2011 Hall of Fame Ballot

[TransMonk]

Roberto Alomar
Carlos Baerga
Jeff Bagwell
Harold Baines
Bert Blyleven
Bret Boone
Kevin Brown
John Franco
Juan Gonzalez
Marquis Grissom
Lenny Harris
Bobby Higginson
Charles Johnson
Barry Larkin
Al Leiter
Edgar Martinez
Tino Martinez
Don Mattingly
Fred McGriff
Mark McGwire
Raul Mondesi
Jack Morris
Dale Murphy
John Olerud
Rafael Palmeiro
Dave Parker
Tim Raines
Kirk Rueter
Benito Santiago
Lee Smith
B.J. Surhoff
Alan Trammell
Larry Walker

[Guest Edgy DC]

A lot of solid players.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Is this the first time around for Bagwell?

[seawolf17]

I thought we already did this, no? Anyway, here are my ten. (I always vote for ten.)

Roberto Alomar
Bert Blyleven
Barry Larkin
Edgar Martinez
Jack Morris
Dale Murphy
Dave Parker
Tim Raines
Alan Trammell
Larry Walker

Bagwell was my last cut.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Me, I would never vote for ten. At most, one or two.

[G-Fafif]

The parochial perspective:

Roberto Alomar: Met
Carlos Baerga: Met
Bret Boone: Brief Spring Training Met
Kevin Brown: Same Name as Met
John Franco: Met
Juan Gonzalez: Rumored Met
Lenny Harris: Met
Bobby Higginson: Rumored Met
Charles Johnson: Paper Met
Barry Larkin: Vetoed Met
Al Leiter: Met
John Olerud: Met
Rafael Palmeiro: Drafted Met
Benito Santiago: Late Career Minor League Met
B.J. Surhoff: Pursued by Mets as Free Agent

[Vic Sage]

[u:200erkvo]Yes:[/u:200erkvo]
Roberto Alomar
Jeff Bagwell
Tim Raines
Barry Larkin
Bert Blyleven

[u:200erkvo]Would have said "Yes", But...[/u:200erkvo]
Rafael Palmeiro *
Mark McGwire *

[u:200erkvo]borderline:[/u:200erkvo]
Edgar Martinez **
Larry Walker
Alan Trammell
Lee Smith
Jack Morris
Dale Murphy
Dave Parker
Fred McGriff

[u:200erkvo]Pros, but no:[/u:200erkvo]
John Franco
Don Mattingly
Kevin Brown
Juan Gonzalez *
Harold Baines **
John Olerud
Carlos Baerga
Bret Boone
Al Leiter
Tino Martinez
Benito Santiago

[u:200erkvo]Bye:[/u:200erkvo]
Raul Mondesi
Marquis Grissom
Lenny Harris
Bobby Higginson
Charles Johnson
Kirk Rueter
B.J. Surhoff

* = steroids
** = DH

Edited November 29, 2010 by Guest

[Guest Edgy DC]

I'm giong with Kirk Rueter and him alone.

[TransMonk]

seawolf17 wrote: I thought we already did this, no?

Accoring to Yahoo!, the official ballot was just announced today.
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-halloffameballot

My list is very close to Vic's, but I let Edgar Martinez in.

[Vic Sage]

I would vote in Martinez, too... i just think he'll be wrongly penalized for playing the position they assigned to him. He'll at least have to wait a while.

[Valadius]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Is this the first time around for Bagwell?

Yes.

[Vic Sage]

listed by HOF monitor ranking
(>100 = likely HOFer)

Roberto Alomar - 194
Rafael Palmeiro * - 178
Mark McGwire * - 170
Jeff Bagwell - 150
Larry Walker - 147
Lee Smith*** - 135
Don Mattingly - 134
Edgar Martinez ** - 132
Dave Parker - 124
John Franco*** - 124
Jack Morris - 122
Bert Blyleven - 120

Juan Gonzalez * - 120
Barry Larkin - 118
Alan Trammell - 118
Dale Murphy - 116
Fred McGriff -100
---
Benito Santiago - 94
Kevin Brown - 93
Tim Raines - 90

* = steroids
** = DH
*** = reliever

[Vic Sage]

[u:ves35the]my short list:[/u:ves35the]
new guys -- alomar / bagwell
holdovers -- Blyleven / Raines

[Guest sharpie]

My list and Vic's short list are the same.

[Gwreck]

Alomar
Bagwell
Blyleven
Edgar Martinez
McGwire
Palmeiro
Raines

[Gwreck]

Vic Sage wrote: * = steroids

I'm sorry, how do you know that Juan Gonzalez used steroids but Roberto Alomar did not?

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

I'm more "meh" on Gonzalez because his offensive value was good-not-great, and he added nothing defensively or on the basepaths.

Roberto Alomar
Jeff Bagwell
Bert Blyleven
Barry Larkin
Edgar Martinez
Mark McGwire
Tim Raines
Alan Trammell

If it's to be a big Hall, let's get everyone in there that should be there, eh? Taking defense into account, Larkin is maybe a top-5 shortstop, all-time, and Trammell slouches toward the top 10.

[Guest Rockin' Doc]

I would vote for Alomar, Bagwell, Raines, Blyleven, and Walker.

[ashie62]

Alomar
McGriff
McGwire

[Guest Edgy DC]

Gwreck wrote: Vic Sage wrote: * = steroids I'm sorry, how do you know that Juan Gonzalez used steroids but Roberto Alomar did not?

Gonzalez has some damning but not conclusive evidence against him in the Mitchell Report.

[Frayed Knot]

Roberto Alomar
Jeff Bagwell
Bert Blyleven
Tim Raines

I'm betting that neither Alomar or Bagwell gets in this time although both eventually will.
Both are first-timers and between the stupid phobia some voters have against newbies and the stunted end of the careers for both of them I think they'll be made to wait. Maybe that opens things up for Blyleven & Raines, I dunno.

[Gwreck]

Alomar was a first-timer last year and missed by like 8 votes or something.

[Gwreck]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Me, I would never vote for ten. At most, one or two.

Who would you have left out in 1999? Ryan, Yount, Brett or Fisk?

[Frayed Knot]

Gwreck wrote: Alomar was a first-timer last year and missed by like 8 votes or something.

In that case he probably does make it.

[Gwreck]

I seem to recall Marty N. following your predicted outcome exactly -- he planned to vote for Alomar, but not in the first year. (Although I think he wanted to "wait" because of the spitting incident).

[Gwreck]

Edgy DC wrote: Gonzalez has some damning but not conclusive evidence against him in the Mitchell Report.

Well sure, but that doesn't answer the original question.

Disclaimer: I know I bring up this argument, or a variant thereof, on an annual basis in this thread. But so long as we're assigning asterisks I don't think it's out of place.

[Guest Edgy DC]

You take what you know and draw conclusions with it, just like every year. Alomar is immaterial as to what is known about Gonzalez.

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

Gwreck wrote: Vic Sage wrote: * = steroids I'm sorry, how do you know that Juan Gonzalez used steroids but Roberto Alomar did not?

Because Roberto Alomar was a Met. No Mets has used steroids, and every Yankee does. I live in a very happy little world.

[Valadius]

My ballot:

Alomar
Bagwell
Blyleven
Larkin
E. Martinez
McGwire
Palmeiro
Raines
Trammell
Walker

Unfortunately, thanks to the stinginess of Hall voters, we've got a very crowded ballot. It's going to get even worse when the mega-class of two years from now comes up and we haven't put a big chunk of the players up this year in - some deserving names will likely fall off the ballot altogether. Fortunately, nobody up for the first time next year is Hall-worthy.

[Fman99]

Alomar
Bagwell
Raines
Blyleven

I'm looking forward to Alomar's induction, when he spits on Lou Brock and gives an STD to the lukewarm corpse of Ernie Banks.