Hall of Fame ballot

[Edgy MD]

Only the second catcher (after Bench) elected on the first ballot.

Yogi Berra wtf?

[Guest Mets Guy in Michigan]

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[Guest Mets Guy in Michigan]

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[Guest Mets Guy in Michigan]

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[Lefty Specialist]

Good for Raines. And Pudge and Bagwell means that the logjam is breaking on Steroid Suspected but never Proven guys.

I think the ballot being public influenced a lot of voters. Vlad will get in next year, as he should.

[Frayed Knot]

I believe the total public ballot thing doesn't begin until next year - although certainly more and more writers are making theirs public and the interwebs help spread local ballots to a larger audience.



JEFF BAGWELL - 86.2
TIM RAINES - 86.0
IVAN RODRIGUEZ - 76.0
TREVOR HOFFMAN - 74.0
VLADIMIR GUERRERA - 71.7
EDGAR MARTINEZ - 58.6
ROGER CLEMENS - 54.1
BARRY BONDS - 53.8
MIKE MUSSINA - 51.8
CURT SCHILLING - 45.0
LEE SMITH - 34.2
MANNY RAMIREZ - 23.8
LARRY WALKER - 21.9
FRED McGRIFF - 21.7
JEFF KENT - 16.7
GARY SHEFFIELD - 13.3
BILL WAGNER - 10.2
SAMM SOSA - 8.6
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JORGE POSADA - 3.8
MAGGIO ORDONEZ - 0.7
EDGAR RENERIA - 0.5
JASON VARITEK - 0.5
TIM WAKEFIELD - 0.2
... and a whole bunch of zeroes: CASEY BLAKE (I have no memory of Casey Blake), PAT BURRELL, ORLANDO CABRERA, MIKE CAMERON, JD DREW, CARLOS GUILLEN, DERREK LEE, MELVIN MORA, ARTHUR RHODES,
FREDDY SANCHEZ, MATT STAIRS

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Casey Blake. Played for the Indians I wanna say, and Dodgers. Played outfield and third base. Had a beard. Wore No. 1. A kind of second rate leadoff guy.

[seawolf17]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Casey Blake. Played for the Indians I wanna say, and Dodgers. Played outfield and third base. Had a beard. Wore No. 1. A kind of second rate leadoff guy.

I don't remember him as a leadoff guy. Remember him more as a Ty Wigginton/Travis Fryman type. Corner infielder, had some pop, probably struck out and grounded into double plays a lot. How he got on the ballot and Fonzie didn't is a mystery, the more I think about it.

[MFS62]

seawolf17 wrote: How he got on the ballot and Fonzie didn't is a mystery, the more I think about it.

Fonzie played 12 years, the last was 2006.
He should have been on the ballot in 2011 (or 2012, I forget how they calculate the 5 year thingie).
Was he?

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[seawolf17]

MFS62 wrote: seawolf17 wrote: How he got on the ballot and Fonzie didn't is a mystery, the more I think about it. Fonzie played 12 years, the last was 2006. He should have been on the ballot in 2011 (or 2012, I forget how they calculate the 5 year thingie). Was he? Later

No. He never got consideration at all, which is so weird.

[Guest d'Kong76]

I mentioned Casey Blake in like the third post of this thread lol.

[Edgy MD]

Dawson, Sandberg, Murray, Puckett, Gwynn, Rice, Gossage, Alomar, Sutter, Perez ...

All are contemporary (at least somewhat contemporary) Hall-of-Famers that Tim Raines had a better career than. The list probably isn't finished, either.

[Gwreck]

Looks like Hoffman and Guerrero are set up for next year, and will go in with Thome and Larry Jones.

I do hope Edgar gets in by year 10.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

I feel like we'll be getting some pretty persistent MFY-fan bitching over the next decade or two about Posada getting the one-year/one-finger treatment.

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[Ceetar]

still no Bonds huh? then the Hall is still a poor representation of the best of baseball and I just don't care about it.

[MFS62]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: I feel like we'll be getting some pretty persistent MFY-fan bitching over the next decade or two about Posada getting the one-year/one-finger treatment.

And for the next decade or two I will be feeling Schadenfreude about Posada.
Too bad the votes for a lousy fielding shortstop and a pitcher who never threw a complete game will interrupt that euphoria.

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[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Ceetar wrote: still no Bonds huh? then the Hall is still a poor representation of the best of baseball and I just don't care about it.

Trending steadily upward, though, with another 9.5% jump. Next year in Generic White Squeeze Bottles and Clear Vials!

What bugs me, somewhat stupidly? Why there are still more Clemens votes thsn Bonds ones (if by a smaller margin this round). Is it lingering reporter grudges, with an unspoken garnish of blackness? If not, what makes someone give the guy with the slightly lesser record a pass on the morality/integrity-of-the-game stankpile?

[Ceetar]

Alan Robinson voted for Bonds, McGriff, Raines, and Pudge

[MFS62]

Bagwell is the first player from Connecticut to make it into the Hall since two guys who played in the 1800's made it. (Heard their names on tv this morning but don't remember them). He was born in Boston, but his family moved to CT when he was one year old. And, according to the local sports reporter, he was a better hockey and soccer player than a baseball player at Xavier High School in Midddletown.

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[Edgy MD]

Darren Rovell wanted Alan Zinger, and got Jeff Bagwell instead.

[Valadius]

David Schoenfield of ESPN.com takes a crack at predicting every induction class until 2045.

He has Thor getting inducted in 2044.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Valadius wrote: David Schoenfield of ESPN.com takes a crack at predicting every induction class until 2045. He has Thor getting inducted in 2044.

I'll be 81 years old!

[MFS62]

David Schoenfield of ESPN.com takes a crack at predicting every induction class until 2045. He has Thor getting inducted in 2044. I'll be 81 years old!

I'll be 101.

Here's an interesting take on how Raines finally got in on his 10th try. A good read.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/how-the-internet-helped-get-tim-raines-voted-into-the-hall-of-fame-041816589.html
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[Frayed Knot]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I had completely forgotten that Tim Raines was ever a Yankee. Even having been reminded of it, I still don't remember it at all.

Then you probably remember even less that Ivan Rodriguez was one as well. A trade deadline pickup in 2008, he wound up doing not much at all while getting less than 100 ABs over the final two
months as that year's MFY team missed the playoffs for the first time in 14 seasons.

All of which leaves us with the following questions: When are the number retiring ceremonies in the Bronx for Raines & Pudge and will they also get plaques?

[Edgy MD]

Shit, that enhanced Rodriguez' legacy with me. I wanted to retire his number in Flushing.

The fact that he continued to play for three more seasons as an adequate part-timer after giving the Yankees the worst two months of his life—that was gravy.

[G-Fafif]

Jeter taught them both how to win. Bagwell, too, presumably.

[Frayed Knot]

Edgy MD wrote: Shit, that enhanced Rodriguez' legacy with me. I wanted to retire his number in Flushing. The fact that he continued to play for three more seasons as an adequate part-timer after giving the Yankees the worst two months of his life—that was gravy.

So you're saying only Raines goes into C-Town with a Yanqui hat from this year's bunch?

[batmagadanleadoff]

The title tells you exactly what the Kenny Lofton-centric article (linked below) is about. There's even a John Olerud sighting in there, and some long overdue recognition (I know how sacrilegious this is gonna be to baseball fans of a certain generation) about how overrated Lou Brock is/was as a HOF'er.

Hall-Of-Fame Careers That Cooperstown Never Gave The Time Of Day

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/hall-of-fame-careers-that-cooperstown-never-gave-the-time-of-day/

[Edgy MD]

Yeah, I don't like the erase-the-guy-forever rule. Guys with 50% or more should return to the ballot the next year, guys with 30-49.9% should return in two, etc. So maybe five years later, voters would get a new chance to look at Lofton, or my favorite one-and-done snub, Lou Whitaker.

[MFS62]

Here's a guy I think deserved some HOF support. (I might have mentioned him before)
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/j/johnsbo01.shtml
His OPS+ of 139 and his career 55 OWAR should put him in the conversation. Unfortunately, he played in an era when voters looked at a .300 career BA as a requirement for serious HOF consideration.
I first noticed him when the late John Brittain of BP wrote about him. And he seems to compare very well with some of the players on the list in the article Edgy provided.

I'd like to see the Veterans Committee take another look at his career,
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