Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball Field

[batmagadanleadoff]

"If you're making that poster, I want in!"
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[Zvon]

seawolf17 wrote: I'd be afraid the small print would wash out on a shirt really quickly. A poster, however...

I agree a poster would be the way to go.

Parachute Guy should make the cut.

Zvon, it was that book that had me drawing baseball stadia for a long while. If you're going to add the broadcast booth, don't forget to make space in it for Lindsay Nelson next to those other two guys.

You'll have to lobby for Lindsay Nelson. Convince 14 year old me that he wasn't a traitor.
You draw? Do you want to add anything to the poster? That would make it a real community project.
That goes for anyone who wants to add anything.

Didn't Straw hit the scoreboard once? I don't recall the details. Anyone?
Has any other Mets hit the scoreboard? I'm thinking Delgado might have.

[Edgy MD]

It's at about the one-minute mark here.

[youtube:2nkau1pa]ClsAOhhUKz0[/youtube:2nkau1pa]

[batmagadanleadoff]

Zvon wrote: Didn't Straw hit the scoreboard once? I don't recall the details. Anyone? Has any other Mets hit the scoreboard? I'm thinking Delgado might have.

Straw hit it against the Astros, and Mo Vaughn hit it against the Braves. I was at both of those games -- front row behind the plate for Mo's shot.

[Zvon]

Edgy MD wrote: It's at about the one-minute mark here. [youtube]ClsAOhhUKz0[/youtube]

Excellent footage, thank you.

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Zvon wrote: Didn't Straw hit the scoreboard once? I don't recall the details. Anyone? Has any other Mets hit the scoreboard? I'm thinking Delgado might have. Straw hit it against the Astros, and Mo Vaughn hit it against the Braves. I was at both of those games -- front row behind the plate for Mo's shot.

Wowzers. I saw Straws sweet spot on the scoreboard(the dent in vid?). Pick a spot for Mo.

[Ceetar]

I saw Adam Dunn hit the scoreboard once in BP. broke a light.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Zvon wrote: Wowzers. I saw Straws sweet spot on the scoreboard(the dent in vid?). Pick a spot for Mo.

Just under the "T" in "Born on Date" - more than halfway up the scoreboard.

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[Edgy MD]

Who's on play-by-play there?

[batmagadanleadoff]

Edgy MD wrote: Who's on play-by-play there?

I'm goin' with Gary Cohen and Fran Healy (Fran, especially on the "Super Cam", just in case no one heard it the first 89 times Fran mentioned the Super Cam), and Keith jumping in with the beer and the suds flowing off of the scoreboard and stuff.

[Edgy MD]

I hear Keith and Fran, but the guy calling the homer isn't familiar, and doesn't sound like Cohen.

It's not Coleman, is it?

[Zvon]

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Zvon wrote: Wowzers. I saw Straws sweet spot on the scoreboard(the dent in vid?). Pick a spot for Mo. Just under the "T" in "Born on Date" - more than halfway up the scoreboard. iUA6HV3jX4o

Excellent, thank you. I vaguely remember this. He got all his weight behind that one. Wow.

I think one of those voices is Keith for sure.

Mets web site says the Shea was the very first stadium to ever put distances on their OF walls. I find this hard to believe.

[Zvon]

I think this is going to balloon into a bigger project than I thought. If I can do it "scavenger art style"(picking stuff from various sources to use) it will be relatively quick work. If small cartoons are needed, drawing them won't add too much time wise, but portraits are another matter. I do have my own existing Met drawings that can be used as a portrait source (Carter, Keith, Doc & Straw if they do get portraits). The other portraits will be by Stark or Gallo and I hope that's not a problem poster wise.

Heres the list. I'm sure there are more to add (I hope there are), and many of those listed are debatable. Not sure if all will or should make it. A questionmark added means it's a "maybe". Room really won't be an issue, I can always expand the border, but I'd rather it be not any more busy than a Mack work, which are pretty damn busy. It should be busy, but not over busy (if thats possible--Ill probably find out).

My brother suggested a cut-away view of under the stands- the clubhouse- showing Keith with a beer and a cig watching the end of game 6. lol. I said, hey, maybe I can do that...

THE LIST SO FAR:

Notable Shea event/highlight:
>Seaver 10Ks in a row
>Ball on the wall
>Ball Thru BB's legs
>Agees upper decker
>Seavers almost perfect game(where Qualls hits landed?
>Spot black cat came from and it's path
>MetWalk2LF-73NLCS
>Stork Collision
>Spot where Ventura was halted from completing his lap.
>Tomato patch.
>The Manufacturerer's Hanover sign that flashed H and E for hit and error.
>The bullpen cart.
>Bill Shea's horseshoe of flowers (at/near home plate?).
> Spot in IF where Rose clocked Buddy
>Path and spot where Rose bottle landed
> Didn't Straw hit the scoreboard? That spot. And the spot by Mo.
>Planes. (can someone tell me in all the years how many planes flew over Shea? just approx.
ha. But I'm not kidding- how else to work in the planes?-just the path across the sky?)
>Beatles stage spot. (Mention Billy Joel here as well?)
>Sign man, seated in the position of his actual box.(I imagine he'll be there, standing, with a sign. I'll draw that myself.)- I can have his sign say YOU GOTTA BELIEVE, or anything else.
>Piazza home run spot.
>Spot where Pratts ball went out (cartoon of D'Back @ the wall)
>Gil shoe polish meeting spot w/ump
>Jesse in front of mound 86
>K corner -(w/Gooden rookie K record?)
> Banner Day ( Path they walked? Side bar? How to show this?)
> First stadium to add wall distances-is this true? I don't believe it.

Questionmarks:
>GilWalk2Cleon?
>JCM's WS bunt? (spot where it hit him like the 80's one)
>Spot where Melvin and Roger met mid-air?
>Gooden rookie K record?(possibly combine with above)
> Where bat half landed w/path in Piazza/Clemens incident?
>Mr.Met could be worked in pictured in the stands somewhere
>Carter HR 1st game?
>BobbyV mustache?-Id like to get BobbyV in there somewhere.
>Cleon last '69 WS out?
>LoDuca tags 2 at home?
>Mrs. Paysons box?
>Comeback vs Braves that time?
>Santana/ Maine 2007 last outings?
>I want to work in Tug but I don't feel the You Gotta Believe angle has anything to do with Shea itself. How do I fit in Tug?
> There should be at least a few bad things too. Like Beltran froze on Wainwrights curve ball here-----------x (gimme more bad things)
> Benny A and Dykstra post season homers?

Catches (all a must):
> Endy
>Swoboda
>Agee's 2 catches
>Staub 73NLCScatch

External:
Almost anything can go here and many notables & portraits will be out here.
> Retired numbers?
>All pennants/banners
>The two different facades on the inset external illustrations. (2 full stadium views)
>The WOR-TV booth/SNY booth (notes about Murph, Kiner, and our current trio - if you twist my arm until just before it breaks, Lindsay Nelson)
>Different bullpen wall? Other pen differences?
> Yankees shared Shea mid 70's

Portrait:
>Casey These will also have their retired number circles next to them
>Seaver
>Gil
Maybe-smaller portrait:
>Cleon?
> Davey J?
>Gooden?
>Strawberry?
>Keith?
>Carter?
>Wright?
>BobbyV?

Concerts:
Just a side bar list of all concerts held at Shea.
Beatles and Billy J will get special mention

The extra inning games and a few other things mentioned in the 80's one don't make the cut. Are any of those still a current record?

Where did cow-bell man hang out? The thing needs more cowbell, man.

Wasn't there some kind of roving band back in the day, for a short period?

[batmagadanleadoff]

http://m.mlb.com/video/v8852885/mlb-network-remembers-bobby-valentine-in-disguise

The Clemens bat incident was up in the Bronx.

Shea was the first stadium to post distance markers beyond the outfields walls. I remember a 428' marker. Some of those markers may have been connected with Dave Kingman.

Also, what about that incident when they blew up the center field wall with cannon fire?

[batmagadanleadoff]

Lenny Randle when the lights went out.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Johnny Callison's walk-off (did I say "walk-off? what is the world coming to?) in a Met helmet.

[Fman99]

Edgy MD wrote: I hear Keith and Fran, but the guy calling the homer isn't familiar, and doesn't sound like Cohen. It's not Coleman, is it?

Sounds like Gary Thorne to me.

[ashie62]

Fman99 wrote: Edgy MD wrote: I hear Keith and Fran, but the guy calling the homer isn't familiar, and doesn't sound like Cohen. It's not Coleman, is it? Sounds like Gary Thorne to me.

Yes it is...

[MFS62]

Yes Zvon, I used to draw, but not well.
No mention of the Jets playing at Shea?
Howz about a Super Bowl III Championship banner hanging from one of the flagpoles?
Or showing where the movable seats were positioned for football?

Later

[dgwphotography]

Zvon wrote: > First stadium to add wall distances-is this true? I don't believe it.

Nope.

[Zvon]

http://m.mlb.com/video/v8852885/mlb-network-remembers-bobby-valentine-in-disguise The Clemens bat incident was up in the Bronx. Shea was the first stadium to post distance markers beyond the outfields walls. I remember a 428' marker. Some of those markers may have been connected with Dave Kingman. Also, what about that incident when they blew up the center field wall with cannon fire?

SO the BobbyV Mustache stays.

DOH. Clemens bat cut.

I get what you're saying. The Mets were the first to post distances beyond the outfield wall, and that might be very tue.

The Yankee canon incident should make it.

My brother said if I include the Stork collision I have to include the Dykstra/Mookie collision. I don't know that I agree, but they did both happen in the same area and might be able to be written up in the same bubble or box. Like just add Mook/Dyktra also collided here..
The Mook/Dykstra collision was way more kool looking, so I don't know why I put more weight on the Stork/Hahn one.

What did Randle do during the blackout?

Callisons walkoff and Bunnings perfecto are big Shea moments, and I have to work them in, but I don't want them getting major area(s) or space. I might include boxed facts around the outside with stuff like that.
The fact that Callison was wearing a Mets helmet, to me, makes that stand out more. Bunning does not get the mound even thought the achievement was never topped. He's not a Met. Certainly have to get him in there though. Mound will go to where Jerry/Grote hugged, and where Orosco dropped and made a V (right in front of mound).

Yes Zvon, I used to draw, but not well. No mention of the Jets playing at Shea? Howz about a Super Bowl III Championship banner hanging from one of the flagpoles? Or showing where the movable seats were positioned for football? Later

As far as contributing cartoons, they don't have to be anything great, or even good. Like the old cards, kinda doodles. Like I did for the 2002 set- i pull a paper from my printer, sketch the cartoon loosly (it can be done at a small size-real small if you want), scan it, send it to me and I'll clean it up and add it. You can even do it on lined paper, at work, and I can work with that-remove the lines, bring out the cartoon (all you guys at work withfive minutes to doodle).

This is not a great example- because it's for a card back-a cartoon made for the 2002 set.

Just sketch/doodle, scan, make it look like an ink drawing in a art type program, and wala, lil cute baseball cartoon. The size of the actual Agee cartoon thing is about 1/16th of the size of this scan. So even tiny ones can be used w np.

They don't have to be great and I think the more people contribute the more fun this is.

I don't consider the Polo Grounds shot of the distance to be "beyond" the field of play, so I think that still stands.

I've done a mock up with portraits surrounding Shea, with the Carter, Keith, Straw, Doc, and Cleon, including the big three retired # guys. But I think it looks much better with just the three biggy portraits, Casey, Gil, and Seaver, one in each corner and the alt stadium looks, including the football field set up with at least a mention of Namath and '69 in the final corner. Where ever I put the banners, or pennants, a Jets 69 one will be in there.

Sheesh, I want to include the Grand Funk Coin Shea (the balloon effect) but ....I'm not going to be able to get everything in it- I don't think. Maybe...maybe we have to whittle down.
I can show you tests/mock ups where I checked these things out, if you want to see how it looks with the extra portraits or during steps along the way. It took me a looooooong time to add the crowd, and it's not all in yet, so no big additions have been made. So far the Shea work looks real nice with a full crowd in it.

I also thought of possibly showing the difference between the Shea facades/look like they did on the 2008ByeShea Logo. But to add this to the existing stadium already outlined, would take some major changes to the layout. So maybe I add it as a separate image. I will make the photo look like a drawing, or I will draw it if I have to.


I would rather the facade looks extended from the original Shea drawing posted earlier, but I don't know if that's doable w/o some major changes to the layout.
It would be added, an extension to the Shea created up there. Might be worth the extra work.

I wanted this to also be a tribute to Gene Macks work and style as well, but if it evolves past that(well, not past it, because all Macks stuff is brilliant) but just into something else, I'll go with it, as long as it ends up capturing Shea's rather colorful history. I don't see how it won't be able to do that nicely, I hope.

[Edgy MD]

That photo is kewl, but somehow the stadium exterior changes in time but the cars remain the same.

[stevejrogers]

Seaver bowing on the mound after his number was retired.

[Edgy MD]

For important homers that don't quite measure up to deserving a spot, you can just list them all on/around the apple.

[Guest Mets Guy in Michigan]

SteveJRogers wrote: Seaver bowing on the mound after his number was retired.

Brilliant!

[Zvon]

Mets Guy in Michigan wrote: SteveJRogers wrote: Seaver bowing on the mound after his number was retired. Brilliant!

Agreed.

I don't even have the apple in there yet. Gah! Apples gotta be in there.

Crowd still going in. The 3 portrait look. Stadiums are tests subject to change- trying different things to portray the differences over the yrs--this would be the look without the outer shell extension I mentioned, which would add a lot of additional space to the bottom. If I went that route, all but the football Shea could be dropped.


The original is 4 times this size, So you can read the text. The Stork bubble is just a test and might not end up in that spot.

[Zvon]

Crap...Diamond Vision.. I have to stick that somewhere.

Maybe going with a circa '70's Shea as a base image was a mistake. It's my favorite Shea look, but if I add things like the apple and D-vision where they belong, it just becomes the circa '90s Shea.

Working on scoreboard changes. I'm creating three different (same size) versions of the scoreboard.

Did they really lop off that much of the outer (back)shell when they upgraded in 88 or doth mine eyes deceive me?

I think there were only 3 major scoreboard upgrades (ad's on board not being a factor).
Above is 1964-1988, and then what I call the middle one, 1988-?
And then the final one where they added the Pepsi bottles to the backshell(not pictured). I'll go digging on Baseball fever, but does anyone here know when the switch was from the 1988 upgrade to the final one? I believe one of the major changes in the final was the NY skyline at top changing from white to black.

[Zvon]

The original is 4 times this size, So you can read the text. The Stork bubble is just a test and might not end up in that spot.

V.2

Final version.


This does not have the error corrections that I have been working on, nor the additional info that I've gotten from the fb Shea page(the lists have to be updated). But basically the finished poster will look like this, only giant sized and eligible.

A lot of changes to the original concept. No info bubbles like the Gene Mack works. I kinda threw the Gene Mack tribute angle out the window as the area surrounding Shea grew and filled in. Scraped the cartoon look for actual photos depicting the Shea moments. Still, very much influenced by Mack.

It's very busy (some might prefer version 2), but I wanted to get everything in I could think of. I want to add a note about Strawman hitting the scoreboard (Mo's shot is in there) and a few other little additions.
The image above is 1451x1041. The original is 3540x2540 and if I make prints I plan to make them the same size as the original (app. 4 x 3 ft.). That'll be one bigass poster of Shea If there's any interest I'll print and sell a limited amount. I know I want one for my wall, so I'm definitely printing up one at full size.

[Edgy MD]

Sucks not to be able to see a full-size version. Great work.

Also home of The New York Apollo (1980, and possibly 1981).

[Guest themetfairy]

Zvon wrote: Final version.

Amazin'!

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

That is looking great!