]I believe that everyone here (other than you) believes that Wins and Losses are significant measures of pitching ability. Overrated, to be sure, and overly simplistic in the minds of many primitive analysts, but still somewhat useful, especially in large enough samples, to measure approximate and general effectiveness i think Ws and Ls are the only meaningful measdure of a TEAM'S success/failure, but are close to WORTHLESS for an individual pitcher.