RA. Dickey Trade Rumors Deserve Their Own Thread

[Gwreck]

I suppose it only matters in this context as to whether the Mets were serious about keeping Reyes (to refer back to why this was brought up in the first place).

Regardless of the nature of their offer -- whether "formal" or "written" or a "discussion" -- the takeaway is that either
1. Sandy very much misjudged the market for Reyes' services
OR
2. The Mets weren't interested in making a serious bid for Reyes' services.

[Edgy MD]

I don't know about words like "serious" or "misjudged." I just think Sandy had his ceiling and was willing to take the team's money walk away when another team went higher. What's for us to judge, I think, is whether or not he was right to walk away.

[Ceetar]

Edgy MD wrote: I don't know about words like "serious" or "misjudged." I just think Sandy had his ceiling and was willing to take the team's money walk away when another team went higher. What's for us to judge, I think, is whether or not he was right to walk away.

yeah, not a penny more than he was worth.. It seems like Sandy DID have a window to match if he really wanted to.

Same with Dickey, who could still be a Met with a signature and less money.

[Edgy MD]

RA repents, counterclaims against postulating, consummates an opinion as to his career's redemption. ruminates on timing.

There may never be another like him.

[Gwreck]

Edgy MD wrote: I don't know about words like "serious" or "misjudged." I just think Sandy had his ceiling and was willing to take the team's money walk away when another team went higher. What's for us to judge, I think, is whether or not he was right to walk away.

I wasn't really interested in relitigating the issue of whether he was right to walk away (I suppose we may not know for a few years). The point is -- and I did choose my words deliberately -- is that the Mets were either not seriously interested in retaining Reyes OR misjudged the market for his services.

Their contract negotiation strategy illustrates just that. I said "misjudged" specifically because that is the logical conclusion drawn from assuming that the Mets (truthfully) had an interest in retaining Reyes. As stated above, if Sandy had a ceiling but other team(s) were going above it, it certainly speaks to his not having an accurate understanding of the market.

[Edgy MD]

Isn't it possible that they were seriously interested, but they were just $90 million serious and not $102 million serious?

Isn't it possible that the Mets judged exactly that the Marlins were willing to pay more than that and walked away with a pile of money unspent?

I mean yeah, you can call them not signing him in the 2010-2011 offseason a misjudgment, but as to the the free agency period, what's to misjudge? They were in the marketplace, so there's no surprises. They were told the Marlins were willing to go higher and they walked away. There was no reports of shock that Reyes and his agents didn't come running back to them.

Is that the misjudgment? That they expected Reyes' asking price to come down and meet their offer?

[Guest Mets � Willets Point]

They could have offered him a tent.

[Ceetar]

I think if they fired Omar one season earlier Alderson would've seen, evaluated, and extended Reyes for roughly what he was willing to offer in free agency.

[Edgy MD]

I dunno. I mean, Reyes had a track record, and the Mets had plenty of holdover personnel with reams of files on him.

The question that remained was whether his health-impeded seasons would continue. He had totaled 169 games total over the two previous years, with a .750 OPS. I think what kept Sandy aloof was concern about whether that was the player he was becoming. I think that concern would have been there had Sandy been aboard a year earlier. It would have been for me, at any rate.

[Ceetar]

Edgy MD wrote: I dunno. I mean, Reyes had a track record, and the Mets had plenty of holdover personnel with reams of files on him. The question that remained was whether his health-impeded seasons would continue. He had totaled 169 games total over the two previous years, with a .750 OPS. I think what kept Sandy aloof was concern about whether that was the player he was becoming. I think that concern would have been there had Sandy been aboard a year earlier. It would have been for me, at any rate.

maybe. it's really water under the bridge at this point anyway, but it seemed like maybe with a little more time to get to know him, really read his medical records, have a couple of meetings on it, etc, maybe things go differently. He had about a billion things to do and then was suddenly stripped of all financial flexibility shortly after taking the job.

[ashie62]

Ironically, small market Toronto is willing to pay both R.A. and Reyes.

[Gwreck]

Toronto as small market is a total myth. There are 2.6 million people in the city. It is the largest MLB city with only one team.

[Edgy MD]

They have five and a half million in the greater Toronto area and it's growing.

[ashie62]

Much smaller than NY

This entire endgame with Dickey smells to high heaven. Davidoff, the Xmas party bs...just plain wierd..

[Frayed Knot]

Even if one wants to argue against the trade that was eventually made, there were numerous, logical reasons for making it, reasons which existed well before Xmas parties or Davidoff's sudden chattiness. Hell, Keith was talking during a game in late August/early Sept and said that he reached the conclusion that the most logical way he could think of to improve the team overall was to trade Dickey.
That doesn't mean every fan has to like it, but it also doesn't mean that the reasons behind it were all underhanded and suspicious.

[Edgy MD]

Not all that is smaller than New York is a small market.

They're now the home team for all of Canada, for goodness sake.

[Edgy MD]

So, was this the acceptable package that the Mets announced they had last week? Was this a package that came in and topped that? Was this the acceptable package augmented with a some Wiulmer sauce to hold off other bidders?

[nymr83]

The Reyes contract was ALREADY bad for Miami, whether it turns out bad for Toronto too remains to be seen.

[Ceetar]

Nymr83 wrote: The Reyes contract was ALREADY bad for Miami, whether it turns out bad for Toronto too remains to be seen.

one could argue the Marlins got exactly what they wanted out of that contract.

[Guest Mets � Willets Point]

And the Canadian dollar is stronger than ever.

[Ceetar]

Mets � Willets Point wrote: And the Canadian dollar is stronger than ever.

practically equiv as it's been for a year or two. would be a good time to start a "North American" currency like the Euro?

[Guest Swan Swan H]

Davidoff's response to the brouhaha, the imbroglio, the ruckus caused by his anti-Dickey piece in the Post.

I guess the part of this that I don't understand is how many people immediately perceived the piece as a plant by Mets management. I never saw Davidoff as a mouthpiece for the Wilpons. Am I wrong?

[Benjamin Grimm]

The Wilpons are the opposite of Teflon. Everything bad sticks to them. (Sometimes with merit, but sometimes without.)

[Chad ochoseis]

Ceetar wrote: Mets � Willets Point wrote: And the Canadian dollar is stronger than ever. practically equiv as it's been for a year or two. would be a good time to start a "North American" currency like the Euro?

We'd have to have agreement on banking and monetary regulations. Ain't gonna happen. Besides that, would anyone want a world without purple ten dollar bills?

[Ceetar]

Swan Swan H wrote: Davidoff's response to the brouhaha, the imbroglio, the ruckus caused by his anti-Dickey piece in the Post. I guess the part of this that I don't understand is how many people immediately perceived the piece as a plant by Mets management. I never saw Davidoff as a mouthpiece for the Wilpons. Am I wrong?

Some people are broken records. They have a narrative and every 'incident' can be shoe-horned into it.


This piece absolves the media of all blame for even asking the questions, because it was their job and they're acting on behalf the fans.

Where that fails is that A. if getting this information to the fans is part of the job, it's ALSO part of Dickey's job. If he fails to answer he's ducking the media but if he answers it's not the place for it? come on.

and B. It's not like this was the one and only chance for us as fans to hear anything about Dickey's side of the negotiation. He's suggesting if they didn't ask then we'd have no idea what was going on.

[Ceetar]

Chad Ochoseis wrote: Ceetar wrote: Mets � Willets Point wrote: And the Canadian dollar is stronger than ever. practically equiv as it's been for a year or two. would be a good time to start a "North American" currency like the Euro? We'd have to have agreement on banking and monetary regulations. Ain't gonna happen. Besides that, would anyone want a world without purple ten dollar bills?

I'll drop the purple bills for one with Dickey's face on it.

[Guest Mets � Willets Point]

Ceetar wrote: Ceetar wrote: Mets � Willets Point wrote: And the Canadian dollar is stronger than ever. practically equiv as it's been for a year or two. would be a good time to start a "North American" currency like the Euro? We'd have to have agreement on banking and monetary regulations. Ain't gonna happen. Besides that, would anyone want a world without purple ten dollar bills? I'll drop the purple bills for one with Dickey's face on it.

Someone with photoshop get working on this NOW!!!!

[Ceetar]

Mets � Willets Point wrote: Mets � Willets Point wrote: And the Canadian dollar is stronger than ever. practically equiv as it's been for a year or two. would be a good time to start a "North American" currency like the Euro? We'd have to have agreement on banking and monetary regulations. Ain't gonna happen. Besides that, would anyone want a world without purple ten dollar bills? I'll drop the purple bills for one with Dickey's face on it. Someone with photoshop get working on this NOW!!!!

would be a good candidate for Amazin' Avenue's goodbye Dickeyface contest

http://www.amazinavenue.com/2012/12/18/3779274/the-amazin-avenue-r-a-dickey-face-contest-strikes-back

[Frayed Knot]

Ceetar wrote: Mets � Willets Point wrote: And the Canadian dollar is stronger than ever. practically equiv as it's been for a year or two. would be a good time to start a "North American" currency like the Euro?

And look how well that's worked out for Europe!

[duan]

Frayed Knot wrote: Ceetar wrote: Mets � Willets Point wrote: And the Canadian dollar is stronger than ever. practically equiv as it's been for a year or two. would be a good time to start a "North American" currency like the Euro? And look how well that's worked out for Europe!

well if it weren't for Lehman Bros ......