There's a 5% chance

[Centerfield]

That makes it worth discussing.

[Ceetar]

Well, it was always worth discussing.

But the reaction on Twitter makes it look like the Mets are sitting in a room with the Rockies working on paperwork. The letdown (because you know, 5% isn't high) is gonna be painful.

[Centerfield]

I voted No. I think there are big red flags about his health (See Kemp, Matthew). Plus, I think Syndegaard is going to be terrific.

Still, it's a tough call. And if Noah ends up being Mike Pelfrey I'm going to be kicking myself.

[Edgy MD]

Maybe the Mets should open an Office of Expectation Management.

[batmagadanleadoff]

That costs money. So 0 to 5% on that idea.

[Vic Sage]

i know Tulo is the best SS in baseball, but when i look at how many injuries he's had, and how many games he's missed, and how half of his great numbers were produced in Coors (not exactly CitiField), and how he's on the wrong side of 30 with a crippling (for the Mets) contract, i have to say no. And its not even about Syndergaard, really. I'm not yet convinced Thor is NOT going to be Mike Pelfrey (or Paul Wilson, or Tim Leary, or... ). But because i know its the kind of deal that, if it DOESN'T work out, will bury the team for years.

Tulo is an "all in for this year" kind of move, and i don't think the Mets are there yet. By the time they are ready, it'll be even LESS likely that he'll be productive at CitiField.

[Benjamin Grimm]

I agree with Vic. I'd be reluctant to take Tulowitski even if all the Mets had to give up were some old tomatoes from Joe Pignatano's garden.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Jon Heyman wrote: Considering the Mets' excellent pitching prospect list, the bigger issue may be the money, and if the Mets are to give up top young players they'd expect a decent-sized financial return. Tulowitzki has $118-million remaining over six seasons, which isn't unreasonable considering his immense talent, but the Mets would expect some offset considering the top young players they'd have to surrender in such a deal.

The more decent-sized the financial return, the more open to this trade I'd be.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Yeah I think you guys are underestimating what Colorado might be willing to do to get rid of Tulo. The Padres got [crossout:33o8caqb]$75 millions[/crossout:33o8caqb] $32 million for taking Kemp. [crossout:33o8caqb]$75[/crossout:33o8caqb] $32 Million!

If we are talking real prospects we should be getting back real money. I'm very willing to see where this goes.

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[Edgy MD]

Yeah. It's not really about Syndergaard. It's about that contract. It's already killed one GM and it hangs like the Sword of Damocles over his successor.

People talk a lot about the Hernandez and Carter and Piazza trades (the Hernandez trade was by far the best), but the Person/Olerud trade has to be considered among the best the team has made, and it was possible because the Jays were suffering serious buyer's remorse on JO's contract, and they sent $5,000,000 along with him. And that was 1996.

So, if I'm a Met exec, I want to see what Colorado is willing to eat here. An added upside is, if he does go pear shaped, the Mets current shortstop plan is still in place as their backup plan.

[Ceetar]

Edgy MD wrote: Yeah. It's not really about Syndergaard. It's about that contract. It's already killed one GM and it hangs like the Sword of Damocles over his successor. People talk a lot about the Hernandez and Carter and Piazza trades (the Hernandez trade was by far the best), but the Person/Olerud trade has to be considered among the best the team has made, and it was possible because the Jays were suffering serious buyer's remorse on JO's contract, and they sent $5,000,000 along with him. And that was 1996. So, if I'm a Met exec, I want to see what Colorado is willing to eat here. An added upside is, if he does go pear shaped, the Mets current shortstop plan is still in place as their backup plan.

well, would the Mets be sending Flores and/or Tejada along in the deal? I don't really know what the Rockies have, minors/backup wise.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

No, Tejada is a dealbreaker.

[Edgy MD]

What the Mets send could certainly compromise their alternative shortstop plans, but the poll says Tulo-for-Syndergaard, so I'm treating the trade (at least the personnel portion of the trade) as just encompassing those two.

[Edgy MD]

My stars, folks are going nuts on the social media over this 5% thingie.

5.1 WAR in just 91 games. You'd be fools not to at least discuss it.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Wait till you see what happens when it hits 7.5%.

[Guest sharpie]

Yes, he's thirty (just) and yes there's a whole bunch of dollars connected to him and yes he has a history of injury, but he's a pretty great ballplayer. Noah might be good, he might not be, but to upgrade our weakest position to make it our strongest position is too tempting for me, especially if Colorado throws some of his salary our way. I vote yes.

[Guest d'Kong76]

Took no, would rather have Reyes back.
(with monetary concessions)

[Lefty Specialist]

If it's straight up with no salary relief it doesn't happen.

If there's salary relief enough to make it manageable for the Coupons, the price in prospects in addition to Thor will be such that it doesn't happen.

So, checkmate. There'll be lots of talk, but Wilmer's your shortstop come Opening Day.

[ashie62]

Yes as a win now move.

As far as Noah goes you have to give to get.

[Zvon]

No. I have Noah as untouchable. Pitching wise, Montero is my big chip.

d'Kong76 wrote: Took no, would rather have Reyes back. (with monetary concessions)

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Whether it worked or not, I'd love to see this^.

[Frayed Knot]

Davidoff preaches patience in any Tulo talks.

In the Mets� most recent conversations with the Rockies, during last week�s Winter Meetings, the Rockies wanted three or four top players � some current major leaguers, some prospects still in the minors � and also wanted the Mets to assume the entire $118 million that Tulowitzki has guaranteed through 2020.
That�s a tough ask for a guy coming off the Alex Rodriguez hip surgery [and who] has averaged 111.6 games played over the last seven seasons.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

It was 7-0 in favor of "No" when I cast the first "Yes" vote. 8 out of 11 since then!

[Edgy MD]

Frayed Knot wrote: Davidoff preaches patience in any Tulo talks. In the Mets� most recent conversations with the Rockies, during last week�s Winter Meetings, the Rockies wanted three or four top players � some current major leaguers, some prospects still in the minors � and also wanted the Mets to assume the entire $118 million that Tulowitzki has guaranteed through 2020. That�s a tough ask for a guy coming off the Alex Rodriguez hip surgery [and who] has averaged 111.6 games played over the last seven seasons.

That's a lot of nuts.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Okay, if it's gonna be that kind of party, I'm gonna stick my "yes" vote in the mashed potatoes.


Along with my dick.

[Frayed Knot]

Yeah, to the theoretical question as to whether I'd deal Syndergaard straight up for Tulowitski I'd say 'Yes' (would that be the most letters ever traded for each other?) - but it doesn't appear as if that offer is ever going to be on the table.

[Guest d'Kong76]

Things in this thread made better sense when the vote
was 8-0 for NO. What the hell happened over night except
that the price seemingly went up up and up?

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

The price isn't going up. The only way the Rockies get anything for Tulo other than a hole in their pocket is to give us a pile of money to take him. We presumably have the prospects they need: How many others do? That's something worth finding out.

[Zvon]

The price isn't going up. The only way the Rockies get anything for Tulo other than a hole in their pocket is to give us a pile of money to take him. We presumably have the prospects they need: How many others do? That's something worth finding out.

Bingo. IMO.

I liked that article in one of the NY rags today about the Pads eating 29% of his contract, and how if the Rockies did the same we'd be paying Tulo around 15mill a season (82total), which is a great deal. I don't imagine they do that for Montero or down, so it could mean Noah or Wheeler. I'm very leery about that, cuz if we go into 'win now' mode, and Tulo gets hurt and we don't win, it'll be a devastating downer.

[Edgy MD]

Yabbut, that's the thing. They'd still have the current plan as the new backup plan.

Part of building this deep system is to become more nimble. Things can go wrong and the team can continue moving forward.

[ashie62]

The price isn't going up. The only way the Rockies get anything for Tulo other than a hole in their pocket is to give us a pile of money to take him. We presumably have the prospects they need: How many others do? That's something worth finding out. Bingo. IMO. I liked that article in one of the NY rags today about the Pads eating 29% of his contract, and how if the Rockies did the same we'd be paying Tulo around 15mill a season (82total), which is a great deal. I don't imagine they do that for Montero or down, so it could mean Noah or Wheeler. I'm very leery about that, cuz if we go into 'win now' mode, and Tulo gets hurt and we don't win, it'll be a devastating downer.

A devastating downer as opposed to what? The last six seasons.