F*cking Stupid

[Centerfield]

So the Mets have known about Syndegaard's tightness all week. Although they hoped he might start, they knew he had this issue.

So, of course, they:

1. Sent down Gilmartin. The guy who can make a spot start
2. Don't mention this at all to Harvey, who works out heavy on Wednesday, then finds out at 10 a.m. Thursday that he will start the afternoon game.

How fucking dumb can this team be.

[Edgy MD]

I hadn't heard that story about Harvey. That's bad.

[metirish]

It boggles the mind, there seems to have been a communication breakdown , or it's just the Mets

[Guest cooby]

Okay, so blonds are delicate.

We have had a
1) blister
2) cut finger nail that hurts (whaa!) My grandkids get over that quicker
3) bicep that hurts

I thought he was a tough guy from Texas nicknamed Thor. Really losing my faith in him here. Don't even ask me about Harvey cos I never did think much of him

Times like this I miss my dad.

[bmfc1]

They treated Harvey like he was Sean Gilmartin. You don't do that to a young pitcher who is coming off major surgery. He's not the long man in the bullpen. Carlos Torres gets told at 10 AM "you're starting at 1", not Matt Harvey. Idiots.

[G-Fafif]

I'm pretty sure Glenn Sherlock waved Harvey into the gym.

[A Boy Named Seo]

What's the story on Harvey's heavy Wednesday workout? I mean if he didn't look hungover, we're not having this conversation.

[ashie62]

Harvey gets blown out Wednesday in bullpen and then starts.

Cespedes hobbles in BP and plays.

D-U-M-B everyones accusing me.

[Edgy MD]

That deserves an embed.

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[Frayed Knot]

Ashie62 wrote: Harvey gets blown out Wednesday in bullpen and then starts. Cespedes hobbles in BP and plays.

Do we have evidence that either of these occurred or are we just making shit up now?

[ashie62]

Per Matt Snyder CBS

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/how-the-mets-handle-injuries-deserves-to-be-questioned-with-cespedes-hitting-dl/

FK, don't use me as your punching bag, ok? Thanx

[Frayed Knot]

Harvey has apparently said he worked out hard in the weight room the day before but that's quite different than getting "blown out in the bullpen" as if he was intentionally abused by Terry and his coaches the day before a possible start.
This is the first I'm hearing about the Cespedes angle but I think the author of that linked piece is seeing what he wants to see in order to find evidence for his predetermined story.
He takes one swing -- which to me looks like Yeonis tweaking his hand on that one -- and he interprets it as him being 'practically unable to stand up'.


Look, I understand that it's easy to blame mostly faceless coaches and trainers and front office guys when the team suxx or get injured because it gives fans someone to kick around.
But injuries happen regardless of what you do and Harvey would be better just being quiet after a bad outing rather than blaming his weightlifting routine.

[ashie62]

Whatever

Edited April 29, 2017 by Guest

[Guest themetfairy]

Frayed Knot wrote: Harvey would be better just being quiet after a bad outing rather than blaming his weightlifting routine.

FWIW, Ronnie said the same thing during tonight's broadcast.

[Frayed Knot]

Ashie62 wrote: Whatever

I apologize for how I worded my earlier post, but I really was interested if there was evidence behind these accusations of if we the fans are just sometimes too eager to place blame where we want it to be.

[ashie62]

FK, I overreacted, losing streak blues lol.

Hindsight is ususally BS but Cespedes on the 10 day before the hammy would have been ideal.

LGM!!

[Centerfield]

Not doing the MRI. So fucking stupid.

[metirish]

Interesting to see the all too common Thor backlash on social media , he's caught up in believing his actually Thor etc. Have to say as noted,turning down the MRI and the team letting an employee turn it down is reckless

[Zvon]

cooby wrote: Okay, so blonds are delicate. We have had a 1) blister 2) cut finger nail that hurts (whaa!) My grandkids get over that quicker 3) bicep that hurts I thought he was a tough guy from Texas nicknamed Thor. Really losing my faith in him here. Don't even ask me about Harvey cos I never did think much of him Times like this I miss my dad.

He's always with you Cooby.

[Guest Rockin' Doc]

metirish wrote: Interesting to see the all too common Thor backlash on social media , he's caught up in believing his actually Thor etc. Have to say as noted,turning down the MRI and the team letting an employee turn it down is reckless

Refusing the MRI was pretty stupid on Noah's part, but management can not force him to undergo any medical procedure that he does not wish to consent to having done. The Mets managememt could have elected to put him on the 10 day DL once he refused the test, but without knowing the extent of his injury (or if he was truly injured at the time) it would have been nothing but guess work. I put this squarely on Syndergaard for recklessly choosing not to have a test (MRI) done to evaluate if he was injured and to what extent.

[Lefty Specialist]

Yes, I'm sure there are union rules about this stuff, and in most cases the player consents to the MRI anyway. This one's on Noah. The Mets could have argued with him (and especially with his agent), but like Sandy said, realistically they couldn't strap him down to get it done.

[metirish]

Definitely takes a shine of his hammer

[Lefty Specialist]

And he was cutting loose with 100 MPH fastballs. Sometimes you're not as strong and as smart as you think you are.....

[RealityChuck]

Rockin' Doc wrote: metirish wrote: Interesting to see the all too common Thor backlash on social media , he's caught up in believing his actually Thor etc. Have to say as noted,turning down the MRI and the team letting an employee turn it down is reckless Refusing the MRI was pretty stupid on Noah's part, but management can not force him to undergo any medical procedure that he does not wish to consent to having done. The Mets managememt could have elected to put him on the 10 day DL once he refused the test, but without knowing the extent of his injury (or if he was truly injured at the time) it would have been nothing but guess work. I put this squarely on Syndergaard for recklessly choosing not to have a test (MRI) done to evaluate if he was injured and to what extent.

Explain how an MRI of his arm would have found problems with his lat.

[Guest Rockin' Doc]

RealityChuck wrote: Rockin' Doc wrote: metirish wrote: Interesting to see the all too common Thor backlash on social media , he's caught up in believing his actually Thor etc. Have to say as noted,turning down the MRI and the team letting an employee turn it down is reckless Refusing the MRI was pretty stupid on Noah's part, but management can not force him to undergo any medical procedure that he does not wish to consent to having done. The Mets managememt could have elected to put him on the 10 day DL once he refused the test, but without knowing the extent of his injury (or if he was truly injured at the time) it would have been nothing but guess work. I put this squarely on Syndergaard for recklessly choosing not to have a test (MRI) done to evaluate if he was injured and to what extent. Explain how an MRI of his arm would have found problems with his lat.

I am not an MRI expert, but I have extensive training (though long ago) in human anatomy and physiology. I am assuming that if a pitcher was to have an MRI for a "dead arm" a proper examination would include all of the muscles and ligaments used in throwing a baseball. The latissimus dorsi muscle is one of the largest muscles in the body. It arises from the thoracic vertebrae, runs diagonally across the back over the lower portion of scapula (shoulder blade), travels along the side under the arm and attaches to the posterior aspect of the superior humerus bone of the upper arm. The latissimus dorsi muscle plays an active role in adduction (brings the arm toward the body), extending the arm, and rotation of the the arm at the shoulder. An MRI that would examine the muscles used in the throwing motion would certainly include the portion of the latissimus dorsi muscle that runs across the lower shoulder region and inserts onto the posterior aspect of the upper humerus bone. The proposed MRI very likely would not have included the portion of the latissimus dorsi as it originates in the mid-back region. After the pitch, Noah grabbed under his arm in the region where the "lat" muscle comes travels along the side of the ribs before inserting on the upper portion of the posterior humerus bone.

All that said, whether the MRI would have shown an injury to the "lat" muscle or not, I believe it was a very poor decision not to pursue any reasonable examination or procedure that could be used to evaluate a possible injury. No one will ever know whether (or not) a small tear existed prior to the more severe tear that occurred during yesterday’s game.

[Lefty Specialist]

Lucky or smart I dunno, but Tom House called this injury back in February.

http://www.northjersey.com/story/sports/columnists/bob-klapisch/2017/02/17/klapisch-pitching-expert-says-syndergaard-risk/98052410/

[Guest Rockin' Doc]

Wow, nice find. Tom House was considered rather unorthodox when he first started working with the Rangers pitching staff back in the 1980's. Being endorsed by Nolan Ryan however can do wonders for ones career and credibility.

Unfortunately, in this particular instance I hate that he was correct.

[Edgy MD]

Tom House is also Tim Tebow's coach.

[Frayed Knot]

House was also known -- aside from being the guy who caught Aaron's 715th in the Atlanta bullpen -- of taking massive amounts of steroids. "Anything we could get our hands on" was I believe the way he put it in various post-career admissions.
And back in those totally unregulated days when it was still the wild west of performance medicines, he and some of his teammates were taking stuff they wouldn't give to horses today.


Not that that alone makes what he says wrong; he's stayed in the pitching game after his career working with all kinds of professionals and amateurs.
On the other hand it's also true that after EVERY INJURY someone pipes up with an 'I told you so' (Mark Prior? ... Oh yeah, saw that one coming all along). Also if you predict that ANY pitcher is going to get hurt you've got a decent shot at being right.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

60 to 63%, I'll bet