F*cking Stupid

[Frayed Knot]

Yeah, the process on how he came up with "60% - 63% and mid-June" probably has a nice story behind it.



Let's do another scenario: Syndergaard does get the MRI on his bicep which, because his new injury isn't in his arm almost certainly shows nothing, and then he goes pulls his lat after 1 inning anyway at which point we're bitching at the incompetent medical staff for "missing" the injury as if we know for a fact that the scans had some pre-injury indicator just sitting there lit up like strobe light for all to see.
Pitchers (and non-pitchers) get hurt folks, and it's usually not preventable.

[Guest Rockin' Doc]

I believe an MRI may have shown a tear of the latissimus dorsi (if one existed) due to the the anatomy of the upper portion of the latissimus dorsi muscle and it's insertion to the superior aspect of the posterior humerus bone.

Whether an MRI would have shown an injury to the "lat" muscle or not, I believe it was a very poor decision not to pursue any reasonable examination or procedure that could be used to evaluate a possible injury. No one will ever know whether (or not) a small tear existed prior to the more severe tear that occurred during yesterday’s game.

[Edgy MD]

I know they call me Thor and I am too big to ignore
If you should gaze at me
If a chick walks in the bar, she quickly knows that I'm a star
And wants to leave with me
And if I feel a tweak, it's prob'ly doctors I should seek
If I've got a half a clue
But I screw it all to hell when I say something fucking stupid like "No, thank you"

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Rockin' Doc wrote: I believe an MRI may have shown a tear of the latissimus dorsi (if one existed) due to the the anatomy of the upper portion of the latissimus dorsi muscle and it's insertion to the superior aspect of the posterior humerus bone. Whether an MRI would have shown an injury to the "lat" muscle or not, I believe it was a very poor decision not to pursue any reasonable examination or procedure that could be used to evaluate a possible injury. No one will ever know whether (or not) a small tear existed prior to the more severe tear that occurred during yesterday’s game.

Yabbut, any pitchers insides are probably loaded with wear n tear. Why get it out there when you're the mighty Thor? I get why he didn't.

[RealityChuck]

Rockin' Doc wrote: Rockin' Doc wrote: metirish wrote: Interesting to see the all too common Thor backlash on social media , he's caught up in believing his actually Thor etc. Have to say as noted,turning down the MRI and the team letting an employee turn it down is reckless Refusing the MRI was pretty stupid on Noah's part, but management can not force him to undergo any medical procedure that he does not wish to consent to having done. The Mets managememt could have elected to put him on the 10 day DL once he refused the test, but without knowing the extent of his injury (or if he was truly injured at the time) it would have been nothing but guess work. I put this squarely on Syndergaard for recklessly choosing not to have a test (MRI) done to evaluate if he was injured and to what extent. Explain how an MRI of his arm would have found problems with his lat. I am not an MRI expert, but I have extensive training (though long ago) in human anatomy and physiology. I am assuming that if a pitcher was to have an MRI for a "dead arm" a proper examination would include all of the muscles and ligaments used in throwing a baseball. The latissimus dorsi muscle is one of the largest muscles in the body. It arises from the thoracic vertebrae, runs diagonally across the back over the lower portion of scapula (shoulder blade), travels along the side under the arm and attaches to the posterior aspect of the superior humerus bone of the upper arm. The latissimus dorsi muscle plays an active role in adduction (brings the arm toward the body), extending the arm, and rotation of the the arm at the shoulder. An MRI that would examine the muscles used in the throwing motion would certainly include the portion of the latissimus dorsi muscle that runs across the lower shoulder region and inserts onto the posterior aspect of the upper humerus bone. The proposed MRI very likely would not have included the portion of the latissimus dorsi as it originates in the mid-back region. After the pitch, Noah grabbed under his arm in the region where the "lat" muscle comes travels along the side of the ribs before inserting on the upper portion of the posterior humerus bone. All that said, whether the MRI would have shown an injury to the "lat" muscle or not, I believe it was a very poor decision not to pursue any reasonable examination or procedure that could be used to evaluate a possible injury. No one will ever know whether (or not) a small tear existed prior to the more severe tear that occurred during yesterday’s game.

Except that Thor never complained about an injury to his lat. So an MRI would probably not have shown anything wrong with that, especially since the doctors would be concentrating on his arm.

And nothing in the actual MRI report indicated there also was an injury to his arm (and you can bet they would have checked that this time).

So it's highly unlikely an MRI would have revealed anything wrong.

Occam's razor would indicate it was injured during the game. The most likely scenario would be that Thor's arm was a little sore (with no actual damage that would have appeared in the MRI) and in pitching with it, he messed up his motion and tore the muscle.

It's bad luck, but I can't see how the early MRI would have made any difference.

[Guest Rockin' Doc]

It is likely, that in this particular case, that the initial MRI which Thor declined would have turned up an injury. However, I still feel it is fool hardy to pass up diagnostic tests and procedures that can detect problems early on the basis of "I know my body".

Probably due to my profession, I view the "I'll know when I need to see a doctor" mentality with great cynicism. Last month, I had 2 different middle aged men who came to see me for their first ever eye exams. They both stated that they had worn "drugstore reading glasses" for several years, but felt their distance vision was starting to get worse. They were correct that their distance vision was getting worse, but unfortunately they both had long standing glaucoma that had caused significant damage to their optic nerves resulting in permanent vision loss. The sad part of all this is that is was all entirely preventable with a periodic examination to find and treat the problem. It is truly sad the number of similar cases I have dealt with over the course of my career.

[Guest Herb Gardner]

Zvon wrote: Okay, so blonds are delicate. We have had a 1) blister 2) cut finger nail that hurts (whaa!) My grandkids get over that quicker 3) bicep that hurts I thought he was a tough guy from Texas nicknamed Thor. Really losing my faith in him here. Don't even ask me about Harvey cos I never did think much of him Times like this I miss my dad. He's always with you Cooby.

He is