Cry For Help

[Gwreck]

Ceetar wrote: It's Facebook likes grouped by arbitrary boundaries.

It's also broken down by County, if you zoom out. These are actual geographic boundaries that exist. They weren't created arbitrarily.

It's not a secret that the Yankees have been better in the Facebook era. You don't need to break it out by zipcode.

First, the map was about more than the Mets and Yankees. Second, time and proximity is always going to be a part of any data collection. Nobody asks (or expects to receive accurate answers) otherwise. The answer you get is for NOW.

This is not a sample of X New Yorkers and studying who likes who.

Nobody said it was.

Mets blogs are generally accepted to be much better and more prolific.

Irrelevant

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You don't have to like the data presented but it doesn't make it inaccurate. The Mets are not popular. I have no problem understanding that. Your point about "it all comes down to winning" is the right pone. The Mets would do well to worry less about who is a true fan and more (much, much more) about winning.

[Guest d'Kong76]

Gwreck wrote: The Mets would do well to worry less about who is a true fan and more (much, much more) about winning.

Amen, brother.

[Guest Rockin' Doc]

I guess it is official, not only am I not considered a true New Yorker, but apparently I'm not considered a Mets fan either since I didn't receive a plea for me to express my loyalty.

Probably just as well. For whatever reason, my enthusiasm for the Mets has faded considerably during the past year.

[Guest d'Kong76]

Doc, you need to take a road trip and come visit. We have
a special kool-aid to make you see the light again!

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Seriously. This stock is about to trend upward; this is not the time to go short, friend-o.

[Ceetar]

Gwreck wrote: First, the map was about more than the Mets and Yankees. Second, time and proximity is always going to be a part of any data collection. Nobody asks (or expects to receive accurate answers) otherwise. The answer you get is for NOW. Mets blogs are generally accepted to be much better and more prolific. Irrelevant --- You don't have to like the data presented but it doesn't make it inaccurate. The Mets are not popular. I have no problem understanding that. Your point about "it all comes down to winning" is the right pone. The Mets would do well to worry less about who is a true fan and more (much, much more) about winning.

No, it's precisely about the Mets and Yankese (as are the open letters). In a one-team town you don't have this problem, because the sample of "Facebook users who like baseball teams" are unlikely to have a significant percentage of other teams therefore represent a higher percentage, even though the 80% in the Denver area probably represents less fans than a 15% in a North Jersey county.

I'm not saying the data is inaccurate so much as meaningless. You can't draw any inferences from it, but it's certainly easy to use it to support a pre-conceived notion.

I mention the blogs because one of the main reasons to like the Mets facebook page would be to follow the team. But with quality other sources, Mets fans might not be as likely to bother.

Luckily the overlap between people working on open letters and people working on making a winning team is roughly 0. If anything, winning will make this sorta stuff go away, because the marketing dept will have to try less hard to get fans to sign up, and if the Mets had made the playoffs last year you'd have roughly 3 million people signing up to win the tickets and properly treating the letter like the marketing gimmick it is.

[Guest Rockin' Doc]

d'Kong76 wrote: Doc, you need to take a road trip and come visit. We have a special kool-aid to make you see the light again!

I would like that. Maybe I can find a long weekend for a road trip. I think actually being able to take in a game again would do wonders for my psyche and fandom. Besides, the company is always great.

[Guest Rockin' Doc]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Seriously. This stock is about to trend upward; this is not the time to go short, friend-o.

Thanks for the encouragement. I know I need to hang in through the lean years, as they make you appreciate the good years that much more. Unfortunately, living almost 500 miles from Citi Field and spending less time on the internet than I did in the past, makes it difficult to follow the team as closely as I would like.

[stevejrogers]

Ceetar wrote: Mets blogs are generally accepted to be much better and more prolific... I mention the blogs because one of the main reasons to like the Mets facebook page would be to follow the team. But with quality other sources, Mets fans might not be as likely to bother.

Out of curiosity, in the vast wasteland of anyone with an internet email account can throw up a blog page, how can this actually be measured in any fashioned?

Obviously you are not venturing into the depths of the Evil Empire's Internet Fan Community to see who promotes their sites, podcasts, and whatnot, on social media accounts, message boards and so on, so in general it is kind of hard to judge one fan community's blogosphere (and social media communities) when you are just active in only one team's fan community.

And I mention the vast wasteland, because just like with Met blogs, just because the blog writer(s) or podcast hosts aren't harping about their stuff on Twitter, Facebook, Tumblr, Reddit, YouTube, Tout, Instagram, MySpace, Friendster, Pintrest, Foursquare or whatever social network(s) you think works best to promote your stuff, doesn't imply quality or quantity as compared to fans of other teams.

Nor should it imply that just because you like/follow/whatever they call it in places the official team account that you are more likely to drown out non-official fan based sources for news, information, opinions and community.

[Guest d'Kong76]

That was deep, Steve-o.

[Fman99]

SteveJRogers wrote: Ceetar wrote: Mets blogs are generally accepted to be much better and more prolific... I mention the blogs because one of the main reasons to like the Mets facebook page would be to follow the team. But with quality other sources, Mets fans might not be as likely to bother. Out of curiosity, in the vast wasteland of anyone with an internet email account can throw up a blog page, how can this actually be measured in any fashioned? Obviously you are not venturing into the depths of the Evil Empire's Internet Fan Community to see who promotes their sites, podcasts, and whatnot, on social media accounts, message boards and so on, so in general it is kind of hard to judge one fan community's blogosphere (and social media communities) when you are just active in only one team's fan community. And I mention the vast wasteland, because just like with Met blogs, just because the blog writer(s) or podcast hosts aren't harping about their stuff on Twitter, Facebook, Tumblr, Reddit, YouTube, Tout, Instagram, MySpace, Friendster, Pintrest, Foursquare or whatever social network(s) you think works best to promote your stuff, doesn't imply quality or quantity as compared to fans of other teams. Nor should it imply that just because you like/follow/whatever they call it in places the official team account that you are more likely to drown out non-official fan based sources for news, information, opinions and community.

This made me want to start my own Mets-and-pornography based Pinterest page. If only they had not taken down the last four attempts of mine to do so.

[Guest Mets � Willets Point]

Fman's first pin:

[Edgy MD]

Lunchbucket gave me some praise (I'm trying to figure out how ironically) for taking on FB dopes over the complete loss of perspective over this campaign, but it's not even the marketing department's biggest blunder of the last 12 months.

How soon folks forget Cougargate.

[Guest d'Kong76]

Curtis emailed me! It's so exciting!!!

[Ceetar]

Edgy MD wrote: Lunchbucket gave me some praise (I'm trying to figure out how ironically) for taking on FB dopes over the complete loss of perspective over this campaign, but it's not even the marketing department's biggest blunder of the last 12 months. How soon folks forget Cougargate.

Still pissed they shut that down. That was cool.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Edgy MD wrote: Lunchbucket gave me some praise (I'm trying to figure out how ironically) for taking on FB dopes over the complete loss of perspective over this campaign, but it's not even the marketing department's biggest blunder of the last 12 months. How soon folks forget Cougargate.

Well, it wasn't really ironic and it wasn't only this situation I was talking about.

It's just that, I used to live for hammering Ms. Met but lost most of my interest in arguing with ignoramuses years ago so I'm surprised to see someone in the msg board game as long as me still going after it. So I admire that on the one hand but couldn't imagine doing it anymore. I might really go nuclear if I did. I don't even respond to no-account nonsense here.

By the way, I wouldn't ever "like" a big corporate, money-hungry thing like the Mets on facebook, when all it gets you are commercials jamming up the timeline. So it's my fault 11222 shows up so badly.

[batmagadanleadoff]

"I'll betcha a Lear Jet that if Facebook took their poll today, we'd have
gained back a coupl'a counties."
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[Benjamin Grimm]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I used to live for hammering Ms. Met

I totally misinterpreted that the first time I read it.

[Guest d'Kong76]

"I'll betcha a Lear Jet that if Facebook took their poll today, we'd have gained back a coupl'a counties." [fimg=544]http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1007686.1326862143!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_970/fred-wilpon-jeff-wilpon-bernie-madoff.jpg?enlarged[/fimg]

Jeff: Leased plan time on a Lear jet, Pop ... but I know
what you mean.

[Edgy MD]

Poor Jeff doesn't have a lanyard with an access badge.

[Ceetar]

Edgy MD wrote: Poor Jeff doesn't have a lanyard with an access badge.

"Badge? You don't need to see my badge. DON'T YOU KNOW WHO I AM!?"

[metirish]

Darling brings the hammer to the Mets

Ron Darling embarrassed by Mets' cringe-worthy 'True New Yorkers' campaign
The former Mets pitcher and current SNY analyst said he did not do his due diligence when the Mets' marketing department asked to use his name and likeness on the campaign that has been roundly criticized by fans and media.

MIAMI -- Ron Darling said he was blind-sided by the "True New Yorkers" marketing letter from the Mets that had his name on it. The former Mets pitcher said on WFAN that he did not do his due diligence when the marketing department asked to use his name and likeness on a campaign that has been roundly criticized by fans and media. The SNY analyst was one of 10 former Mets players to sign the asking fans to pledge their support as they head into the Subway Series. "It's on me. It's not on anyone else," Darling told the Joe and Evan Show. "I put my name on it. I put my likeness on it. I have to live with it." Darling added that the Mets need to reevaluate and work on their relationship with the team's loyal fans. "What is happened now - and I'm not saying it's rightfully so - but it seems like everything that comes out from the Mets is looked at poorly" said Darling, who admitted that spending and winning would help the relationship. "When you're looking at something where you feel like you're Charlie Brown and Lucy keeps taking the ball out, and you keep kicking because you're such die-hards, I just think that there has to be a re-evaluation of the disconnect and how to reconnect to how (fans) feel and what (the team) is trying to do," Darling said. "And I think that's an obvious thing."

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/mets-insider-darling-embarrassed-true-new-yorker-article-1.1783544#ixzz31B2RQaC4

[Guest d'Kong76]

from Ron wrote: "When you're looking at something where you feel like you're Charlie Brown and Lucy keeps taking the ball out, and you keep kicking because you're such die-hards, I just think that there has to be a re-evaluation of the disconnect and how to reconnect to how (fans) feel and what (the team) is trying to do," Darling said. "And I think that's an obvious thing."

Amen

[Frayed Knot]

That he never read much less approved of the text of that thing comes as absolutely no surprise to me.

[Guest d'Kong76]

I know, and it's in everyone's contracts I'm sure that they
can do whatever they want with their names, etc.

[Frayed Knot]

Well it doesn't sound like the team used Darling's name without his OK so it's not like we can blame the team on this one (aside, y'know, from concocting the lame-ish letter in the first place).
Ronnie just seems like he was lazy in giving his permission then regretted it afterward when the heat started pouring in and he realized what he put his signature to.

[Guest Mets � Willets Point]

Darling probably thought it was a promotion to get people interested in a contest to win tickets to a game against the Yankees, because that's what it actually is. But then some wound-lickers decided that it was actually evidence of the failure of the Mets ownership or something.

[Guest d'Kong76]

One day, we'll all be as smart as Willet. Until then, I don't care
what the function of the letters were ... lame is lame.

[Guest d'Kong76]

Never noticed how muscular Jeff is. His forearm in that picture
looks like a loaf of braided bread for chrissakes.

[Guest Mets � Willets Point]

d'Kong76 wrote: One day, we'll all be as smart as Willet. Until then, I don't care what the function of the letters were ... lame is lame.

That's exactly what someone who isn't a True New Yorker would say.