through MLB as well and its only the Shea stores that are automotous. You know what, maybe I should ask them during the spring!

http://www.stadiumpage.com/stpages/citi2.html Looks like the new place is coming along nice. Well for the first few months of the project anyway! I'm hoping before the spring comes to get down to Flushing and shoot some pics with my camera myself.

Very cool, nice to see MLB recongizes these peeps

Edgy DC wrote: Slow day. Best player at each position to get eliminated from Hall of Fame Consideration by the BBWAA after only one year on the ballot. WOW! I'm surprised about Santo. I guess the new Vets Committee completely abolished that rule about a certain cutoff (I think it was right around 20% or so) means you are not to be considered for the "back door" election

Even as back as 71 the Mets had some steady defensive INF units! Bob Aspromonte here joins 69ners Harrelson and Boswell. Interestingly enough, Aspromonte was on the 1956 Brooklyn Dodgers, and was the last former Brooklyn Dodger to be playing in MLB

Tucker Ashford's lone entry in Met Yearbookdom. What makes it interesting is that it is the Revised Edition of the 1983 book, and he and Mark Bradley replace the full page that the departed Neil Allen occupied in the First Edition of the book.

Called The Mets is a Good Thing: A Season of Hope, Despair, and Exhilaration by a fellow named Tim Marchman who works for the NY Sun OE: What am I Marty McFly over here? Geez...

This should be a good read: Mel Stottlemyre is coming out with an autobio (written with John Harper) this April

Edgy DC wrote: ="Nymr83"]its been 10 posts since Jeff Suppan was mentioned in the "Suppan" thread Very sorry for my five or so. Ditto here, should have spun it off in the Film Folder.