Mets and Reyes

[metirish]

@AdamRubinESPNMets exercise $11 million option on Jose Reyes. Will not prevent contract talks about longer-term deal.

Discuss

[Guest attgig]

woohoo!

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Buttoffcurse.

[smg58]

Last year's injury kept Reyes from even reaching Type B status, so this is the wrong year to let him walk. I kind of like not being committed for more than a year at this point, though.

[metirish]

Money wise he's not woth it, I can't see him pulling down this kind of twine per year in any new contract.

[Ceetar]

Sandy's been busy, and will be busy. things like extensions can be worked out during a slower time.

[Fman99]

Good stuff.

[metirish]

Rubin says if he were a betting man he would bet that Reyes will not sign an extension during the season and go to free agency.

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/mets/post/_/id/11724/on-reyes-as-a-met-long-term

[Benjamin Grimm]

That would suck.

[Guest Edgy DC]

metirish wrote: Rubin says if he were a betting man he would bet that Reyes will not sign an extension during the season and go to free agency. http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/mets/post/_/id/11724/on-reyes-as-a-met-long-term

Edgy says that Rubin isn't the reporter he used to be, when he would go out and work to uncover hard-to-find facts rather than engage in idle and provocative speculation.

[ashie62]

So the Mets will have Reyes in a walk year? Could get funky around 7/31/2011.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Rubin also bet that Backman would be skipper back in July before cryptically retreating.

Although, if I were Jose Jose, I might wanna see what I'm worth too.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Ashie62 wrote: So the Mets will have Reyes in a walk year? Could get funky around 7/31/2011.

I ain't lookin' to see that. The only funk I'm focused on in late July is the funk the rest of the division is in looking at thier double-digit defecit in the standings.

If you were Jose, would you put all your chips on this season, knowing the seasons you've lost to long-term injuries?

If the Mets offer me a generous mid-term package, I take a good long look at it if I'm a Reyes.

[Frayed Knot]

Jose turns 28 next season and is currently coming off an OK season preceded by a missed/injured one.
He'd almost be a fool not to think that he stands a pretty good chance at being in a better contract position a year from now.

[Guest Edgy DC]

His pretty good season was interrupted also.

I don't think there's anything particularly foolish in being concerned that one injury could ruin his long-term security.

What would you offer him?

[Frayed Knot]

I honestly don't know at this point. Originally I thought he'd be underpaid by the time this option rolled around but that's not so clear right now.
What's good is that at his age you'd be less worried about the years of the contract than the dollars. Usually I'm the other way around on that.


And speaking of short-stops and contracts, the Yanx let it leak today that the Jeter negotiations "could get messy".
Don't know if that's just before-the-fact public relations or if it means that the sides have exchanged preliminary figures and they discovered that they're several football fields apart.

[Gwreck]

Edgy DC wrote: His pretty good season was interrupted also. I don't think there's anything particularly foolish in being concerned that one injury could ruin his long-term security. What would you offer him?

5 years, $45 million.

[Guest Edgy DC]

I don't think that's gonna get it done. That's still lining up behind Oliver Perez on payday.

If that's what he's being offered, yeah, I guess he does play out his walk year.

[Benjamin Grimm]

I would think that any contract that Jose gets would have some incentives, based on games played, built in. Reduces the risk somewhat if he's injury plagued, but rewards him for the upside if he isn't.

[seawolf17]

Edgy DC wrote: His pretty good season was interrupted also. I don't think there's anything particularly foolish in being concerned that one injury could ruin his long-term security. What would you offer him?

5 years, $70 million, option for the sixth year at big dollars.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Yeah, I think negotiations are going to hover around there (though I'm not sure how tolerant Reyes will be of the delayed pay boost), and I think it'll be a test of Alderson's philosphy whether he has the stomache for that kind of commitment.

[metsmarathon]

per fangraphs:

[table:11kwsvod][tr:11kwsvod][td:11kwsvod]year[/td:11kwsvod][td:11kwsvod]WAR[/td:11kwsvod][td:11kwsvod]value[/td:11kwsvod][/tr:11kwsvod][tr:11kwsvod][td:11kwsvod]2006[/td:11kwsvod][td:11kwsvod]5.7[/td:11kwsvod][td:11kwsvod]$21.1M[/td:11kwsvod][/tr:11kwsvod][tr:11kwsvod][td:11kwsvod]2007[/td:11kwsvod][td:11kwsvod]5.5[/td:11kwsvod][td:11kwsvod]$22.7M[/td:11kwsvod][/tr:11kwsvod][tr:11kwsvod][td:11kwsvod]2008[/td:11kwsvod][td:11kwsvod]6.0[/td:11kwsvod][td:11kwsvod]$27.2M[/td:11kwsvod][/tr:11kwsvod][tr:11kwsvod][td:11kwsvod]2009[/td:11kwsvod][td:11kwsvod]0.9[/td:11kwsvod][td:11kwsvod]$3.9M[/td:11kwsvod][/tr:11kwsvod][tr:11kwsvod][td:11kwsvod]2010[/td:11kwsvod][td:11kwsvod]2.8[/td:11kwsvod][td:11kwsvod]$11.1M[/td:11kwsvod][/tr:11kwsvod][/table:11kwsvod]

i don't think he'll be overpaid at 11 mil if he's fairly healthy next year. and he's still got the potential to be significantly underpaid relative to his production.

granted, i'm not sure how much i buy into the WAR-equivalent salary thing, but it's still something to look at. (its not that i think it's total bullshit, its just that i think that its a much more complicated dynamic than the method they are using to approximate it.)

[metirish]

I love Jose and if I was his agent I would be telling him that other teams would likely value him more in FA than the Mets , does Boston have a SS?

[Guest Edgy DC]

Well, I wouldn't tell him that if the Mets are ponying up impressively.

Let's let the Mets get to the table before we start advising Jose. The option is locked in so Alderson can get on with assembling his staff and his field staff before wrestling aggressively with this later in the offseason.

[seawolf17]

metirish wrote: I love Jose and if I was his agent I would be telling him that other teams would likely value him more in FA than the Mets , does Boston have a SS?

Well, that's his/her job as an agent. (I'm glad George is dead, because he'd have a seven year, $150 million offer in Jose's hands at 12:01 am the day he becomes eligible.)

Jose (or David) leaving would be Darryl all over again. /shudder

[Guest Vince Coleman Firecracker]

How's about 5 years/ $50 million guaranteed with an extra million for every 100 PA's past the first 100 each season? If that's not enough, you could throw in cumulative PA bonuses (boni?), say, 1.5 or 2 million for each 1000 PA's. Something like that.

[Guest Edgy DC]

I think that asks him to assume most of the risk. Players of his stature are getting the high side of $15 mills.

[ashie62]

Edgy DC wrote: I think that asks him to assume most of the risk. Players of his stature are getting the high side of $15 mills.

He would have to put up a stellar full season to demand that coin.

[Guest Edgy DC]

He's put up three of them.

[Guest Vince Coleman Firecracker]

Edgy DC wrote: I think that asks him to assume most of the risk. Players of his stature are getting the high side of $15 mills.

Well, that contract would be at least $50 million with a shot to make it as much as $86 or so. If that's not enough, maybe you make the floor $55 million? 60?

I think anything past that would be close enough to his market value that it would negate the need for crazy incentives.