Let's talk about Andrelton Simmons

[Benjamin Grimm]

Joel Sherman in the New York Post says that the Braves may trade Andrelton Simmons:

Braves make Andrelton Simmons available; should Mets get involved?

Joel Sherman wrote: I have been told that in early talks, they have asked for a huge return price on Simmons, but I do wonder if the Mets would at least entice further discussion if they started a package with Kevin Plawecki and well-regarded shortstop prospect Amed Rosario.

[Ceetar]

Supposedly the price is at least deGrom or Harvey so he's not _really_ available and is as worth talking about as like, Tulo last offseason.

[Benjamin Grimm]

The initial asking price may turn out to be higher than what Atlanta might eventually accept.

[Ceetar]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: The initial asking price may turn out to be higher than what Atlanta might eventually accept.

this is true of every single player in the majors though.

[MFS62]

If he's that good, why are they trading him? If they have someone in the minors who they think is better, why not go for that guy? The price might be cheaper, since that player hasn't proven himself in the majors yet.
And if they're going to get the inexperienced player, they might as well wait for Rosario, because reports indicate he'll be worth the wait.
Pass on Simmons, unless the asking price is less than reported.

Later

[Benjamin Grimm]

Ceetar wrote: Benjamin Grimm wrote: The initial asking price may turn out to be higher than what Atlanta might eventually accept. this is true of every single player in the majors though.

So then... nobody is "worth talking about"?

A forum that doesn't talk about things would quickly become as pointless as your initial reply.

[Benjamin Grimm]

MFS62 wrote: If he's that good, why are they trading him? If they have someone in the minors who they think is better, why not go for that guy? The price might be cheaper, since that player hasn't proven himself in the majors yet.

Why would the Braves have a lower asking price for the guy they want to keep than for the guy they want to trade?

[Ceetar]

Actually my initial reply pointed out what they're actually asking for.

i.e., he's not available.

There are a lot of players that ARE actually available. Supposedly the Mets and Mariners 'talked' about Juan Lagares. There's at least some value in peeking at the Mariners roster and theorizing trades if that's your bag. But today on the Internet there are going to be thousands upon thousands of words spent on Andrelton Simmons who's not actually being shopped.

I mean, pick a random team, pick a nice player on that team and ask yourself "Would they take Harvey for him?" And then we could talk about all those players too.

[Benjamin Grimm]

In the very first paragraph, it says, "the Braves have let clubs know they would be willing to discuss Andrelton Simmons".

That's different from picking a player at random and saying, "Would we be able to get Trout for Harvey."

And how do YOU know what they're actually asking for?

[nymr83]

I can't decide if Simmons is Ozzie Smith or Rey Ordonez, he's probably something in between, but do you really want that bat in a lineup that has greatly struggled at times to score runs? and at the cost of a legit prospect or two?

I'll stick to Flores and wait for Gavin Cecchini or Ahmed Rosario to be ready. Rosario looks to be years away with his bat, but Cechinni put up a .317/.377/.442 line at AA this year at only 21 years old. he is the future!

[Centerfield]

I think we can surmise that Simmons is available since the article states that the Braves have let clubs know that he is available.

And I don't see anything about wanting Harvey or deGrom. In fact, it suggests they are looking for young position players.

That being said, I'd pass. 5 years and 53 million is a huge commitment for a guy with an OPS in the mid to low .600's. And we already have an all-glove, no-hit SS in Tejada, though admittedly not as good with glove.

I'd use the money, and prospects, elsewhere.

[batmagadanleadoff]

BOCA RATON, Fla. � Mets officials inquired Thursday morning about the now available Andrelton Simmons and were told by their Braves counterparts that it would take Jake deGrom or Matt Harvey to land the shortstop, which instantly curtailed talks, The Post has learned.

read the rest at:
http://nypost.com/2015/11/12/braves-make-andrelton-simmons-available-should-mets-get-involved/

[TransMonk]

I believe the Mets just released their year end Top 10 prospect list and it had 4 shortstops in it:



I don't see any reason to stray from a Flores/Tejada combo until one of these guys is ready.

[Centerfield]

I swear that is a different article than the one I read 15 minutes ago.

If they are asking for one of the big 4, they should be laughed off.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Centerfield wrote: If they are asking for one of the big 4, they should be laughed off.

I agree. I don't blame them for asking, but the answer has to be no.

[Benjamin Grimm]

And yes, the lead paragraph changed after I initially posted the link:

Joel Sherman's revised paragraph wrote: Mets officials inquired Thursday morning about the now available Andrelton Simmons and were told by their Braves counterparts it would take Jacob deGrom or Matt Harvey to land the shortstop, which instantly curtailed talks, The Post has learned.

You see, I tried to be ethical and post a link instead of copying the article, and it just led to confusion. Next time I'll copy and paste instead.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Does this mean that the Braves think Noah's not as good as Jake or Matt?

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

I wish we as a forum could just discuss the guy without first deciding which papers are telling lies and which "rumors" are true, and apply some perspective.

Simmons would give us a great glove, but he hasn't progressed as a hitter the way the Braves hoped. He also doesn't do much as a basestealer. He's also one of those guys they signed for a long time (till 2020). So it's not likely other clubs would necessary agree to trade their deGroms for him. That'll drop the price, I would guess.

Are you interested now is the question?

[batmagadanleadoff]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: And yes, the lead paragraph changed after I initially posted the link: Joel Sherman's revised paragraph wrote: Mets officials inquired Thursday morning about the now available Andrelton Simmons and were told by their Braves counterparts it would take Jacob deGrom or Matt Harvey to land the shortstop, which instantly curtailed talks, The Post has learned. You see, I tried to be ethical and post a link instead of copying the article, and it just led to confusion. Next time I'll copy and paste instead.

Two sentences is fair use, no?

[Benjamin Grimm]

I guess so. And maybe I should have done that. But if these articles are going to continue to be revised, there's still a chance that confusion will result.

[Centerfield]

Yes. In one version they talked about asking for Plawecki. In the next, it was deGrom!

[batmagadanleadoff]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I guess so. And maybe I should have done that. But if these articles are going to continue to be revised, there's still a chance that confusion will result.

The article states that Mets officials inquired "Thursday morning" so it must be a very recent development.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Centerfield wrote: I think we can surmise that Simmons is available since the article states that the Braves have let clubs know that he is available. And I don't see anything about wanting Harvey or deGrom. In fact, it suggests they are looking for young position players. That being said, I'd pass. 5 years and 53 million is a huge commitment for a guy with an OPS in the mid to low .600's. And we already have an all-glove, no-hit SS in Tejada, though admittedly not as good with glove. I'd use the money, and prospects, elsewhere.

5 years/53 for his peak years is certainly NOT huge for a guy whose glove-- a la Peak Lagares-- makes him Murphy-plus in terms of value even in an offensive down year. In a year when he runs into a few/gets some batted-ball luck? Like 2013, he's close to MVP-caliber in terms of value. He's so good with the glove, it's like buying a Familia (and any other groundball pitcher on the roster) upgrade with your shortstop. And he's 26. The only reason they're moving him is because they know they can ask for and get a lot, and buy a little more ammo/time for the rebuild they're doing.

Anything short of our so-called Big Four should be open to discussion.

[Edgy MD]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Simmons would give us a great glove, but he hasn't progressed as a hitter the way the Braves hoped. He also doesn't do much as a basestealer. He's also one of those guys they signed for a long time (till 2020).

He's got a lot in common with Lagares, which might make a good starting place for a trade package.

I don't think that top 10 list above is published by the Mets, so much as MLB.com, but I tend to agree with the idea of sticking with what the team has while their assets are growing at that position. The problem, of course, with that attitude is that it butts up against the now-is-our-window-of-opportunity attitude.

I have little knowledge whatsoever of this Milton Ramos character. Definitely sounds more like a catcher. And beyond that, he sounds more like a Minnesota Twin.

[Centerfield]

I was going to write that Simmons was not worth his contract. That we'd be paying $53 million for a modern day Ordonez. But then I figured I should look up his stats.

Do you guys realize Rey's OPS as a Met? .594. Holy crap Rey was a bad hitter.

[HahnSolo]

So they asked for deGrom and settled on Erick Aybar.

They know how to drive a hard bargain, I tell you.

[A Boy Named Seo]

Yeah, so I guess he was available.

Simmons to the Angels for Aybar and 3 kiddos (2 pitchers and a catcher).

Those were Anaheim's top 2 pitchers apparently, so our equivalent of that is probably goes Flores + Matz and maybe more. I'm cool skipping that one.

[nymr83]

Glad we didn't bite. Good deal for the braves

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

This isn't going to help the Braves beat us any more often, at least not next year, I would think.

[Centerfield]

Trades like this show me that I have not a clue how to be a major league GM.

Clrarly I have no clue the value of Andrelton Simmons.