Terry My Manager At Wounded Tongue

[Ceetar]

Edgy MD wrote: Let's clear this up. Surely somebody here can give Lagares a ride home.

Tejada did, but I'm sure Juan could've texted me and I would've picked him up.

[batmagadanleadoff]

I don't agree at all with how Terry handled Valdespin after his showboat HR. Terry's right though, as far as fans not knowing what goes on behind the scenes. To illustrate, I admit that I really don't know whether customary baseball practice requires that Valdespin take his retaliatory lumps as a pinch-hitter in a lost cause game on the following day. But Terry sent Valdy up against the Pirates, with the Mets on the wrong end of a 10-1 blowout, knowing to a near certainty that he'd get plunked. And if he's gonna get plunked, he could just as easily get injured. Seriously injured. Because a pitch to the upper body could easily morph, accidentally of course, into a pitch to the face. Or the cock. Just ask Valdy.

[seawolf17]

DAMMIT I WISH THIS TEAM WOULD WIN A FUCKING GAME ONCE IN A WHILE SO WE WOULDN'T BE TALKING ABOUT THIS SHIT.

This was sorta the Collins we expected, though, no? A little angry, a little crazy?

[Guest Swan Swan H]

So what would the Pirates do to this guy?

[youtube:yhocq8mt]87Tn5Hyibpk[/youtube:yhocq8mt]

[Edgy MD]

His team needed a pinch-hitter though. If he's going to plead to the trainer for a pass, that's going to undermine the rest of the team, no?

Terry could have had the foresight to offer him a pass up front on his on his own terms, for his own inscrutable reasons, I'll concede. Send up Baxter or some righthander, but it might have been too obvious.

Maybe it's sort of like the Mongkut in Anna and the King. The king wants to spare the life of the rebellious concubine, but once Anna lobbies him to do just that, he has to kill the girl instead, to demonstrate that rule is his and his alone, and he isn't weak enough to be influenced by womanly appeals.

Yeah, I'm going with that.

Gary's position was that Valdespin's celebration was as much (or more of) an insult to his Metly teammates than to the Pirates. You'd conclude from that position that his teammates supported Terry sending him out to get his rawhide medicine.

[Ceetar]

I'm more pissed that Collins wasted it in the blowout. Lead him off the next day and then pinch run with Lagares. Boom, Pirates spotting us the leadoff guy. Take that advantage.

The Pirates adherence to the stupid retaliation practice is the real problem here. Get over it and stop throwing 90 mph projectiles at human beings with the intention to hurt them.

If only there were some sort of competitive game they could play to work out their differences.

[Guest Swan Swan H]

3-2-1 Context

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Nice post by Carig. And sure enough it was the Francessa remarks that got this stupid issue into the discussion realm in the first place

[Edgy MD]

Mike Francesa. Bucket called it.

[Edgy MD]

Oh, and it was a second at-bat he asked out of. Wow.

How cool would it have been if Terry said "no good meddling kids"?

Very.

[Centerfield]

Swan Swan H wrote: So what would the Pirates do to this guy? [youtube]87Tn5Hyibpk[/youtube]

Awesome.

I'm dying here. "Of course, he might just be pointing to the Left Fielder"

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Edgy MD wrote: Oh, and it was a second at-bat he asked out of. Wow. How cool would it have been if Terry said "no good meddling kids"? Very.

Deadspin had it as right as Bucket. From the Pirate reaction to the press businesss... this is just... the stupidest, really.

[Edgy MD]

Well, I think their (dead)spin puts this more as a Met-generated shitstorm rather than a hyper-reactionary one.

(And wouldn't an actual shitstorm be a really bad place to be?)

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Not if you're a vegetable (see: Brassica Francesa). But, yeah, fair enough.

On a tangential note... love the Carig in general. (He's pretty funny on the Tweeterhighway, too.)

[G-Fafif]

Just rewatched the HR, which in real time I didn't think was that big a deal in terms of Valdy doing his usual thing because so many players in baseball don't run out of the box when they think they've gone deep. And now that I've seen it again...I still don't see what was so gol'dang unusual about it. Yeah, a little extra mustard, a disturbing trend, call Phil Mushnick, whatever. But did he high-five himself? Dance a jig? They were losing by a bunch...they're always losing by a bunch.

I was there Saturday saw him get hit, took me a moment to realize what the "purpose" was...gads, big league ballplayers are touchy. Fuck the Pirates mostly. They're offended they had to wait an extra 30 second to get to the postgame spread? Take it out on Contreras.

Collins shouldn't be in trouble over his remarks. He should be in trouble because the Mets are 42-71 in their last 113.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Yeah, I can't really say I have a problem with Terry being candid. It's actually somewhat refreshing.

[Centerfield]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Yeah, I can't really say I have a problem with Terry being candid. It's actually somewhat refreshing.

What he said.


(Am I the only one that finds that YouTube clip hilarious? I'm still dying here. Do you see the pitcher trying not to crack up? It's priceless.)

[batmagadanleadoff]

G-Fafif wrote: Just rewatched the HR, which in real time I didn't think was that big a deal in terms of Valdy doing his usual thing because so many players in baseball don't run out of the box when they think they've gone deep. And now that I've seen it again...I still don't see what was so gol'dang unusual about it. Yeah, a little extra mustard, a disturbing trend, call Phil Mushnick, whatever. But did he high-five himself? Dance a jig? They were losing by a bunch...they're always losing by a bunch. I was there Saturday saw him get hit, took me a moment to realize what the "purpose" was...gads, big league ballplayers are touchy. Fuck the Pirates mostly. They're offended they had to wait an extra 30 second to get to the postgame spread? Take it out on Contreras. Collins shouldn't be in trouble over his remarks. He should be in trouble because the Mets are 42-71 in their last 113.

I thought the same. Sammy Sosa, as just one example, spent his whole NL career, spanning hundreds of HR's, doing that revoltingly asinine bunny rabbit hop out of the batter's box, cadillacing it and also, no doubt, bungling many doubles into singles when some of his HR's turned out not to be. Jeez, I'da plunked Sosa myself if I was his own damn manager.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Yeah, I can't really say I have a problem with Terry being candid. It's actually somewhat refreshing.

Me neither. I just question the idea of sending someone up in a lost cause game, knowing he's gonna get hit. Custom? So what? Some societies mutilate the vaginas of every young female. Out of custom.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Well, Jordany's vagina was already mutilated during spring training, so at least Terry didn't have to worry about that.

[Vic Sage]

Just rewatched the HR, which in real time I didn't think was that big a deal in terms of Valdy doing his usual thing because so many players in baseball don't run out of the box when they think they've gone deep. And now that I've seen it again...I still don't see what was so gol'dang unusual about it. Yeah, a little extra mustard, a disturbing trend, call Phil Mushnick, whatever. But did he high-five himself? Dance a jig? They were losing by a bunch...they're always losing by a bunch. I was there Saturday saw him get hit, took me a moment to realize what the "purpose" was...gads, big league ballplayers are touchy. Fuck the Pirates mostly. They're offended they had to wait an extra 30 second to get to the postgame spread? Take it out on Contreras. Collins shouldn't be in trouble over his remarks. He should be in trouble because the Mets are 42-71 in their last 113

That's the point for me... the Mets had much more reason to be annoyed with him than the Bucs did. They were up 7-1... what the hell do they care if a Met wants to make a total fool of himself by cadillacing in a losing blowout, putting the spotlight on his own accomplishment during his own team's losing effort. I would totally understand why OUR pitcher would want to hit Valdy, but why the BUCs? Sure, if Valdy did it while the Mets were blowing the BUCS out, showing them up and rubbing it in, then absolutely, bombs away. But this? Just alot of "know your place, rook" bullshit.

[G-Fafif]

Well, Jordany's vagina was already mutilated during spring training, so at least Terry didn't have to worry about that.

Oh, for this to be slipped to Francesa so he could state it as fact at 5:05 this afternoon.

[Frayed Knot]

batmagadanleadoff wrote: G-Fafif wrote: Just rewatched the HR, which in real time I didn't think was that big a deal in terms of Valdy doing his usual thing because so many players in baseball don't run out of the box when they think they've gone deep. And now that I've seen it again...I still don't see what was so gol'dang unusual about it. Yeah, a little extra mustard, a disturbing trend, call Phil Mushnick, whatever. But did he high-five himself? Dance a jig? They were losing by a bunch...they're always losing by a bunch. I thought the same.

So did I.
I was surprised at the fuss Gary & Ron made over the whole thing.
Ideal behavior? No. Criminal? Hardly.

[Guest vtmet]

sometimes I wonder if the players, etc that make these unwritten baseball etiquette rules have ever watched football, basketball or hockey...what offends some of these veteran players is so vanilla compared to the shit that you see for celebrations in other sports or how guys just barely drafted out of college are immediately the most important player on a team in one of these other sports...

[Frayed Knot]

vtmet wrote: sometimes I wonder if the players, etc that make these unwritten baseball etiquette rules have ever watched football, basketball or hockey...what offends some of these veteran players is so vanilla compared to the shit that you see for celebrations in other sports or how guys just barely drafted out of college are immediately the most important player on a team in one of these other sports...

I remember seeing the a young (probably even rookie) Deion Sanders, then w/the Falcons, intercept a pass late in the 4th quarter and going preening and high-stepping his way into the end-zone like some Dancing with the Star contestant to make the score 35-7 .... AGAINST Atlanta.
I remember thinking that I'd want to kill him if I were his teammate. Except that his teammates supposedly loved the guy everywhere he went and didn't bat an eye at what many of us would consider stupid foolishness.

Different sport, different cultures.

[ashie62]

Nauseating...

[Guest vtmet]

Neon Dieon Sanders and Micheal Irvin are what finally turned me off to the NFL...I grew up a Cowboys fan, and I could semi-take it when Tom Landry got kicked to the curb because I liked Troy Aikman and Emmitt Smith...but after awhile it got hard to root for Sanders/Irvin...

[Edgy MD]

I wonder if there's video of Deion Sanders as a rookie with the Yankees when Carlton Fisk chased him down to first base... for being a disgrace to the Yankees.