IGT - NLDS Game 2 - Mets at Dodgers, 10/10/15, 9:07 PM EDT

[Frayed Knot]

Torre in the midst of a news conference talking about the possibility of further action on the Utley slide, acknowledges that the lateness of it is in question.

[Elster88]

Torre and his lackey making no sense. They think they are, but they're not.

[Frayed Knot]

I dunno, only saw a few seconds of it.
But he's not going to commit to anything now. And anything he does won't have an effect on the game obviously, but it might on Utley.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Elster88 wrote: Torre and his lackey making no sense. They think they are, but they're not.

He's doing some great hemming and EXCELLENT hawing.

[Guest Mets � Willets Point]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Elster88 wrote: Torre and his lackey making no sense. They think they are, but they're not. He's doing some great hemming and EXCELLENT hawing.

Torre's the guy who found "I thought it was the ball" a sensible excuse.

[Centerfield]

Chase Utley just said his intent was to put a body on him. Should be a double play.

[Zvon]

This talk by Pedro...hey, players get hurt, careers end and all that shit. I hope that's not the case with Tejada but if it is, that shit happens, sorry.

Now they are talking about headhunting. I don't expect Utley to be thrown at. I don't see any point in that. Why they are even bringing that up is just shit stirring. But Utley better be careful making the pivot @2nd. Doesn't anyone know proper baseball etiquette anymore?!

[Frayed Knot]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I'm mad because a) Even though I understand "hardball" is a real thing and beloved by tough guys like Cal Ripken, and almost --but not -- OK on a weird play like that, the way the umps fucked us over *following* that cowardly shit illustrates everything *else* wrong with baseball Addison Reed.

a) agreed, and again it brings up the fiction that replay is some sort of benign fix-all that corrects the wrong while allowing the right to stand. Except that it sometimes makes things worse and folks are dreaming if they think they can have the good without the bad.

Not good obviously - even though some were screaming For him yesterday.

[Elster88]

One of the things Torre said was that since the ump called him out then Utley doesn't have to touch the bag, like we all guessed.

Then he followed it up with this gem: "If a fielder who happened to have the ball had tagged Utley as he jogged back to the dugout then he's out."

Now he may have misunderstood what his lackey tried to teach him, but the fact that he didn't see that that doesn't make sense is alarming. Not surprising, but alarming.

[Guest El Segundo Escupidor]

Justin Upton knows whats up....

If that was a superstar shortstop we would have a Tulo Rule being enforced tomorrow

[Centerfield]

So the baserunner is excused from touching second because he believes he was out.

According to Torre, the fielder, after Utley had been called out, could have tagged him, and he would have been out.

THIS IS FUCKING IDIOTIC.

CHASE UTLEY MADE NO ATTEMPT TO GO TO SECOND BASE. BY HIS OWN WORDS, HE WENT AFTER THE FIELDER. AFTER HAVING TAKEN OUT THE FIELDER HE LEFT THE FIELD, BECAUSE SECOND BASE WAS NOWHERE ON HIS MIND. THAT IS FUCKING INTERFERENCE AND HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN FUCKING OUT.

FUCK UTLEY. FUCK THE UMPS. AND FUCKING THE FUCKING DODGERS.

[Elster88]

@ShaneVictorino: Always called him one of my toughest teammates...Utley showing why I always called him a winner!!! #MLBPlayoffs

[G-Fafif]

That Marlon Anderson bullshit call here, from August 29, 2007.

Marlon Anderson's slide kept the Mets sliding. Anderson was called out for interference trying to break up a double play for the last out of the game, wiping out the tying run as the Mets lost to the Phillies, 3-2, last night. The loss was the Mets' fourth straight and third in this four-game series that wraps up today, allowing the Phillies to pull within three games of first place in the NL East. The Mets went down fighting - and arguing. Pinch-hitter Anderson's one-out single off Phillies closer Brett Myers pushed Endy Chavez, a pinch-runner for Paul Lo Duca, to third base. Shawn Green then grounded into a disputed, game-ending double play. Second base ump C.B. Bucknor ruled Anderson had gone out of the basepath to interfere with second baseman Tadahito Iguchi as he crossed the bag and prepared to throw to first. With Anderson's interlocked arms striking Iguchi in the hip, Iguchi's throw had no chance to get Green at first. Anderson and Willie Randolph argued to no avail, and the Mets lost another game off their lead.

Thing is Anderson was a lot closer to 2B (if I recall) than Utley was.

Also, fuck Utley.

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[Centerfield]

Utley came in high because he had to. If he slides regularly Tejada jumps over him and gets off the throw. Dirty and illegal.

Should have been 2.

[Guest Mets � Willets Point]

So I did fall asleep during this game, although I didn't realize how much I'd missed. I woke up to hear the Dodgers scoring lots of run. At the end of the inning I heard Howie say it was a controversial inning. "Huh?" I said. And then I was wide awake and spent the rest of the game trying to catch up on what happened. Crazy, nasty shit pulled by Utley, Mattingly, the umps, and the broadcasters who defended what happened (Ripken, I'm looking at you).

[Benjamin Grimm]

I'm surprised that the Mets didn't file a protest. (Or did they? It doesn't seem that they did.)

What I'd like to see happen is the play be ruled a double play and the game resumed from that point. And a magical instant healing potion applied to Ruben Tejada's leg.

But I'm afraid that both of the above are equally unlikely to happen.

[Frayed Knot]

A protest will just get dismissed as 'judgement' under the reasoning that Utley was close enough to touch the base (even though he didn't); that his slide hit ground about even with the base (and therefore wasn't past it); that replay shows Tejada didn't touch the base therefore negating the 'neighborhood' ruling.

That the replay ruling further fucked us was as predictable as it was horrifying. The one fatal flaw in all replay rules is the idea that you can pretend to set everything 'right' based on what would have happened had the correct ruling been made in the first place. But that doesn't work and so umps have to make flawed assumptions based on what they think might have happened. In this case it's that Utley would have gotten back to 2nd (from where he wound up in short LF) if properly called safe but that Tejada (or another Met) would NOT have tagged him before he could do so.



I suspect that Utley will be disciplined somehow - fines and/or suspension -- but that it will hardly matter in the larger scheme of things. It's even possible that that play was Utley's final one in the major leagues, not because he's going to be kicked out permanently but that he hit as badly for the Dodgers as he did as a Phillie and therefore might not get an offer next season. Plus the Dodger season is ending on Tuesday.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Frayed Knot wrote: Plus the Dodger season is ending on Tuesday.

I sure hope so! My current feeling is that this series will probably end in one of two ways: Mets in four or Dodgers in five. I don't think the Dodgers will win both games in Queens, but the Mets might. But if there's a split, it's Greinke again at Dodger Stadium for Game 5, and I suspect that the Dodgers would win that game.

[Zvon]

Frayed Knot wrote: Plus the Dodger season is ending on Tuesday.

This is all I want to hear. LETS GO METS!!!

[Edgy MD]

So we have any idea if the Dodgers are going with a four-man rotation or a threebie?

[Benjamin Grimm]

My impression is that it's three, but I don't know if Mattingly has said for certain. I'm assuming Kershaw in Game 4 and Greinke in Game 5.

[Benjamin Grimm]

MLB.com says "TBD vs. Matz" for Game 4.