Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Jeff Wilpon said if he can't sign Jose Reyes he'll paint him blue.

[TransMonk]

Rubin wrote: "We're not going to punt 2012 if Jose doesn't re-sign," Alderson said.

The Mets have been irrelevant for the past 3 years with both Reyes and Wright around. With payroll being cut, how can 2012 not already be a punt with or without Reyes?

Alderson's grace period is fading. I'm getting ready to start asking to see the plan again. I have a feeling the Mets are going to shit in my shoe and call it a sundae.

[Ceetar]

TransMonk wrote: Rubin wrote: "We're not going to punt 2012 if Jose doesn't re-sign," Alderson said. The Mets have been irrelevant for the past 3 years with both Reyes and Wright around. With payroll being cut, how can 2012 not already be a punt with or without Reyes? Alderson's grace period is fading. I'm getting ready to start asking to see the plan again. I have a feeling the Mets are going to shit in my shoe and call it a sundae.

Well, with Reyes, they do have a shot at increasing payroll on the field for next year.(Castillo, Perez, Santana knock down what the Mets actually fielded..) Theoretically that will make them better next year. With a good pickup, coupled with hopefully more health and hopefully some growth from guys like Duda and Thole, they can certainly compete.

But his grace period is over. If they let Reyes get away, especially if they don't then go out and add more pieces to compensate...
Then they better just come out and say they're not trying to compete and are in a holding pattern until somehow they get lucky with prospects/money. At least they'd be honest. The 'projected payroll' has gone down every month since Alderson's taken over.

[batmagadanleadoff]

TransMonk wrote: I have a feeling the Mets are going to shit in my shoe and call it a sundae.

Why would you say that? It's not like Wilpon's Mets ever did that before.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Ceetar wrote: wouldn't be Rubin if he didn't dampen hopes. Of course, Sandy says they have an uncomfortable range for Reyes. But that doesn't mean they won't do it, even if it makes them uncomfortable. He never says unreachable. He points out that Reyes doesn't affect the other signings. He mentions flexibility for mid-season acquisions (something you don't do when you're just planning on cutting payroll and riding it out)

Yes, Virginia.....

[batmagadanleadoff]

Ceetar wrote: But [Alderson's] grace period is over. If they let Reyes get away, especially if they don't then go out and add more pieces to compensate...

What a load of shit Alderson'll turn out to be if Reyes leaves and the Mets can't then get 2012's batting champ on $40M less in overall payroll.

[G-Fafif]

TransMonk wrote: the Mets are going to shit in my shoe and call it a sundae.

I've see you've gotten a look at the Mets' 2012 preliminary promotional schedule, too.

[Gwreck]

"We're not going to punt 2012 if Jose doesn't re-sign," Alderson said.

Please don't fucking lie to us. Are you going to replace him with Jimmy Rollins? Sign a different premium free agent (Pujols, Fielder, Wilson)? No, I didn't think so. Reyes was 5.8 WAR and Beltran was 3.4 and the Mets still won only 77 games.

I [crossout]am more than happy to give[/crossout] will tolerate giving Alderson another 2-4 years to rebuild the farm system, clear bad contracts and find a way to make the Mets a consistent winner but let's at least be honest about it, no?

Edited October 31, 2011 by Guest

[ashie62]

It seems like the Mets are going out of their way not to be competitive regarding Jose and Alderson's Mantra seems to be cut cut cut! Payroll.

OF is still Bay Pagan Duda

INF Wright Tejada Turner Davis

c Thole

Thats a punt folks.

Edited October 31, 2011 by Guest

[ashie62]

Gwreck wrote: "We're not going to punt 2012 if Jose doesn't re-sign," Alderson said. Please don't fucking lie to us. Are you going to replace him with Jimmy Rollins? Sign a different premium free agent (Pujols, Fielder, Wilson)? No, I didn't think so. Reyes was 5.8 WAR and Beltran was 3.4 and the Mets still won only 77 games. I am more than happy to give Alderson another 2-4 years to rebuild the farm system, clear bad contracts and find a way to make the Mets a consistent winner but let's at least be honest about it, no?

Ask Seaver about the Mets and honesty.

[Edgy MD]

Yeah, well, I'm not punting.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Ashie62 wrote: OF is still Bay Pagan Duda INF Wright Tejada Turner Davi c Thole Thats a punt folks.

Really? The Mets have finished their offseason moves? Already?

[G-Fafif]

There's at least a little ways to go prior to Opening Day.

[Edgy MD]

Well, that's a shame. Guys competing for the earliest quit ever.

Paint's not even dry on the shiny new walls.

[TransMonk]

C'mon. Punting is a strategic move designed to give up less favorable opportunities in the present in order to have the possibility of better opportunities in the future. I don't consider it quitting, just being realistic.

I'm just not sure I trust the line that Alderson is giving in that quote.

[Ceetar]

TransMonk wrote: C'mon. Punting is a strategic move designed to give up less favorable opportunities in the present in order to have the possibility of better opportunities in the future. I don't consider it quitting, just being realistic. I'm just not sure I trust the line that Alderson is giving in that quote.

Isn't there some division B coach in football somewhere that never punts because he's calculated that it's almost always better to go for it?

either way, if the Mets let Reyes get away, the only option the Mets might have besides punting is a hail mary and then hoping to recover an onside kick.

[Edgy MD]

Well, really, then, why should you care? Either they punt and not tell you or they punt and do. Same team either way. We're adults.

It's not like I know of any team in history that has announced before November 1st that they don't intend to compete the next season.

[Gwreck]

We all know that. The objectionable part is how it was presented. Alderson would do far better to give a noncomittal quote and point out that it's a long offseason with many things to be decided than to start entertaining (publicly, at least) what happens if Reyes isn't resigned.

[Edgy MD]

Well, that doesn't seem to be what folks are objecting to. But I imagine he is regularly being asked what will happen if Reyes doesn't re-sign.

I think he was plenty non-committal.

[Centerfield]

Alderson fucked up last season by not re-upping Jose when he had the chance.

If Jose walks it's pitchforks and torches time.

[TransMonk]

Edgy DC wrote: Well, that doesn't seem to be what folks are objecting to.

Really? That's exactly what I'm objecting to.

I'm OK with having a modest payroll budget. I'm honestly OK with letting Reyes walk if the deal is too expensive or too long of a commitment for Sandy's liking. I'm OK with a youth movement and building the farm while we wait out the enormous Bay and Santana contacts.

There is a difference between "punting" and "quitting".

[Edgy MD]

Well, I guess I don't know what we're talking about. Folks seem to be explicitly objecting to Alderson saying "we're not going to punt" --- not to how he presented his position, but that position itself.

It all seems pretty much the same to me.

Punting = a football team giving up completely on a drive to hopefully put themselves in better position for a future drive down the road.

Baseball GM's apparent metaphorical equivalent of punting = giving up completely on a season to hopefully put his team in better position for a future drive down the road.

Quittting = giving up completely on this coming season.

Meanwhile, it's November first.

[Benjamin Grimm]

I don't think they're going to "give up completely." I think they'll make the team as good as they can, within their current constraints, and hope that they catch some breaks, and if the team is competitive going into the summer, they'll buy up.

Do I think their best team will be good enough? No, I think it's unlikely. But I wouldn't call it "giving up completely."

[Edgy MD]

Certainly.

[TransMonk]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: But I wouldn't call it "giving up completely."

No one else is calling it that either...except Edgy.

[Edgy MD]

Yeah, I wrote really carefully above. If I'm somehow making something up, what does punting in fact mean?

[TransMonk]

[crossout:3qatetqj]Giving up completely on this coming season[/crossout:3qatetqj] Going with some cheaper and/or younger players to hopefully put his team in better position for a future drive down the road.

If I had given up completely, I wouldn't be here.

I'm not going to continue to argue what Alderson meant by his shitty metaphor. I agree with what BG said above and wish Alderson would have said something closer to that. The way Sandy framed his answer...it comes off to me as disingenuous considering what he has to work with...but what else is he going to say, I guess?

He should hire BG to go over his presser notes for him.

[Edgy MD]

Well, if you're not going to continue to argue about "We're not going to punt," except to call it "shitty," I remain perplexed as to what's so objectionable about it. You're not giving up completely on the season, and he's not giving up completely on the season. There should be no problem.

I think he said the same thing last year.

[Benjamin Grimm]

If there's anything that bugs me, it's that I let myself have the impression that 2011 would be the one "punt" year and that the Mets would be ready to go to town in 2012. I don't know if that was my own faulty assumption, or if I got that impression from the Mets.

I think it's the latter, but like I said, I'm not certain.

[TransMonk]

Edgy DC wrote: I remain perplexed as to what's so objectionable about it.

I guess I'd like to know what his definition of not punting is...specifically.

But like you said, it's early.