Jose Reyes dances all crazy + his hat is 2 big... trade him?

[Centerfield]

Edgy DC wrote: Centerfield wrote: 10 per year, 3 years. I wish that could get it done. But I think that's the offer that gets us an unhappy shorstop. I imagine he's going to be asking for something more like six and $108 million. I'd be surprised if we could get him for six and 90.

Seriously? The guy has posted an OPS over .800 only twice, is coming off a down year, and was injured for the majority of the prior year. Do you really think he's going to be asking for 6 years, 18 per?

I guess if he does that, then you have to walk. But I'd at least start the conversation.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Edgy DC wrote: Alderson's stated clearly that he's waiting until spring to get an offer on the table, not until fall.

Really? I don't think I caught where he said that. If that's true, though, I'm pleased.

My guess at a contract would be $72 million over five years.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Edgy DC wrote: It's about respect. By the time you get that second offer on the table, Reyes' reps have walked out on you and he's ripped you to pieces in the press. "He thinks he's in Oakland! He thinks he's in San Diego! Those teams let people go when they've earned their money, and they never finish building their team! I've earned my money! I've shown what I can do! If he wants to let me go, then that's his decision, but that sort of management won't work here! I've been here for seven years, and I've earned more respect than to receive such an insulting offer. How long has he been here? I love this city and these fans and intend to show them all I can do with a monster season, but that's a tough insult to take. It's hard to get past." "I've seen lesser players than me get their paydays here. I'm not naming names --- cough! -- but they come and some play good and some play not so good. But they get their payday. And I think, be paitient, you'll get yours. Maybe I will, but it seems maybe somewher else. It's disappointing." "Professor Reyes has taken a few economics classes, you know?"

Greenberg doesn't seem to go that route that quickly. Besides...

COUNTERPOINT: Past two seasons. 169 games played. Three different ailments (including one apparently recurrent one). Lowest on-base percentage since his first year.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Vic Sage wrote: did reyes suffer another injury i'm unaware of? Did he finish the season relatively healthy (for him), or stumble to the finish? I really don't remember, because i've blacked last season completely out of my memory. assuming relative health / avg-decent finish, what exactly is gained by "waiting to see" in ST? what is Sandy going to see, exactly? Whether Jose will make it thru next August? Unknowable. Whether he's got a limp? that would've been clear at the end of last season, no? i don't get it.

I don't know if the debate is now vs. spring training so much as before the season vs. after.

One thing not being acknowledged is that he's already signed for this year.

[Ceetar]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: "Professor Reyes has taken a few economics classes, you know?" Greenberg doesn't seem to go that route that quickly. Besides... COUNTERPOINT: Past two seasons. 169 games played. Three different ailments (including one apparently recurrent one). Lowest on-base percentage since his first year.

Oblique was so minor, that at worst it was a 15 day DL stint. that's barely worse than getting the flu. He's healthy, I don't knwo that we worry about the Thyroid that much, especially as it hasn't recurred and he had weekly blood tests all year.

given the no spring training and the mismanagement with the oblique in the middle and his timing because of it, I think 2010 represents his "roll out of bed" numbers, and frankly, was still one of the top 5 SS in the game.

[seawolf17]

metirish wrote: five years $90 million

This is closer to what I'm thinking, yes.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Centerfield wrote: Centerfield wrote: 10 per year, 3 years. I wish that could get it done. But I think that's the offer that gets us an unhappy shorstop. I imagine he's going to be asking for something more like six and $108 million. I'd be surprised if we could get him for six and 90. Seriously? The guy has posted an OPS over .800 only twice, is coming off a down year, and was injured for the majority of the prior year. Do you really think he's going to be asking for 6 years, 18 per? I guess if he does that, then you have to walk. But I'd at least start the conversation.

Sure, but if it starts with an offer that alienates him, you get a season-long drama.

Delicate shit, this.

[Centerfield]

No doubt about that. But if a fear of offending the other side prevents you from beginning negotiations, then not a lot of business would get done.

[smg58]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I have this nagging feeling that the Phillies will sweep in and sign Reyes, and the Mets, facing a void at the position will sign Rollins. I don't want that to happen!

The Mets will have far more money to spend than Philadelphia, so unless Rollins ends the season the more valuable commodity of the two, the likelihood of them switching teams is close to zero and at any rate would be initiated by the Mets. It's possible that somebody will offer more money for Reyes than Alderson thinks he is worth, but Philadelphia does not seem likely to be one of them.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Centerfield wrote: No doubt about that. But if a fear of offending the other side prevents you from beginning negotiations, then not a lot of business would get done.

To me it's a question of that old chestnut, whoever names a figure first in a negotiation loses. So they're both playing an age-old game that has a value in numbers.

Waiting until spring training plays into the Mets hands. A player is a lovely abstraction until he gets on the field, and then he is what he is. He's not so different from a car that loses value the moment you drrive it off the lot.

Reyes' people come back to the Mets by putting their feet to the fire. You want to wait until late February --- force our man to hit the field without long-term security? Then you better be ready to come at us hard, because we're shutting the door April first, and those other competing bidders stop becoming a lovely abstraction for us but a hard reality for you.

These are exactly the steps played out in many negotiations. I imagine Pujols and the Cardinals are coming to the same head. Googling...

Pujols and the Cardinals decided that if they cannot come to an agreement by the start of spring training, talks will be suspended until the first base slugger becomes a free agent. "Do you want to bring all that into the clubhouse all year, like you guys have been doing the last couple of years?" Pujols said at the team's Winter Warmup fan session Sunday. "No. I respect my teammates more than this contract. That's why you have to set some deadline on this, and that's it." http://www.statesman.com/sports/albert-pujols-contract-talks-gripping-st-louis-1190292.html

There you go. We just haven't been through this with anybody since Strawberry, really. Emotions will run high.

It's a shame that players are unallowed to own shares in baseball. If the Cards were an investment firm, architecture firm, or law firm, a player who had assumed so much value as Pujols, and become identifiable with the company's success would be rewarded with a partnership stake.

[batmagadanleadoff]

This is a well known dance danced by dance partners who've danced the dance and studied the dance ad nauseum. Both sides know every step of the dance and every variation. No one is shaking in their boots when the player's side declares that negotiations will end on such and such a date.

To me, whatever Reyes said is an insignificant non-story that I'll probably forget about before the week's over. Personally, I'd bet that whatever conditions came out of the Reyes camp aren't worth the breath they traveled on and that the if the Mets really wanted to, they could sign Reyes whenever.

[Frayed Knot]

batmagadanleadoff wrote: This is a well known dance danced by dance partners who've danced the dance and studied the dance ad nauseum. Both sides know every step of the dance and every variation. No one is shaking in their boots when the player's side declares that negotiations will end on such and such a date. To me, whatever Reyes said is an insignificant non-story that I'll probably forget about before the week's over. Personally, I'd bet that whatever conditions came out of the Reyes camp aren't worth the breath they traveled on and that the if the Mets really wanted to, they could sign Reyes whenever.

Yup!

[Centerfield]

Bump.

[Ceetar]

I'm enjoying watching Jose Reyes change the narrative. It's rare that a player can do that.

The stories when this thread started were all about trading him. As the season has gone on, and more and more of the writers of these stories glance down at the field and realize "Shit, this guy's pretty damn good isn't he?" they start understanding why he's going to be a lifelong Met.

[ashie62]

Rest assured the Mets will find a way to fuck this up.

[metirish]

Ceetar wrote: I'm enjoying watching Jose Reyes change the narrative. It's rare that a player can do that. The stories when this thread started were all about trading him. As the season has gone on, and more and more of the writers of these stories glance down at the field and realize "Shit, this guy's pretty damn good isn't he?" they start understanding why he's going to be a lifelong Met.

I just read over it , it's a great thread btw.....

[Ceetar]

Ashie62 wrote: Rest assured the Mets will find a way to fuck this up.

I'm sure we'll be debating for years if it should be

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37 14 41 42 7 5
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(of course, there will be a 31 in there somewhere too)

[MFS62]

Ashie62 wrote: Rest assured the Mets will find a way to fuck this up.

I have this feeling that they won't be the fuckers, they will be the fuckees.
Two days after the Mets sign Jose to a long term contract, MLB will put his thyroid medication on the banned substance list.

EDIT: BTW, I'm really pissed. My cable provider has had outages of SNY for over 24 hours.

Later

[metirish]

AdamRubinESPN Jose Reyes passes Jimmy Rollins, trails Tulo in ASG balloting. Details: http://es.pn/j... #mets #phillies


http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/mets/post/_/id/26185/reyes-moves-to-2nd-in-asg-shortstop-voting

[Benjamin Grimm]

I got an email from mets.com asking me to vote for Reyes for the 2011 All-Star team.

I'd much rather vote for him for the 2012 Mets.

[ashie62]

Ceetar wrote: Ashie62 wrote: Rest assured the Mets will find a way to fuck this up. I'm sure we'll be debating for years if it should be 37 14 41 42 5 7 37 14 41 42 7 5 37 14 41 5 7 42 37 14 41 7 5 42 (of course, there will be a 31 in there somewhere too)

Suduko?

[seawolf17]

Not for nothing, but if the Mets need that $50,000, I'd rather Jose stay home for three days.