DocTee wrote: In addition to the HoF debate... when the M's retire #51, do they do so in honor of Ichiro, or the Big Unit? Johnson was there 8 full years and 2 partial ones, he won 4 CY Youngs in a row for the D-backs, only one witj Seattle, he had 2-4 "dominant" years in Seattle, i don't think that merits number retirement. i am probably alot stricter than most, i'd only retire a number if a guy's numbers for that team (not taking into account what he did before he came or after he left) by themselves make him at least worthy of serious hall of fame discussion if not entry. ichiro you cant retire after 7 years but once he's played out the 5 year deal he'll have spent 12 full seasons there as compared to randy's 8 + 2 halves. if you're retiring one or the other its certainly ichiro.