Pick 25

[Edgy MD]

Pick 25 guys and build yourself a post-season roster.

The outline below isn't necessarily what I'm advocating (so please don't argue with the table), just a snapshot of sorta where things sit now, with the injury to Uribe giving Johnson a bit o' boost.

Some guys appear at more than one position group � starter and reliever, or infielder and outfielder � but the assumption in the table that the team goes with five starters (one being the emergency starter), seven relievers, two catchers, six infielders and five outfielders. Obviously you don't have to build your team that way and neither do the Mets. Pl

Anyhow, pretty cool that the Mets are holding 33 players that they'd like to carry. Gonna be some painful choices.

Position	Starting Pitchers	Relief Pitchers	Catchers	Infielders	Outfielders
Pretty Secure	deGrom Harvey Syndergaard Colon	Familia Clippard Reed Robles Torres	d'Arnaud Plawecki	Wright Duda Murphy Flores Tejada	Cespedes Granderson Conforto
Good Side Of The Bubble	=#FFFF00]Niese	=#FFFF00]Gilmartin Avarez		=#FFFF00]Johnson	=#FFFF00]Cuddyer Lagares
Bad Side Of The Bubble	=#FF8000]Matz	=#FF8000]Goeddell Verrett Matz Parnell	=#FF8000]Recker	=#FF8000]Uribe	=#FF8000]Johnson Nieuwenhuis Young
Only In Emergency	=#FF0000]Verrett Stauffer	=#FF0000]O'Flaherty Stauffer	=#FF0000]Monell =#BF8000].	=#FF0000]Campbell Herrera	=#FF0000]Campbell =#BF8000].

[Elster88]

I voted for Uribe assuming he'll be healthy.

[Gwreck]

Matz is a lock and not on the bubble.

I saw that Rubin suggested today that Niese could take the spot of Gilmartin in the bullpen.

[Elster88]

Keith said on the radio a couple of days ago that Matz would be the fourth starter.

[Edgy MD]

Edgy MD wrote: (so please don't argue with the table)

Jeez, guys.

[Gwreck]

I think calling it "a snapshot of sorta where things sit now" invites a response when it is clearly in error.

Anyway, I voted for my 25 choices. I like the idea of Niese in the bullpen, and I think Uribe will make it back for the NLDS. Last guy I left off was Carlos Torres.

I'm curious who voted for the Mets to not carry a backup catcher (or is that Goeddel's role?). I like aggressive strategy.

[Edgy MD]

Gwreck wrote: I think calling it "a snapshot of sorta where things sit now" invites a response when it is clearly in error.

Double Jeez.

[Gwreck]

Edgy MD wrote: Double Jeez.

Indeed. Right back 'atcha.

Let's Go Mets! National League East Champs!!!

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

I take Niuewy over Young and Goeddel over Torres, not that that's a biggie.

I'm thinking I must have inadvertently left off a starter or two because it was easier than I thought.

[Edgy MD]

Goeddel has gotten some support. Torres is in need of some work, I guess. He needs to prove he's healthy.

Surprisingly, Johnson has been named on all 11 ballots, topping Uribe (7 votes) decisively. Uribe may be the more inspiring player, but in the cold light of day, voters not only see the health issue, but the versatility Johnson brings, not to mention the left-handed stick off the bench, which'll come in handy, seeing as they are unlikely to find room for Nieuwenhuis. And frankly, he'd come in handy even if they can, seeing as he gives a team more contact and consistency.

Johnson is proof that every team could use two Daniel Murphys.

d'Arnaud has been named on 11 ballots and Plawecki 10, while neither Recker nor Monell have gotten a single vote. So one of you maniacs wants to head to the playoffs with single catcher.

[Elster88]

Edgy MD wrote: Edgy MD wrote: (so please don't argue with the table) Jeez, guys.

Not arguing! Just supplementing. I like the colors.

[Edgy MD]

There's some pretty solid consensus developing, based on the votes thus far.

The next thing to decide then is which of the six starting pitchers you're planning to carry gets held back in emergency duty/bumped to the pen.

STARTERS (6) Bartolo Colon 12 Jacob deGrom 12 Matt Harvey 12 Steven Matz 12 Noah Syndergaard 12 Jon Niese 9	NON-STARTERS (1) Tim Stauffer 0 . . . . .
RELIEVERS (5) Tyler Clippard 12 Jeurys Familia 12 Addison Reed 12 Hansel Robles 10 Erik Goeddel 7 .	RELIEVED (6) Sean Gilmartin 6 Logan Verrett 3 Carlos Torres 1 Bobby Parnell 1 Dario Alvarez 1 Eric O'Flaherty 0
CATCHERS (2) Travis d'Arnaud 12 Kevin Plawecki 11	BELLY-SCRATCHERS (2) Anthony Recker 0 Johnny Monell 0
INFIELDERS (7) David Wright 12 Lucas Duda 12 Daniel Murphy 12 Ruben Tejada 12 Kelly Johnson 12 Wilmer Flores 11 Juan Uribe 8	FUTILITY INFIELDERS (2) Eric Campbell 0 Dilson Herrera 0 . . . . .
OUTFIELDERS (5) Yoenis Cespedes 12 Curtis Granderson 12 Michael Conforto 12 Juan Lagares 12 Michael Cuddyer 11	LEFT-OUTFIELDERS (2) Kirk Nieuwenhuis 3 Eric Young, Jr. 0 . . .

[Elster88]

Edgy MD wrote: There's some pretty solid consensus developing, based on the votes thus far. The next thing to decide then is which of the six starting pitchers you're planning to carry gets bumped to the pen.

I have a thread for that.

http://www.cranepoolforum.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=23345

[Edgy MD]

Looks like the voters refuse to make the hard choice between Uribe and Johnson (and Lagares and Cuddyer), and instead decide to brave it with an 11-man staff, including only five experienced relievers.

[Benjamin Grimm]

In the Postseason Musings thread, I said that I wanted an 11-man pitching staff and the following roster: DeGrom, Harvey, Syndergaard, Matz, Familia, Clippard, Reed, Robles, Colon, Niese, Goeddel, d'Arnaud, Plawecki, Duda, Murphy, Johnson, Flores, Tejada, Uribe, Wright, Cespedes, Conforto, Granderson, Lagares, Cuddyer.

If there's a 12th pitcher, I'd add Verrett and probably give him Uribe's spot, now that Juan is questionable.

If it's' still 11 pitchers, and Uribe can't play, then I'd make the bench a little more left-handed and select Nieuwenhuis.

I know we're not supposed to disagree with the all-knowing chart, but I'm with Gwreck. Everything I've heard and read indicates that Matz is expected to be on the postseason roster and in the rotation as the fourth starter.

[bmfc1]

I voted Young, based on Gelbs report and Gary's comment. No if Uribe is healthy but I think that Terry wants the option.

[MFS62]

Who didn't vote for Wilmer? 'Splain please, Lucie. Who else would play short in a crucial series?

Later

[Lefty Specialist]

I voted for young. I like having a guy like that when you're down a run in the 8th and a slow guy gets a leadoff single.

[Gwreck]

MFS62 wrote: Who didn't vote for Wilmer? 'Splain please, Lucie. Who else would play short in a crucial series?

There have been 16 voters but only 396 total votes. Somewhere between 1 and 4 people thought the Mets should be playing the series with fewer than 25 players.

[Benjamin Grimm]

That's probably not the best idea.

Although the Mets did get through the entire 1986 postseason only using 22 players.

[Vic Sage]

Gilmartin over Goeddel - can't have Niese as the only LHP in the pen; and
Nieuhenheis over Uribe - LHed bat off the bench and Uribe too banged up
Matz over Torres - i'm not sure why this is even a thing

[Guest d'Kong76]

O'Flaherty getting 0'Love...

[A Boy Named Seo]

bmfc1 wrote: I voted Young, based on Gelbs report and Gary's comment. No if Uribe is healthy but I think that Terry wants the option.

I might be inclined to do the same. Think were will at least 1 time late in a game, we'll wish we had a Dave Roberts in the dugout to pinch run and swipe second.

[Zvon]

I picked Recker over Plawecki only because I'm sure Reck has a HUGE home run in him that he hasn't hit yet.

[Zvon]

I may want to rethink that.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Recker is very definitely below Plawecki on the depth chart.

[Edgy MD]

Gilmartin pulling into a late tie with Goeddel. It's good to be a lefty.

Battles among the relievers on the bubble may be some of the biggest drama of the remaining games.

This is really interesting. I can't remember ever having to worry about leaving more than one effective weapon behind. The Mets could be leaving six.

STARTERS (6) Jacob deGrom 19 Matt Harvey 19 Steven Matz 19 Noah Syndergaard 19 Bartolo Colon 18 Jon Niese 15	NON-STARTERS (1) Tim Stauffer 0 . . . . .
RELIEVERS (5) Tyler Clippard 19 Jeurys Familia 19 Addison Reed 18 Hansel Robles 17 =#FF0000]Erik Goeddel 9 .	RELIEVED (6) =#FF0000]Sean Gilmartin 9 Logan Verrett 4 Dario Alvarez 2 Carlos Torres 2 Bobby Parnell 1 Eric O'Flaherty 0
CATCHERS (2) Travis d'Arnaud 19 Kevin Plawecki 16	BELLY-SCRATCHERS (2) Anthony Recker 3 Johnny Monell 0
INFIELDERS (7) David Wright 19 Lucas Duda 19 Daniel Murphy 19 Ruben Tejada 19 Kelly Johnson 19 Wilmer Flores 18 Juan Uribe 12	FUTILITY INFIELDERS (2) Eric Campbell 0 Dilson Herrera 0 . . . . .
OUTFIELDERS (5) Yoenis Cespedes 19 Curtis Granderson 19 Juan Lagares 19 Michael Conforto 18 Michael Cuddyer 17	LEFT-OUTFIELDERS (2) Kirk Nieuwenhuis 5 Eric Young, Jr. 2 . . .

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

it's tough to make a case for Lagares over several guys in the right column. Basically, you're looking at a defensive replacement who wouldn't also be your 1st pinch hitter or 1st pinch runner.

[Edgy MD]

And yet all 20 voters have gone for him.

I think, while none of us perhaps want to make the argument, there might be something to be said for the idea that a guy has been in the trenches with you all year, and it might undercut the whole esprit d'corps to toss him aside now, as much of a luxury or a redundancy has he may have become. Applies to Niese also.

And hey, the world needs redundancies too.

But I do imagine he'll be the pinch-runner that Young might have been had their been room for him.

[Elster88]

Rubin says deGrom will start game 1. Not unexpected.
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/mets/post/_/id/111280/jacob-degrom-rebounds-after-skipped-start