"Strangers come and cut your heart out": Injuries in 2015

[Guest d'Kong76]

And now, of course, they 'knew' Matz was hurtin' and let him
pitch anyways...
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/11/sports/baseball/torn-muscle-in-his-back-lands-steven-matz-on-the-dl.html?ref=sports&_r=0

[Guest d'Kong76]

Edgy MD wrote: I read that. It's not particularly fair.

It's typical of that slant on the Mets... but a lot of it is true.

[Edgy MD]

A lot of it IS true, but it nonetheless isn't particularly fair or honest.

[Guest d'Kong76]

Having trouble with the honesty part, I'll go back when I can. We're
not the target audience for this stuff whether it be a clueless of the
cluelesslest of bloggers or in an international news outlet.

[ashie62]

I just want David to not retire.

[Gwreck]

Edgy MD wrote: I read that. It's not particularly fair.

I read, at a minimum, two good, not-at-all-unfair points:
1. Good teams overcome injuries;
2. The Mets have done a poor job in securing depth for their team.

[Edgy MD]

1. Some good teams do a good job overcoming injuries. Some � by luck or by some elusive skill � never to have to do confront that. The Mets' two championship teams, for instance, suffered very little in terms of injuries. Between them, the main injury was to Bruce Berenyi. So, no, it isn't particularly true to suggest that good teams, by definition, overcome injuries.

2. I disagree that the 2015 Mets have not built depth to overcome injuries (or "done a poor job to secure depth for their team"). They haven't particularly done well at all in simultaneously replacing David Wright, Daniel Murphy, and Travis d'Arnaud, but they've shown themselves to be dazzlingly prepared to endure injuries (and suspensions) to Zack Wheeler, Josh Edgin, Bobby Parnell, Vic Black, Jenrry Mejia, Jerry Blevins, Buddy Carlyle, Erik Goeddel, and Steven Matz.

And the Mets are a good team. Sixth-best team in the league as of this morning.

[Guest d'Kong76]

Did you have a prepared statement!

[MFS62]

d'Kong76 wrote: Did you have a prepared statement!

He let his people write it. He just edited it.
And they did a darn good job, too.
Well said.

Later

[Frayed Knot]

Gwreck wrote: The Mets' Misfortune? It's Not All About Bad Luck. http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-mets-misfortune-its-not-all-about-bad-luck-1436553430

See here's the problem with all the 'they couldn't survive the injuries cuz they didn't have a backup plan' stuff: it's that it's easy to say after the backup plan that they did have suxx to high heavens.
I mean if it was somehow knowable that Mayberry, Nieuwenhuis (at least before today), Campbell, Herrera, Recker (and Monell for that matter) were all destined to hit under .200 and have an OPS right around 100 or so points below their career levels then, yeah, you're not going to be able to overcome injuries so easily.

Now take the Nats -- who that piece implies were better prepared despite being less injured and just 2 games ahead 90+ games into the season. They're getting by the injuries to Zimmerman & Rendon with Danny Espinosa and 30 y/o rookie Clint Robinson. Espinosa was a sub-.200 hitter for the last two seasons (over 500 PAs) but is hitting .258 this year with an OPS 200 points above 2013-14.
And Robinson, a 30 y/o in his 4th organization w/just 14 ML ABs prior to this season since getting drafted in the 25th round 8 years ago, is hitting a lot better than Zimmerman was when he went out. All of which is good for Washington but, given the odds of those two working out as well as they did, was that really better planning or just better luck?

Edited July 12, 2015 by Guest

[MFS62]

In the post game interview, Terry said that Wright was resuming baseball activities, but gave no specifics.

Later

[Frayed Knot]

MFS62 wrote: In the post game interview, Terry said that Wright was resuming baseball activities, but gave no specifics.

X-Box

[MFS62]

Frayed Knot wrote: In the post game interview, Terry said that Wright was resuming baseball activities, but gave no specifics. X-Box

It was "baseball related" so you might be right.
http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/mets/terry-collins-david-wright-improving-1.10634620

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[Edgy MD]

Buddy Carlyle, meanwhile, appears to have had hip surgery and seems to be done for the season.

[Centerfield]

I'm thinking that the thread title has sunk us this year. Maybe we consider starting a "Recoveries in 2015 Thread"?

[Benjamin Grimm]

Hmmm... that has me wondering... maybe if we lock this thread, the injuries will stop?

[Centerfield]

This is as good a plan as any I have heard this year. BG for GM.

[Edgy MD]

Don't lock it up yet! Reports coming out that Rafael Montero is making his first rehab appearance in the Gulf Coast League!

OK, lock it now.

[MFS62]

Travis ready to start rehab soon.
http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/mets-catcher-travis-d-arnaud-reportedly-close-to-rehab-stint-071515

That elbow bandage made him look like he was trying out for Roller Derby. (Couldn't find a pic)

Later

[Edgy MD]

Michael Cuddyer may be DL bound, according to Adam Rubin.

The injury is a bone bruise, and tends to worsen as games progress. He's started only six games in July thus far. I guess the most likely internal option right now looks like Travis Tajeiron. Whoever it is � unless it's Dillon Gee, Rafael Montero, Dario Avarez, Vic Black, Jack Leathersich, Akeel Morris, Scott Rice, Logan Verrett, Travis d'Arnaud, Anthony Recker, or Zach Lutz � would be Met #1000.

[Fman99]

We can replace Cuddyer's "production" with a mannequin. Preferably a hot one that wants to bang Andrew McCarthy in a department store run by Estelle Getty.

[Edgy MD]

Strangely, though, he hit against St. Louis. Hottest Met over the last seven games, to the extent one can measure heat in the arctic.

[MFS62]

Edgy MD wrote: Michael Cuddyer may be DL bound, according to Adam Rubin. The injury is a bone bruise, and tends to worsen as games progress. He's started only six games in July thus far. I guess the most likely internal option right now looks like Travis Tajeiron. Whoever it is � unless it's Dillon Gee, Rafael Montero, Dario Avarez, Vic Black, Jack Leathersich, Akeel Morris, Scott Rice, Logan Verrett, Travis d'Arnaud, Anthony Recker, or Zach Lutz � would be Met #1000.

They're going to activate Cesar Puello from the 60 day DL and he's going to hit .290/ .338/ .510 for the rest of the year and lead the Mets to a World Series Championship.

Baseball is a funny game.

Later

[Lefty Specialist]

I'm guessing they wanted to hide the seriousness of Cuddy's injury so that they wouldn't look so desperate if they went shopping for an outfielder. Because, you know, other teams are easily fooled.

I've been back and forth on this, but screw it. Bring up Conforto for a 15-day trial.

[Edgy MD]

I'm guessing that they're planning on getting an outfielder, but they knew the market wasn't meeting them yet. So they decided to get what they could out of Cuddyer over the last two gimpy weeks.

[ashie62]

Lefty Specialist wrote: I'm guessing they wanted to hide the seriousness of Cuddy's injury so that they wouldn't look so desperate if they went shopping for an outfielder. Because, you know, other teams are easily fooled. I've been back and forth on this, but screw it. Bring up Conforto for a 15-day trial.

This this this!

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Looks like the Chipotle Rocket may be headed for elbow surgery.

[Edgy MD]

That may drive the Mets into the LOOGy market in the next week, then. Sort of surprised we haven't seen Rice or Below.

[Guest themetfairy]

Travis d'Arnaud had two hits while playing DH in today's rehab start with the B-Mets against Trenton. He looks like he should be back in New York soon.

[Guest Mets Guy in Michigan]

Is it me, or does it seem like teams are using longer and longer rehab periods for guys on the DL? Is seems like there used to be a game or two in the minors, then back in the majors. I read this week that the team wants Travis to get 20 to 25 ABs before coming back. That's four or five games, seemingly adding about a week to his already long DL stint.