Rookie of the Year Talk

[batmagadanleadoff]

Let's see how far back we have to go to find each team's fourth most recent ROY winner:

2003 Marlins Dontrelle Willis
1998 A's Ben Grieve
1998 Rays/Devil Rays -franchise has three ROY winners-
1998 D'Backs -franchise has no ROY winners-
1993 Dodgers Mike Piazza
1993 Rockies -franchise has one ROY winner-
1978 Braves Bob Horner
1977 Mariners -franchise has three ROY winners-
1977 Blue Jays -franchise has two ROY winners-
1974 Cardinals Bake McBride
1973 Orioles Al Bumbry
1972 Red Sox Carlton Fisk
1969 Royals Lou Piniella
1969 (Pilots)/Brewers -franchise has two ROY winners-
1969 (Expos)/Nationals -franchise has three ROY winners-
1969 Padres -franchise has two ROY winners-
1968 Yankees Stan Bahnsen
1968 Reds Johnny Bench
1967 Twins Rod Carew
1967 Mets Tom Seaver
1963 White Sox Gary Peters
1962 Cubs Ken Hubbs
1962 Astros/Colt .45's -franchise has one ROY winner-
1961 Angels -franchise has two ROY winners-
1961 (Senators)/Rangers -franchise has two ROY winners-
1957 Phillies Jack Sanford
1955 Indians Herb Score
1953 Tigers Harvey Kuenn
1947* Pirates -franchise has one ROY winner-


* first year of ROY award

[Edgy MD]

Oh, sorry, I missed a "next to.'

Dave Magadan had a heckuva half season in 1987, punchless as it was, but came up empty. Jeff Kent split his rookie season between the AL and the NL... and got no RoY votes in either.

My scoring system has turned this into a war of attrition.

Mets Guy: 2 (1 X)
Zvon: 1 (1 X)
Frayed Knot: 1 (1 X)
batmagadanleadoff: 1
DocTee: 0 (1 X)
Centerfield: -1 (1 X)

[batmagadanleadoff]

You know who I'm saying got some ROY votes. You know what I'm saying?

[Edgy MD]

Yes to Payday, no to Mann. I generally make it a habit to say no to menn, in fact.

No.	Year	Player	Place	Pts.	First Pl. Votes	Share	Winner
1	1986	Mitchell	3	22	1	18%	Worrell
2	1988	Jefferies	T6	3	0	2%	Sabo
3	1989	Jefferies	3	18	0	15%	Walton
4	1994	Jones	T8	3	0	2%	Mondesi
5	1995	Isringhausen	T4	4	0	3%	Nomo
6	1996	Ord��ez	5	7	1	5%	Hollandsworth
7	2000	Payton	3	37	1	23%	Furcal
8	2003	Reyes	T8	1	0	1%	Willis
9	2004	Matsui	T6	1	0	1%	Bay
10	2010	Davis	7	2	0	1%	Posey

batmagadanleadoff: 2
Mets Guy: 2 (1 X)
Zvon: 1 (1 X)
Frayed Knot: 1 (1 X)
DocTee: 0 (1 X)
Centerfield: -1 (1 X)

Come on.... THINK back to the scintillating Rookie of the Year races of yestertimes.

[batmagadanleadoff]

This has been an educational thread because I'm gonna adopt some of Edgy's new rules in my next quiz and an hour ago, I had no idea what stone soup was.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Nobody's mentioned Baby Rey?

[Edgy MD]

Baby Rey has been tagged already. Number six above.

batmagadanleadoff: 2
Mets Guy: 2 (1 X)
Zvon: 1 (1 X)
Frayed Knot: 1 (1 X)
DocTee: 0 (1 X)
Centerfield: -1 (1 X)
LWFS: -1 (1 X)

Should have credited correct answers with two points, like I used to.

[DocTee]

Mike Jacobs

[Edgy MD]

Good guess. Mike Jacobs may have only played 30 games in 2005, but .310 / .375 / .710 // 1.085 is a heckuva line.

No votes, though.

batmagadanleadoff: 2
Mets Guy: 2 (1 X)
Zvon: 1 (1 X)
Frayed Knot: 1 (1 X)
Centerfield: -1 (1 X)
LWFS: -1 (1 X)
DocTee: -1 (2 X)

[HahnSolo]

Roger McDowell?

[metsmarathon]

does ron darling count?

[Edgy MD]

While the judges in New York state that "Since Dwight Gooden was the NL Rookie of the Year in 1984," should be clearly understood to mean post-1984, they've graciously sympathasized with the notion that you saw ambiguity there, and will not dock you a point. The world is imperfect; we can't ask language to be perfect.

Point for McDowell. Two rookie Mets remain. One was almost gotten.

No.	Year	Player	Place	Pts.	First Pl. Votes	Share	Winner
1	1985	McDowell	T6	2	0	2%	Coleman
2	1986	Mitchell	3	22	1	18%	Worrell
3	1988	Jefferies	T6	3	0	2%	Sabo
4	1989	Jefferies	3	18	0	15%	Walton
5	1994	Jones	T8	3	0	2%	Mondesi
6	1995	Isringhausen	T4	4	0	3%	Nomo
7	1996	Ord��ez	5	7	1	5%	Hollandsworth
8	2000	Payton	3	37	1	23%	Furcal
9	2003	Reyes	T8	1	0	1%	Willis
10	2004	Matsui	T6	1	0	1%	Bay
11	2010	Davis	7	2	0	1%	Posey

batmagadanleadoff: 2
Mets Guy: 2 (1 X)
Zvon: 1 (1 X)
HahnSolo: 1
Frayed Knot: 1 (1 X)
Centerfield: -1 (1 X)
LWFS: -1 (1 X)
DocTee: -1 (2 X)

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Coney?

[Edgy MD]

Baloney.

batmagadanleadoff: 2
Mets Guy: 2 (1 X)
Zvon: 1 (1 X)
HahnSolo: 1
Frayed Knot: 1 (1 X)
Centerfield: -1 (1 X)
DocTee: -1 (2 X)
LWFS: -2 (2 X)

[HahnSolo]

Kevin Elster

[Edgy MD]

So close.

batmagadanleadoff: 2
Mets Guy: 2 (1 X)
Zvon: 1 (1 X)
Frayed Knot: 1 (1 X)
HahnSolo: 0 (1 X)
Centerfield: -1 (1 X)
DocTee: -1 (2 X)
LWFS: -2 (2 X)

[Benjamin Grimm]

Has anyone guessed Edgardo Alfonzo?

[Edgy MD]

EA came up sort of in a utility role. It wasn't until year three that he began to show his beauty.


batmagadanleadoff: 2
Mets Guy: 2 (1 X)
Zvon: 1 (1 X)
Frayed Knot: 1 (1 X)
HahnSolo: 0 (1 X)
Benjamin Grimm: -1 (1 X)
Centerfield: -1 (1 X)
DocTee: -1 (2 X)
LWFS: -2 (2 X)

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Myers?

[Edgy MD]

Good call. Randall K.'s 1997 generated meaningful enough interest to garner a third-place vote.

No.	Year	Player	Place	Pts.	First Pl. Votes	Share	Winner
1	1985	McDowell	T6	2	0	2%	Coleman
2	1986	Mitchell	3	22	1	18%	Worrell
3	1987	Myers	T6	1	0	1%	Santiago
4	1988	Jefferies	T6	3	0	2%	Sabo
5	1989	Jefferies	3	18	0	15%	Walton
6	1994	Jones	T8	3	0	2%	Mondesi
7	1995	Isringhausen	T4	4	0	3%	Nomo
8	1996	Ord��ez	5	7	1	5%	Hollandsworth
9	2000	Payton	3	37	1	23%	Furcal
10	2003	Reyes	T8	1	0	1%	Willis
11	2004	Matsui	T6	1	0	1%	Bay
12	2010	Davis	7	2	0	1%	Posey

batmagadanleadoff: 2
Mets Guy: 2 (1 X)
Zvon: 1 (1 X)
Frayed Knot: 1 (1 X)
HahnSolo: 0 (1 X)
Benjamin Grimm: -1 (1 X)
Centerfield: -1 (1 X)
DocTee: -1 (2 X)
LWFS: -1 (2 X)

Last guy DID come up, but the judges didn't allow it as a guess on a technicality.

[nymr83]

Jae Seo?

[Edgy MD]

It's perhaps a headscratcher, as he gave 32 solid starts, but Jae Neo.

batmagadanleadoff: 2
Mets Guy: 2 (1 X)
Zvon: 1 (1 X)
Frayed Knot: 1 (1 X)
HahnSolo: 0 (1 X)
Benjamin Grimm: -1 (1 X)
Centerfield: -1 (1 X)
Nymr83: -1 (1 X)
DocTee: -1 (2 X)
LWFS: -1 (2 X)

[nymr83]

Edgy MD wrote: It's perhaps a headscratcher, as he gave 32 solid starts, but Jae Neo.

wow, i had to go look that up now... Seo got no votes in 2003 for for 32 starts, 188 1/3 innings of a 110 ERA+, but Jerome Robertson (who?) got a vote and finished 7th despite pitching 160 2/3 innings to the tune of an 86 ERA+ (5.10 ERA and a 1.519 WHIP)

racism!

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Wiggy?

[Edgy MD]

The Notorious W.I.G. completes our quiz.

No.	Year	Player	Place	Pts.	First Pl. Votes	Share	Winner
1	1985	McDowell	T6	2	0	2%	Coleman
2	1986	Mitchell	3	22	1	18%	Worrell
3	1987	Myers	T6	1	0	1%	Santiago
4	1988	Jefferies	T6	3	0	2%	Sabo
5	1989	Jefferies	3	18	0	15%	Walton
6	1994	Jones	T8	3	0	2%	Mondesi
7	1995	Isringhausen	T4	4	0	3%	Nomo
8	1996	Ord��ez	5	7	1	5%	Hollandsworth
9	2000	Payton	3	37	1	23%	Furcal
10	2003	Reyes	T8	1	0	1%	Willis
11	2003	Wigginton	T8	1	0	1%	Willis
12	2004	Matsui	T6	1	0	1%	Bay
13	2010	Davis	7	2	0	1%	Posey

batmagadanleadoff: 2
Mets Guy: 2 (1 X)
Zvon: 1 (1 X)
Frayed Knot: 1 (1 X)
HahnSolo: 0 (1 X)
LWFS: 0 (2 X)
Benjamin Grimm: -1 (1 X)
Centerfield: -1 (1 X)
Nymr83: -1 (1 X)
DocTee: -1 (2 X)

Congratulations to co-leaders BML and MGiM. Here's a tiebreaker just for those two --- name the former Met who managed to finish second in RotY voting one season during this period.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Let's see how far back we have to go to find each team's fifth most recent ROY winner:


1998 Rays/Devil Rays -franchise has three ROY winners-
1998 D'backs -franchise has no ROY winners-
1993 Marlins -franchise has four ROY winners-
1993 Rockies -franchise has one ROY winner-
1992 Dodgers Eric Karros
1988 A's Walt Weiss
1971 Braves Earl Williams
1969 Royals -franchise has four ROY winners-
1969 Brewers/Pilots -franchise has two ROY winners-
1969 Nationals/Expos -franchise has three ROY winners-
1969 Padres -franchise has two ROY winners-
1966 Reds Tommy Helms
1965 Orioles Curt Blefary
1964 Twins Tony Oliva
1962 Yankees Tom Tresh
1962 Mets -franchise has four ROY winners-
1962 Astros/Colt .45's -franchise has one ROY winner-
1961 Red Sox Don Schwall
1961 Cubs Billy Williams
1961 Angels -franchise has two ROY winners-
1961 Rangers/Senators -franchise has two ROY winners-
1958 Giants Orlando Cepeda
1956 White Sox Luis Aparicio
1955 Cardinals Bill Virdon
1947* Indians -franchise has four ROY winners-
1947* Tigers -franchise has four ROY winners-
1947* Phillies -franchise has four ROY winners-
1947* Pirates -franchise has one ROY winner-


* first year of ROY award

[Frayed Knot]

NYM also-rans who went on to better careers than the actual NL ROY winner

Kevin Mitchell over Todd Worrell
Gregg Jefferies over Jerome Walton
Gregg Jefferies over Chris Sabo
Jose Reyes over Dontrelle Willis

[batmagadanleadoff]

Let's see how far back we have to go to find each team's sixth most recent ROY winner:


1987 A's Mark McGwire
1982 Dodgers Steve Sax
1963 Reds Pete Rose
1960 Orioles Ron Hansen
1959 (Twins)/Senators Bob Allison
1958 Cubs Harry Ackerman
1958 White Sox Claudio Guzman
1957 Yankees Tony Kubek
1954 Cardinals Wally Moon
1951 Giants Willie Mays
1950 Red Sox Walt Dropo
1950 Braves Sam Jethroe


1998 Rays/Devil Rays -franchise has three ROY winners-
1998 D'backs -franchise has no ROY winners-
1993 Marlins -franchise has four ROY winners-
1993 Rockies -franchise has one ROY winner-
1969 Royals -franchise has four ROY winners-
1969 Brewers/Pilots -franchise has two ROY winners-
1969 Nationals/Expos -franchise has three ROY winners-
1969 Padres -franchise has two ROY winners-
1962 Mets -franchise has four ROY winners-
1962 Astros/Colt .45's -franchise has one ROY winner-
1961 Angels -franchise has two ROY winners-
1961 Rangers/Senators -franchise has two ROY winners-
1947* Indians -franchise has four ROY winners-
1947* Tigers -franchise has four ROY winners-
1947* Phillies -franchise has four ROY winners-
1947* Pirates -franchise has one ROY winner-


* first year of ROY award

[batmagadanleadoff]

Let's see how far back we have to go to find each team's seventh most recent ROY winner:



1986 A's Jose Canseco
1981 Dodgers Fernando Valenzuela
1958 (Twins)/Senators Albie Pearson
1956 Reds Frank Robinson
1954 Yankees Bob Grim
1949 (Orioles)/Browns Roy Sievers
1948 Braves Alvin Dark


1998 Rays/Devil Rays -franchise has three ROY winners-
1998 D'backs -franchise has no ROY winners-
1993 Marlins -franchise has four ROY winners-
1993 Rockies -franchise has one ROY winner-
1969 Royals -franchise has four ROY winners-
1969 Brewers/Pilots -franchise has two ROY winners-
1969 Nationals/Expos -franchise has three ROY winners-
1969 Padres -franchise has two ROY winners-
1962 Mets -franchise has four ROY winners-
1962 Astros/Colt .45's -franchise has one ROY winner-
1961 Angels -franchise has two ROY winners-
1961 Rangers/Senators -franchise has two ROY winners-
1947* Red Sox -franchise has six ROY winners-
1947* Giants -franchise has six ROY winners-
1947* Cardinals -franchise has six ROY winners-
1947* White Sox -franchise has five ROY winners-
1947* Cubs -franchise has five ROY winners-
1947* Indians -franchise has four ROY winners-
1947* Tigers -franchise has four ROY winners-
1947* Phillies -franchise has four ROY winners-
1947* Pirates -franchise has one ROY winner-


* first year of ROY award

[batmagadanleadoff]

Edgy MD wrote: Congratulations to co-leaders BML and MGiM. Here's a tiebreaker just for those two --- name the former Met who managed to finish second in RotY voting one season during this period.

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