IGT 7/1/13 Snakes @ Mets Miley Cyrus v. Marcum..

[Zvon]

[bigpurple:2jamng4l]HOLY SHIT[/bigpurple:2jamng4l]

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

[bigpurple:22x0j8s6]BROWN[/bigpurple:22x0j8s6]

[metsmarathon]

buck is clearly more of a threat to the mets on the basepaths tonight, and the dbacks know it.

...or not...

[Frayed Knot]

FUCKIN' FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Well, there it is. Baseball.

[Edgy MD]

Down to the last strike.

Lets find some appearances for El Bron.

[Frayed Knot]

I kept telling you it would come down to buck ... and he wound up scoring the winning run.

[Guest Swan Swan H]

Had 'em all the way.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Guys had him on the mic for awhile waiting for pie but I guess Bob Costas has shamed them off the practice.

[Edgy MD]

Andrew Brown shouting to the crowd > cream pie face

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Andrew Brown gives about as colorful a postgame interview as you'd expect out of a guy named Andrew Brown.

Mazel tov, ya big schnooze. Great work.

[Zvon]

I gave up on this one and that makes it all the sweeter. We left 20 on base. 20!

[Frayed Knot]

Only problem is, now I'm too keyed up to go to bed.

[nymr83]

Andrew Brown wins the game... when you don't make him bunt.

[MFS62]

Whoda' thunkit?
Brown delivers.
Who needs FedEx?
Later

[Edgy MD]

It was a nice monkey to shake off tonight.

All the Mets' minor league teams got clobbered or are getting clobbered tonight. Who cares, right?

[Edgy MD]

Can anybody make sense of Kirk Gibsons walkophilia in the ninth?

[Frayed Knot]

Edgy MD wrote: Can anybody make sense of Kirk Gibsons walkophilia in the ninth?

Assuming you meant in the 13th inning, I didn't think it was all that out of whack.

* The danger, of course, is that he was putting the winning run on when he walked Buck and "The Book" considers that a no-no.
On the other hand he did it to get to a pitcher batting (no NYM options) who, if he swung away, was a GiDP candidate or, if he bunted, the 2nd out.

* IW-ing Q to get to Brown is a little more suspect in that it brought the game-tying walk into play. But it also gave Collmenter a RHB to face instead of a LHB, a newbie instead of a vet, and worked around the night's hot batter for one recently in the game.

Am certainly not claiming it was the only path to choose, but it was not without its reasoning.

[Ceetar]

Frayed Knot wrote: Edgy MD wrote: Can anybody make sense of Kirk Gibsons walkophilia in the ninth? Assuming you meant in the 13th inning, I didn't think it was all that out of whack. * The danger, of course, is that he was putting the winning run on when he walked Buck and "The Book" considers that a no-no. On the other hand he did it to get to a pitcher batting (no NYM options) who, if he swung away, was a GiDP candidate or, if he bunted, the 2nd out. * IW-ing Q to get to Brown is a little more suspect in that it brought the game-tying walk into play. But it also gave Collmenter a RHB to face instead of a LHB, a newbie instead of a vet, and worked around the night's hot batter for one recently in the game. Am certainly not claiming it was the only path to choose, but it was not without its reasoning.

I fell asleep, poor job by me. When I woke up and it was random sportsnight stuff or something, I managed to wait until the scroll said they won.

I don't see how you can walk Q, the AAAA light hitting guy (granted the power doesn't matter at that point) for Brown unless you're thinking "oh, well he's hot today" but in that case, you don't walk Buck. Unless of course you're worried that another AB by him swinging that hard literally tears a hole in the fabric of reality. I mean, that AB in the..8th? 9th? when his helmet came off and whatnot looked like a Charlie Brown comic.

[Frayed Knot]

Seven PAs for Buck last night -- Zero fair balls hit: 3 Ks, 3 BBs (2 intentional) and a foul out.

[Ceetar]

Frayed Knot wrote: Seven PAs for Buck last night -- Zero fair balls hit: 3 Ks, 3 BBs (2 intentional) and a foul out.

And that one non IBB (I believe it was that one) resulted in a useless caught stealing with the winning run on third.

[Edgy MD]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Andrew Brown gives about as colorful a postgame interview as you'd expect out of a guy named Andrew Brown. Mazel tov, ya big schnooze. Great work.

Nonsense. He was wonderful.

I, on the other hand, fell asleep during one of the intentional walks, woke up to Cohen calling the game-winning hit.

[Edgy MD]

Frayed Knot wrote: Edgy MD wrote: Can anybody make sense of Kirk Gibsons walkophilia in the ninth? Assuming you meant in the 13th inning, I didn't think it was all that out of whack.

I was really, really tired when I wrote that post.

[Edgy MD]

* The danger, of course, is that he was putting the winning run on when he walked Buck and "The Book" considers that a no-no.

That's a pretty good page in the book.

On the other hand he did it to get to a pitcher batting (no NYM options) who, if he swung away, was a GiDP candidate or, if he bunted, the 2nd out.

Well, sure, but if he doesn't, he gets a chance to pitch to Buck for the second out --- and every manager in the league knows Buck is pitchable these days, chasing outside slider after outside slider for six weeks --- and Harvey for the third out, taking the bunting option away from the pitcher. Walking Buck sets up the Bunt, Terry gets a pass out of the corner he had painted himself into.

* IW-ing Q to get to Brown is a little more suspect in that it brought the game-tying walk into play. But it also gave Collmenter a RHB to face instead of a LHB, a newbie instead of a vet, and worked around the night's hot batter for one recently in the game.

And it's not so much the game-tying walk, but it's the pitch you throw to avoid the game-tying walk. Brown is just the sort of AAA star that is dangerous in the bigs --- if you have to go after him and if you have your back end-pitchers at him.

Q was hot, no doubt, but pitch around him a little. Give you pitcher a chance to get him out without giving into him. Don't just quit on him.

Basically, it came down to --- do I want to pitch to Buck with a chance to tie the game with a single, or force them to execute a bunt successfully giving Quintanilla with a chance to win the game with a single?

Buck-for-a-single vs. Harvey-for-a-sacrifice-and-Quintanilla-for-a-single, with a bigger payoff. I take curtain #2 every time. It can probably be quantifiably measured with some reliability.

[Frayed Knot]

Howie Rose had barely finished his call on the game-winning hit when he topped it off with: '... and Kirk Gibson's got some 'splainin' to do'

[Fman99]

Went to bed when Q lined out with the bases loaded in the 11th. Nice news to wake up to today.

Anyone who watched Buck at the plate and then walked him on purpose -- twice -- should have their head examined. That's all I'm sayin.

[Fman99]

Zvon wrote:

[smg58]

Fman99 wrote: Went to bed when Q lined out with the bases loaded in the 11th. Nice news to wake up to today. Anyone who watched Buck at the plate and then walked him on purpose -- twice -- should have their head examined. That's all I'm sayin.

Gibson took overmanaging to a new level. There should be a list of basic rules about intentional walks.

One, you don't give a bad hitter a free pass.

Two, while loading the bases for a double play has some merit, filling the open base with two outs only makes sense when the batter you walk is clearly better than the guy you pitch to. Any hitter becomes more dangerous when you have no place to put him.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

I know Terry gets a fair amount of shit around here (I'm still mad about Friday) but he's better than a lot of managers out there.

[Edgy MD]

So, that "streak" of having no starting pitchers earn a win -- it's like at a month now, isn't it?

Came within one pitch.

My real problem with Terry is that he seems to accept and understand and even embrace his role as a caretaker so well that he doesn't seem to have the zeal to win the day. In that, he's like the exact opposite of what the media warned against.