Dead Tradeline 2011

[TransMonk]

Frankie said...relax. He's open to discussing the waiver of the option if the trading team is open to discussing a contract extention.

[HahnSolo]

There's some big ifs there. I'll believe it when I see it.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

metirish wrote: John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I got 50 Cranes on Capuano at those odds. this is how we reel you in you know?

And a damn fine job you did.

I'll go 50 on Capuano... and I'll go for 20 on Murph and 10 on Turner as a surprise toss-in to a Beltran or Rodriguez trade.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

"I have a well-structured sense of humor, but I need laughs now."

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Trackie reports this morning that Sandy is shopping Jizzringhausen, Byrdak and Rodriguez.

Wouldn't miss any of them.

Hey'd ya see where we signed 40-y.o. Miguel Batista and tossed him onto the Buff roster?

[Guest Edgy DC]

Missed it.

I'm guessing they're maybe looking at Capuano as bullpen lefty if and when they get Johan back. O'Connor hasn't been pitching well. Tankersley hasn't done well all year. Hampson is a possibility.

[MFS62]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Hey'd ya see where we signed 40-y.o. Miguel Batista and tossed him onto the Buff roster?

He got lit up for 4ER in 1/3 IP in his first appearance for the Herd. He's gotta' have more left in the tank. Right???

Later

[Benjamin Grimm]

I read that they signed him to fill in some innings for the Bisons, and not with Flushing in mind, unless there's an emergency need for a spot starter.

[MFS62]

Lester got hurt for the RedSox last night, the estimate is 2-4 weeks right now. Buchholz is already on the DL. Dice-K is out with Tommy John surgery. A call to Boston might be in order.
Later

[seawolf17]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I read that they signed him to fill in some innings for the Bisons, and not with Flushing in mind, unless there's an emergency need for a spot starter.

He's 40 years old and has started exactly two games since 2008. If it gets that bad, we're in serious trouble.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Second Wolf.

Batista = Lima Time 2011.

[Benjamin Grimm]

I don't know about "serious trouble." A spot start is when you need somebody for one day, maybe when there are back-to-back doubleheaders after a few rainouts or something like that. It's when you reach down to AAA to get whichever starter is rested and available.

If he's needed to join the rotation, then yeah, it's a bad sign. But for one start? Not so much?

(This raises the question, though. Who is the sixth starter on the Mets depth chart right now? Carrasco? If they had to summon someone from Buffalo, who would it be? Misch?)

[Ceetar]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I don't know about "serious trouble." A spot start is when you need somebody for one day, maybe when there are back-to-back doubleheaders after a few rainouts or something like that. It's when you reach down to AAA to get whichever starter is rested and available. If he's needed to join the rotation, then yeah, it's a bad sign. But for one start? Not so much? (This raises the question, though. Who is the sixth starter on the Mets depth chart right now? Carrasco? If they had to summon someone from Buffalo, who would it be? Misch?)

Schwinden's been floated, but he's not on the 40man.

[DocTee]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I read that they signed him to fill in some innings for the Bisons, and not with Flushing in mind, unless there's an emergency need for a spot starter. He's 40 years old and has started exactly two games since 2008. If it gets that bad, we're in serious trouble.

MB was a member of the last Pittsburgh team to post a winning record-- 19 years ago. Pass.

[Guest Edgy DC]

I'm fine iwth Carrasco, but Dylan Owen is viable too.

Options abound, but this isn't what the thread is about.

[Ceetar]

Edgy DC wrote: I'm fine iwth Carrasco, but Dylan Owen is viable too. Options abound, but this isn't what the thread is about.

tangentially, if we're talking about trading relievers and replacing them with guys from the minors. Or even trading Capuano (seen Pelfrey tossed about too, but hard to tell if that's just because he's taken the Ollie/Castillo role on this team). And presumably trading a guy opens up a 40 man spot if you're trading for prospects, so you could add Schwinden then, who'd be the third Chris to make a start for the Mets this year.

[Guest Edgy DC]

I don't advocate for trading Pelfrey (or anybody), but I have noted that trading him as a serious option, if you're in the trading business. His performance has stagnated, but his salary is about to get large. On the other side, he's healthy and strong and impressive enough when on to be diserable to a team who thinks they're one starting pitcher away.

Salary dolllars are dear things for the Mets right now. I invoke him merely to be prepared should he depart.

[ashie62]

Mike Cameron, 38 now, takes his .149 BA to the Marlins..he can retire in Florida.

[metirish]

metirish wrote: my man in Ireland Staff going over the odds with the team nearly ten out in the division and nearly six games out and seven teams behind in the WC the Mets should be sellers Odds on current roster of players getting traded PITCHERS Manny Acosta - 4/1 - Manny who is the response from a lot of people Pedro Beato - 50/1 - not going anywhere Tim Byrdak - 2/1 - lefties are always hot property in the bookies shop Chris Capuano - 5/1 tough call what with his nagging injuries , gets through his next two starts odds cut dramatically D.J. Carrasco - 3/1 - look for him on a west coast team R.A. Dickey - 10/1 - hard to see him going really , especially as it was this front office that gave him the contract. Dillon Gee - 50/1 - nowhere baby Jason Isringhausen - 1/2 , if he stays healthy he's gone Jon Niese - 50/1 nowhere baby Bobby Parnell - 30/1 - not going Mike Pelfrey - 7/1 could go easily with the right offer Francisco Rodriguez - 1/2 he wants to go , front office wants him to go, gone baby gone CATCHERS Ronny Paulino - 2/1 - see ya.....in the Bronx? Josh Thole - 100/1 INFIELDERS Daniel Murphy - 100/1 - who'd take him? Jose Reyes - 3/1 generous odds , a lot of money in from Asia(Wilpon?) Ruben Tejada - 100/1 - Justin Turner - 100/1 OUTFIELDERS Jason Bay - 50/1 unless Mets pay most of his salary he's going nowhere just like his power swing. Carlos Beltran - 2/1 - a lot of teams would want him Lucas Duda - 100/1 - odds he'll be in Buffalo - 1/2 Scott Hairston - 2/1 - I'm sure someone will take him Willie Harris - 5/1 not sure anyone will take him Angel Pagan - 50/1 - Jason Pridie - 50/1

Farmer ted talk has the odds on Beltran slashed to 1/2 on.....the Rangers look likely suitors says the farmer.

[Gwreck]

Some Beltran thoughts from Buster Olney:

Before Sandy Alderson closed out his deal with the Milwaukee Brewers, he made one last round of calls to other teams, diligently checking to see which team would give him the best financial deal in the salary dump of Francisco Rodriguez. He would've loved 50 cents on the dollar, but in the end, he wound up getting about 40 cents on the dollar from the Brewers, in order to run out from underneath the onerous $17.5 million contract option that scared everyone. But the Mets are giving off a very different vibe in their early discussions about Carlos Beltran, according to sources. The Mets believe they have the best available outfielder in a mediocre market for offensive players and are aiming to land a top prospect -- and they have indicated that they will keep the slugger until they get exactly what they want. It remains to be seen if the Mets' strategy can pay off, or if their early pre-trade deadline stance on Beltran will change. And as they begin to get deeper into discussions with the six or seven teams that have expressed serious interest, a major hurdle will be how much of the money still owed to Beltran -- about $8 million, at this point -- will be paid off by the Mets. But the Mets fully intend to get a prime prospect for Beltran and believe that some team in need of an upgrade will eventually submit to their demands because of Beltran's potential to impact a lineup. To review, Beltran's first-half numbers: .285 batting average, .377 on-base percentage, .503 slugging average. He has played in 89 games this year, eliminating doubts about whether he can hold up in 2011, and rival executives know that he is eligible for free agency in the fall and has every reason to thrive and remain in the everyday lineup. Beltran is hitting .337 with runners in scoring position and has a 1.020 OPS in those situations, which ranks 13th in the majors. The Giants would love to have him. He could help the Red Sox, although some executives wonder how Boston would fit him into its payroll without paying the luxury tax the team's owners work to avoid. The Yankees are not interested, but perhaps the Tigers are, and they have always been known to be more aggressive than most teams and not shy about taking on a big contract. Beltran could provide for the Rays the kind of offense they had hoped to get out of Manny Ramirez. The Indians aren't limiting themselves to small-budget options, and if the Braves got serious about Beltran, they'd be in position to offer a wider range of pitching prospects than any other team (and the fact that Alderson was willing to deal K-Rod to the Yankees tells you he's not concerned about dealing his assets to perceived rivals, if he thinks the trade works well for his side.) Beltran would fit the Pirates; heck, the way he's playing, he'd fit almost any team. And this is why the Mets have let it be known to other teams: Beltran will cost you, and if you don't want to say yes to our demands, we believe some other team will, and we will wait for that moment.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Go, Sandy.

Can't remember the last time the Mets had a hammer in negotiations. You know, aside from the Nick Evans contract, etc.

[Ceetar]

It also appears to me, that Alderson isn't afraid to not trade him either. If the Mets gain 2+ games on the Braves in the next two weeks, if the crap they get back isn't worth it. Maybe that's just a ploy to make him not sound desperate, but still.

It's also nice to see that Terry said something like "If players feel like the K-Rod trade is the organization giving up, and they stop giving it their all, they'll find someone else to take that spot."

[Guest Edgy DC]

I don't think they're being offered crap.

Sandy has been repeatedly explicit that the team isn't waiving a white flag, and I expect him to hang onto Beltran as long as he can, and give the SHaMs a chance to earn Beltran's continued pressence. it's possible that he panics and is afraid his best offer is falling off the table, but I hope not.

[Gwreck]

Ceetar wrote: the crap they get back

The whole point is that Beltran is only going if they can get something OTHER than crap back.

[Ceetar]

Gwreck wrote: Ceetar wrote: the crap they get back The whole point is that Beltran is only going if they can get something OTHER than crap back.

Hard to tell what's a genuine leak and what's rumor and crap. There are certainly those saying the Mets _have_ to trade Beltran no matter what since they won't get draft picks.

And hey, maybe 2 pretty pathetic 'prospects' is better than nothing if the Mets lose 5 games in the standings before August (not that I expect that)

[Guest Edgy DC]

Your optimism defintely doesn't see to apply to trade acquisitions.

[TransMonk]

Buster Onley wrote: But the Mets are giving off a very different vibe in their early discussions about Carlos Beltran, according to sources. The Mets believe they have the best available outfielder in a mediocre market for offensive players and are aiming to land a top prospect -- and they have indicated that they will keep the slugger until they get exactly what they want.

This attitude is awesome. it's really nice to be in this position.

[Ceetar]

Edgy DC wrote: Your optimism defintely doesn't see to apply to trade acquisitions.

Should it? How can you realistically analyze a trade before it happens?

[Guest Edgy DC]

How can you realistically analyze a game before it happens? I guess you start by analyzing the positions the parties are working from. Realism and optimism make for challenging bedfellows. Optimism, I gather, is almsot all about your attitude toward something that hasn't happened yet.

[Ceetar]

Edgy DC wrote: How can you realistically analyze a game before it happens? I guess you start by analyzing the positions the parties are working from. Realism and optimism make for challenging bedfellows. Optimism, I gather, is almsot all about your attitude toward something that hasn't happened yet.

well the game I know the players do I not? I can look at a statsheet and note that Daniel Murphy is trending upwards, etc.

There's just too many unknowns for trades. What's Alderson actually thinking that he doesn't tell anyone? Which team are we talking about? Is it now or in the offseason? Is the trade made with this year in mind? next year? just a dump of a player?

And I don't really think I was being negative about it? I was suggesting I don't think that Alderson will trade Beltran for crap. And doesn't being optimistic that the Mets get a good haul mean being pessimistic about the Mets chances over the next two weeks?