What's next for Harvey?

[Edgy MD]

What's next for Harvey? Well first, the models stop coming. I mean, you still get the models, but not the ones on the way up. You're starting to party with the ones on the way down. Then it's the ones whose career isn't really catching on at all, you know? You try and tell you it makes you a better person, but you're the same guy with less leverage and more denial.

You still have that core group of friends, but you're starting to realize that you're bankrolling them. I mean, you knew this all along, but now it's really starting to bother you, because you know not a one of them would be into your act without the free ride. And that's twice now that Spider has asked you if Thor wants to party with you guys. "Call Thor, Matt!" they say, "He seems like a cool dude! I love that guy!!." I got your Thor right here, Spider.

But Dimitri... he'll never stop calling. Not until he's soaked you for every ounce. Just once, I'd like to knock out every one of his ugly gold teeth.

At least I still got that Quallcomm money. That's guaranteed, right? Crap, I gotta call my agent.

[Zvon]

MFS62 wrote: His head might be fixed by a trip to the minors, but he's been pitching like his arm is destined for Soylent Green. Later

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"IT'S PITCHING ARMS! IT'S MADE OF PITCHING ARMS!!"

*sob*

[batmagadanleadoff]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: d'Kong76 wrote: Not meeting with the press is never a good thing, especially the NY press. A couple of wheels are already wobbly, this thing can crash at any time. Just read the Newsday account. They're ... upset that Harvey begged for this start only to choke and leave the clubhouse before answering for it.

Harvey didn't even stay to talk about Qualcomm.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

I get the feeling the Beaters will do anything Terry gives the OK to.

[Frayed Knot]

Y'know, I get all that. But the 'we've always known him to be this way it was only a matter of time till it showed' line of writing sounds awfully hollow when you're only trotting it out after he hits rock bottom. (at least we hope he has)

Kernan NYPost: It would be pathetic if it weren’t so predictable. This is who Harvey is, the ultimate front-runner, wanting everything his way when times are good and making the rules up as he goes along when they aren’t. His phony act hasn’t just worn thin, it’s worn out. The Mets are worried about his arm? They need to be worried about his heart.

If it was so predictable how come you didn't predict it? Or even hint at the idea that maybe this emperor was at least occasionally short of clothes even when not doing SI photo shoots?
Oh, I remember why. It's because you (meaning the whole pack of yous, not just Kernan specifically) were too busy slobbering over him while writing about how he was not just a singular talent but one uniquely suited to this time and place.

I don't mind them jumping on him, I'm just a bit put off by the 'now it can be revealed (even though I always knew so)' angle.
Now what would be really funny -- and by funny I mean totally absurd -- is if Francesa all of a sudden were to jump on this train as well after going from the guy who had barely heard of him to virtually claiming to have discovered him. Man, Mushnick, who dedicates maybe half his column space to calling big Mike out for claiming to have always known but only say so right after they occur, would have fodder to dine out on for months if that were to happen.

Edited May 25, 2016 by Guest

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Francessa's been all over the Hovvey angle this spring. Good thing most of us with radios will have the game on against him today.

[G-Fafif]

Matt Harvey has lost all confidence in himself. Not just as a pitcher; as a man. Inside that All-Star, there's a minor leaguer who needs to be cuddled and held just like the rest of us.

Actually, that's adapted from the Leslie Nielsen episode from the first season of M*A*S*H, when he played Colonel Buzz Brighton. But I keep thinking of those lines re Harvey, who's lately racked up twice as many casualties as any other regimental commander while only gaining half the ground.

[MFS62]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Francessa's been all over the Hovvey angle this spring. Good thing most of us with radios will have the game on against him today.

The best thing is that we can turn to another station when a game isn't on.

Later

[Lefty Specialist]

All I know is that the Tuesday start against the White Sox should be made by someone other than Matt Harvey. Rest, go to the minors and work on things, whatever. But this isn't working.

[Centerfield]

I thought Harvey actually looked better last night. Good life on his fastball, was mixing in his secondary pitches. Questionable throwing those changeups middle in to Zimmerman and Rendon though. Cripes. Throw that changeup low and away.

I think for him he's lost a bit on his fastball, and his slider is lacking the bite. That takes him from being an elite pitcher, to a vulnerable one. I think that's really messed up his confidence, and that's the reason he's made the drop from a vulnerable pitcher, to a terrible one.

I think the move is to DL him with a "dead arm". Let him get his head straight, rest his arm a bit. Hope that it cures him like it did Strassburg last year. Time his comeback with an Atlanta start and let him start building his confidence a bit.

I still think he's going to be fine. Once the weather warms up his fastball will come back, and everything builds off of that. I believe he will find some secondary pitch that will work for him.

It's strange. I thought I heard in spring training that his slider was back to being devastating.

[Centerfield]

Oh, and fuck these media guys who are piling on him right now. I get that Harvey is kinda douchey, but questioning a man's character because he's struggling is a dick move.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Carig reporting Hovvey meeting with Warthen, Collins and John Ricco NOW!!!!

[Benjamin Grimm]

Hopefully none of them are naked.

[Centerfield]

Y'know, I get all that. But the 'we've always known him to be this way it was only a matter of time till it showed' line of writing sounds awfully hollow when you're only trotting it out after he hits rock bottom. (at least we hope he has) Kernan NYPost: It would be pathetic if it weren’t so predictable. This is who Harvey is, the ultimate front-runner, wanting everything his way when times are good and making the rules up as he goes along when they aren’t. His phony act hasn’t just worn thin, it’s worn out. The Mets are worried about his arm? They need to be worried about his heart. If it was so predictable how come you didn't predict it? Or even hint at the idea that maybe this emperor was at least occasionally short of clothes even when not doing SI photo shoots? Oh, I remember why. It's because you (meaning the whole pack of yous, not just Kernan specifically) were too busy slobbering over him while writing about how he was not just a singular talent but one uniquely suited to this time and place. I don't mind them jumping on him, I'm just a bit put off by the 'now it can be revealed (even though I always knew so)' angle. Now what would be really funny -- and by funny I mean totally absurd -- is if Francesa all of a sudden were to jump on this train as well after going from the guy who had barely heard of him to virtually claiming to have discovered him. Man, Mushnick, who dedicates maybe half his column space to calling big Mike out for claiming to have always known but only say so right after they occur, would have fodder to dine out on for months if that were to happen.

This is actually Mike Vaccaro.

http://nypost.com/2016/05/24/silent-matt-harvey-confirms-hes-the-phony-mets-have-enabled/

You know what? Fuck you Mike Vaccaro. What exactly has Matt done to suggest he isn't taking responsibility? Or shouldering the load? His responsibility is to work on his craft and do what it takes to get better. Boo fucking hoo he didn't talk to the media.

And it's shocking to me that anyone from the Post can call anyone unprofessional. The same paper that ran juvenile stories, covers and headlines mocking the man's medical situation. A situation that might have been more serious than we know now.

Fuck you with a fucking streetlamp.

[Edgy MD]

Of course, by that time, Harvey already had bailed, already had left the ballpark, had refused to stand and be counted the way professionals do, the way athletes who want to be looked at as stars are required to. It was a terrible idea, one that any number of Mets officials — starting with Jeff Wilpon, who was here, and chief PR man David Newman, who was also here — should have anticipated and gotten out ahead of.

I think precedent suggests you can't force guys to answer questions if they don't want to. As for "stars," ask Steve Carlton, who spent half of his career shunning the media (and I think we were all better off for it).

[G-Fafif]

Harvey on turn for his next start despite evidence that perhaps he should be winging his way to PSL.

[Centerfield]

Seriously. I think Mike Vaccaro overestimates his role in defining a star player.

Not once have I ever said "Man, if only the Mets could get a dominant, flame-throwing ace that makes sure he talks to reporters after every game."

[Frayed Knot]

This is actually Mike Vaccaro. http://nypost.com/2016/05/24/silent-matt-harvey-confirms-hes-the-phony-mets-have-enabled/

Oh well, I hadn't had my morning vodka yet when I wrote that.

You know what? Fuck you Mike Vaccaro. What exactly has Matt done to suggest he isn't taking responsibility? Or shouldering the load? His responsibility is to work on his craft and do what it takes to get better. Boo fucking hoo he didn't talk to the media.

I get knocking Harvey for not being there while leaving his teammates to answer all the questions. It's bad form and, for a guy who covets the attention as much as he does, it leaves the impression that he'll bask in it when things are going well but then duck and run when they're not.
I just don't like the tactic of using this (as far as I know) lone incident as a jumping off point to say that this is the real Matt Harvey that you knew him to be all long but somehow neglected to mention EVER until just now.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

I didn't mean to start a writing-basher thing.

Given the Mets are having him start again, maybe the plan is to have the press punish him.

[Centerfield]

Exactly. I agree he should have stuck around. And you can even call him out on that. But like you said, to pretend that this is a character flaw that he knew about all along? Just infuriating.

Plus, I admit to still being irritated at the papers for what I felt was a really disrespectful display when dealing with a man's health. It's just mind-boggling to me that anyone who works for a company that uses the headline "URINE LUCK" has any grounds to question someone's professionalism.

[Benjamin Grimm]

I don't know what most fans think, but I really don't care if a player talks to the press all of the time, part of the time, or none of the time.

I remember when the Mets got Carlos Delgado, he came with the reputation of being a jerk. But it seemed like he was a great teammate, from what I could tell. His "reputation" came from a low tolerance for reporters, which should matter to nobody but reporters.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

This deal sounds a little like the Willie "Cowards in the Night" scandal, press felt betrayed by a story they were on breaking in a way they hadn't expected.

Me, I was down on Harvey before it was cool.

[TransMonk]

WHAT? So, he's going to make his next start? Crazy.

At least that one will be an ESPN holiday gay dame against the Chi Sox. It won't just be the local reporters getting to see him, it'll give the national outlets a front-row seat for the suck.

[Ceetar]

TransMonk wrote: WHAT? So, he's going to make his next start? Crazy. At least that one will be an ESPN holiday gay dame against the Chi Sox. It won't just be the local reporters getting to see him, it'll give the national outlets a front-row seat for the suck.

White Sox also aren't really a great hitting team, or a good one. That should help. Start after that is in giant Marlins park against the Marlins, so that should help too.

I don't care that he didn't stick around to say the exact same thing he said after the last game. Harvey's douchiness or whatever you want to call it doesn't bother me, and that's irrelevant to his success on the field. I don't expect people to change based on the results of the game and I don't agree that players that are winning should 'get away with it'.

[Guest d'Kong76]

Silent Knight is kinda funny. National disaster! Haha
I get the reactions -- yay, nay, don't care -- but not taking 5-10 minutes
to face the fire is easier in the long run. He has enough problems without
exacerbating them by creating another brush fire.
I have this dark cloud feeling this is all going to end very sadly.

[ashie62]

Harvey has been humbled athletically for the first time in his life.. EASE UP! Tabloids suck.

No Las Vegas.

I would leave him in or, repeat or, split a game with Colon.

[Ceetar]

The thing is, you know the media just wants him to go down to Vegas so he can come back so they can have some Dark Knight Rises references for later in the season. So transparent.

[TransMonk]

I want Harvey to go down because he is costing the team wins.

Give him a head to toe MRI to rule out any injury he may be hiding and then send him away for three starts in the minors. If he's not hurt, then it is in his head. Let him work with Viola. Let him get away from the media and the city and the team. I agree with letting him work it out, but not at the expense of more ML losses.

What is the definition of insanity again?

[Guest d'Kong76]

Ceetar wrote: The thing is, you know the media just wants him to go down to Vegas so he can come back so they can have some Dark Knight Rises references for later in the season. So transparent.

I disagree. You think they sit around in a conference room hoping that
Player A does this or Player B does that so in August they can use a head-
line that they've already conjured up? Dude, that's just mad!
They report (or distort) the news on an hourly basis nowadays. They don't
have a season-long plan for Harvey or even a team for that matter.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Maybe they just should have burned his stuff, after all.