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="patona314"]his father killed us on a regular basis, and I mean KIILLED us. F the pirates. Mike Easler you mean Also a MFY and a bona fide "Hit Man" before Don Mattingly and Bret Hart made the nickname famous

ScarletKnight41 wrote: ]Anyone know of good shrinks in the Southern Westchester area? No, but I'll altruistically help you save yourself from your feelings of being unworthy by going to the Carribbean on your behalf HAHAHAHAHAHA! HAHAHAHAHA! That made my day! =

Uh Soupcan, I think I made need your analysis, see my dream from the front page, I had a like dream last night. Basically I'm in my old college town (Fairfield, CT) for some reason, and I had a guy cousin of mine with me and I go out bar hopping without him, so then I get a phone call from a high school friend who says he and a whole bunch of my old friends from HS (Scarsdale, NY) are up in Buffalo, NY (I really have no bloody clue how Buffalo got in there) and I'm trying to A) call my cousin to say we are going to Buffalo (I must say I've kept in better touch with a couple of my HS friends, more than my college ones) and try to get a cab to take me either to the hotel that me and my cousin are at or Buffalo, and actually I flagged a cab, the cabbie asked if I was a student, and the guy laughed at me when I said I was an alumni. And thats when I woke up, basically trying to tell someone that we are going somewhere. Whats more confounding, in RL yesterday I tried unethically to get out of going out of an all expenses paid Caribbiean trip thats booked in January, and now I'm pretty much forced into going (long story short, I was having a period of self loathing and I felt I was "unworthy" of the privleage of going with the company on this trip) Anyone know of good shrinks in the Southern Westchester area?

metirish wrote: Orestes Destrada is a great name,not to mention the fact that I have seen his name all over the place since this news broke..never heard of the guy before. From the "Why do these facts remain in my mind" department (if this is the same Destrada that we are talking about) -A Lefty hitting catcher with at least the MFYs during the late 80's -An original Marlin

Yup, it's now confirmed, I've been a member of the Mets Internet Community for a LOOOOOOOOOOOOONG time! Watched the "Fly By" virtual video on Mets.com and as they were passing by the singages on the outfield wall, I could have sworn the one that said LosMets.com said KCMets.com Cool vid BTW, nice to see the 25 jerseys outside the park and in the rotunda have been rendered No Name On Backs! Hey, lets get Bonds! J/K of course

Yancy Street Gang wrote: Are there ATM's at Shea? I've only been there a few times over the past several years, but I don't recall noticing any. They do have them at Citizens Bank Park in Philadelphia. And I'm sure Citi Field will have plenty of them too. I believe JP Morgan Chase (back when Seaver was hawking them) was in there first. For some reason I think Fleet/Bank of America was in there for a short time, and then Banco Popular this past year. No doubt Citi Bank ATMs for Citi Field, unless arrangements are made to let other entities in the facility. I mean, do they sell Pepsi products at Minute Maid (Coke) Park in Houston? Pepsi is a major MLB sponser and all. Anyone know if this is the case?

="Frayed Knot"]"... any other players wielding shovels other than Reyes and Wright? Or are they the only ones not recuperating from offseason surgery" No, but they were the only two with 'FACE OF FRANCHISE' stamped on their foreheads during an out-patient process that took place quietly last week. Both were slipped some extra under-the-table money in addition to their recent contracts in exchange for agreeing to the 'F-o-F' tatoo and to represent the players in all photo-ops for the next decade or two. Heh! Like this: So it looks like they are to be "forever linked" is what you are impling! =

Yancy Street Gang wrote: I think so. It would require a little coding, and I'd have to track down the dates for each manager, but it's something I can add to my mental to-do list. I think I may have included the hire and fire dates in that long year by year coaches posts a few weeks ago in the triva thread about Manny Acta.

Yancy Street Gang wrote: Don't forget Guillermo Mota. What a turnaround he had this year after he was traded. Of course, some will argue that it was our old friend "Change of Scenery" who fixed what was wrong with Mota. I think we now know what fixed Mota!

This is a funny website, has a Mets collection: Some funny comments about the annoying or non-so annoying aspects of various Met related people and things: David Wright Why he might be annoying He strikes out a lot. He makes too many fielding errors. He frequently visited former teammate Joe McEwing's home to eat his mother's home cooked meals. Why he might not be annoying He's one of baseball's best young hitters. He's considered a 'throwback' player. Ryne Sandburg referred to Wright as one of the few young players that will make baseball 'america's game' again. He makes some spectacular plays at third base. His plays have been featured on ESPN's 'web gems.' He won't be doing steroids any time soon, his father's a DEA agent. He grew up a Mets fan. Mr. Met Why he might be annoying He is possibly the gayest looking mascot in sports history. He looks like Homer, the Atlanta Braves mascot. Why he might not be annoying He got balls. He is rarely seen and rarely interacts with fans (he is a recluse). Eh, good time waster website.

Have we not learned anything from some of the flyers we've taken over the years? Mo Vaughn?

metirish wrote: ] We aren't the MFY who can absorb mistakes you know Sure the Mets can and have ,Howe,Cedano ,Bonilla...the list goes on, the Mets are not the Royals Steve... MFY absorb mistakes and still manage to win We have mistakes and it cost us dearly. All of the aforementioned cost us. The Yankees make mistakes, it doesn't really cost them in the long run because they can send them to Baltimore or Detroit or whatever. We get stuck, thats how we got into that particular mess after 2000

Elster88 wrote: Shit, I woulda taken him at 1 year, 3 mil. Eh, not sure if the reward would have been greater than the risk. Oh sure he could turn everything around and actually be Ryan/Clemens-esque, but the way things have been around here lately, do we need the probable headache when it turns out to be a disaster? We aren't the MFY who can absorb mistakes you know

For some reason I was just reminded of another form of this canonization, though from the opposite end of a person's spectrum, the end of his/her life. Harry Chapin gets lauded with "Greatest Guy Ever" type of praise, generally because of his work with World Hunger Year which is the charity of choice various radiothons and does alot of work, well all year round, but especially around this time of year. And I'm sure the fact that he died at age 38, rather tragically kind of creates a saintly bubble around his short life due I guess to people not wanting to know about what Chapin did or didn't do in his life, other than what he did for social issues, which is public record and public knowledge. I'm not saying anything either way, just that I've seen posts on a NYC Radio board where posters in essence writing as if Chapin was a saint were shot down saying that we don't know the whole life story of Harry Chapin, only from his music and works with charities, so it would be grossly unfair to judge him by any extreme without the proper facts. I guess that viewpoint should be used with all manner of people, ballplayers included.

http://www.sny.tv/news/article.jsp?ymd=20061111&content_id=1414541&oid=36018&vkey=9 ]11/11/2006 6:27 PM ET Former All-Star SS Kerr dead at 84 Longtime Mets special assistant passes away SportsTicker Buddy Kerr, an All-Star shortstop in the 1940s, died last Tuesday. He was 84. The New York Mets issued a statement on Saturday, announcing that Kerr died at Memorial Sloan-Kettering Hospital after a short illness. Kerr worked for the Mets from 1975-96 as a special assignment scout. "Buddy's loyalty and dedication to the Mets were unmatched," Mets owner Fred Wilpon said in a statement. "He was a true gentleman." Kerr played for the New York Giants and Boston Braves from 1943-51 and hit .249 in 1,067 games. He was named to the All-Star team in 1948. Kerr is survived by his wife, Kathleen, along with two sons and two daughters. Was the guy who had that errorless streak that Elster broke, hence that photo RIP

Yancy Street Gang wrote: I can't imagine that anyone would suggest that the pitcher's mound be named after Sandy Koufax. Well if you name the ballpark "Jackie Robinson" to honor a pioneer and to quell that opinion that shames you into doing it, I'm sure other groups would try to do the same. Like with the small movement to retire 21 in perpetuity in honor of Roberto Clemente the way 42 is for Jackie (I've also seen 3 for Ruth mentioned along the time the NHL retired 99 in perpetuity for Gretzky) I could see if they actually went along with naming the ballpark for Jackie Robinson, and if Koufax passed away (God forbid) that there would be a small movement suggesting that Koufax be memorialized in some fashion for the same reasons the Mets stuck Jackie's name on the ballpark. Maybe the mound would be a huge extreme, but there would be a movement to suggest naming something (maybe changing the stretch of Rosevelt Ave that Shea is on to Koufax Lane)

Nymr83 wrote: i was talking to the cynical post above mine, you seem to have the right attitude that its good for the team, who the heck cares what a building is called, i wish someone would pay me to name my house Whats more, you know that if the Mets actually went ahead and DID name it after Jackie Robinson, people would actually not stop there. Name the mound after Sandy Koufax, name the CF Wall after Willie Mays, ect I think though, alot of the "Mets ought to do right by Jackie" comes more from the Mets pre-Wilpon ties to the Dodgers/Giants rather than the fact that Wilpon was a Dodger fan, friend of Sandy Koufax and designed CitiField to echo Ebbetts. I mean look through old Yearbooks from the 60's and 70's, seems like the Mets OTG were yearly reunions of mostly old Dodger "Boys of Summer" era teams There was certaintly a time where the Mets thought of themselves as the caretaker of the Dodger-Giant legacy and I think thats where the nostalgic sentiment comes from rather than an anti-capitalism/pro-honoring a pioneer stance

="KC"]SJR: >>>why the Mets don't do the same.<<< I don't know who exactly wonders this, the short answer would be (to me) is that because the Mets aren't the Yankees and I don't want the Mets to be like, try to be like, or want their fans to want them to be like, the Yanks. I don't think the wonderment is about the Yankees per se, just a wonderment of why the Mets don't try to reach out the way other organizations (not just the Yanks) do to their past and thats where the perception that the Mets do not do a good job when it comes to ex-Mets comes from. I'd be content if the Mets just had a muesem to hold the HOF busts (or maybe create plaques instead) along with the WS trophies and a truck load of old memoriabillia and interactive stuff (BTW, Mets should give Yance and JD calls for some research for this project) the way the Braves, Reds and Cardinals do at their parks (Actually the Mets should do an NL NY Baseball muesem and leave only the AL crap to stay in the Bronx!) and not feel the need to trot out players like they did in the Payson years or the Yanks do (I think they might be the only ones to do a yearly thing BTW)

patona314 wrote: talks like a Yankee. Oh BTW, what does this even mean? Willie Randolph spent the better part of his entire career in the Bronx and despite being managed by both Billy Martin and Lou Piniella comes off sounding Torre-esque, in a way "Yankee Like" as you'd put it. Of course that doesn't make sense because Torre, last time I checked, started his soft spoken ways as manager of the Mets 30 years ago! Don't pin this on the Derek Jeter/Joe DiMaggio Athlete-speak that MFY homers say is how a Yankee should be. Thats been going on in the "Athlete as World-Wide Superstar" culture as long as Michael Jordan (last time I checked, never played for the Yankees) started perfecting that way of being back in the 90's, and continues with the Dereks and Tiger Woods of the world. Yes it harkens back to the cold and calculated way of the Joe McCarthy/Joe DiMaggio era (never mind that Lefty Gomez was on that squad and quite a comic) but more often than not that is not how a "Yankee Is" Babe Ruth? Mickey Mantle? Thurman Munson? Reggie Jackson? Billy Martin? Mickey Rivers? Sparky Lyle? Rich Gossage? Yogi Berra? Whitey Ford? Joe Pepitone? Not exactly softspoken, reserved "I'll give you ONLY what I want you to know, but with a little bit of class so you think I'm a press/fan-friendly guy" guys in that group and right down that pinstriped line. The Joe D's, Gehrigs, Mattinglys and Jeters of Yankeeville are actually few and far between. So this "talks like a Yankee" bit is a bit BS.

Frayed Knot wrote: I think there was a time when NYM mgmt didn't seem all that interested in fostering ties to their past. Recently they seem to be almost going overboard in making up for it. Half the '86-era team has been given some sort of job over the last few years. I was about to say that in response to Kase! I think the perception is more geared towards the bigger names in the organizations history, not the Kevin Morgans, Steve Phillips, Blaine Beattys, Randy Niemanns or even Tim Teufels of the world. The fact that there was a frosty relationship more times than not with #41 while the MFY trotted out a virtual HOF gallery every year at OTG (never mind of course the start of said lineup always has all kinds from Jake Gibbs to Kevin Mass returning year after year) and the local media always looks back fondly on the Boys of Summer era Dodgers and Giants as both franchises actually have their NY roots celebrated and trot out old Brooklyn and NY players, lead many to wonder why the Mets don't do the same. Or the argument is always, "Hey we have Joe D, Mick, Whitey and Yogi. The Mets have Ed Kranepool, Mookie Wilson, Jerry Koosman! History? What history?" and that might be part of why the Mets management has been hesitant to reach out as it would look, well, amatureish compared to the Bronx, or even the history the Knicks, and football Giants can provide (leaving the Jets, Rangers, Icelanders, Devils and Nets out of it for, either living on one shinning season, short era or too current (Sorry ABA fans) for a legacy to be built upon)

iramets wrote: i don't really see why orange juice is more offensive than beer: I think it's just that beer and venues go together (not just sports) and while you'd want your kids to go to sporting events the atmosphere is a grown-up place, and like it or not Tropicana and Minute Maid conjure up images of adolecences and pre-teen years. It be like naming a venue Disney (after the company, not the person) or Seasme Workshop (producers of Seasme Street) its more of something that is appropriate for a little league park or a community rec center, not a place for professional/collegitate athletics and such

Word FK! The biggest example fans use when they try to explain that "back in the old days the players were more loyal to the organization" is Jackie Robinson retiring rather than playing a single game for the Giants. FALSE, FALSE, FALSE! Essentailly Jackie was set to retire after the 1956 season anyway, and even doing so in a magazine article. The trade was made because the Dodgers wanted to pull a fast one on the Giants. Jackie would have been seen as a Roger Clemens type (retiring and then un-retiring) if he played for the Giants, not a traitor.

Opinion: Thankfully it was only one year for the Mets! Somehow the Pirates thought a Bi-Centennial Celebration meant it had to last ten years! Fact: The Mets, Yankees, Dodgers, Twins, Giants, and Red Sox have all made the postseason at least once per decade since the 1960's. Throw in the A's for since the 1970's

Opinion: Agee, Garrett and Dykstra all had Metly careers of distinction. Perez did not. Karma at work? Fact: The Mets appear to be running out of room on their pennant display out in RF

Opinion: Edgy seems to obtain alot of news about Mets and their minor league personell. A bit TOO much! = Fact: This past year was the 10th anniversary of the true start of the Internet Mets Community with the launch of Bryan Hoch's MetsOnline.net after finding a surprising lack of web presence on the Mets GenK trio of Isringhausen, Wilson and Pulsipher.