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[metirish]

I found that quite amazing , it's like Valentine still has a shitty rep around the game....talked out of it? WTF is that?

[Guest Edgy DC]

They're going to need every dime to keep a semblance of that slugger's row together, so a high-profile manager may not be a good investment.

The wishfully thinking foolish fanboi angle: the person outside the organization was former Brewer owner Bud Selig on behalf of his beloved former lieutenant Sandy Alderson.

[metirish]

The Selig angle crossed my mind but not the Alderson one, I like it.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Boston bench coach DeMarlo Hale to interview for Mets job.

Former Minor Lg MOY, and might possibly be Chip Hale's brother. Or sister?

[Gwreck]

Sandy A. sent me some more email:

On Saturday, I had good meetings in California with Wally Backman, Terry Collins, and Chip Hale to discuss the Mets Manager position. I am scheduled to interview DeMarlo Hale tomorrow at Citi Field and on Wednesday meet with Clint Hurdle and Don Wakamatsu.

[MFS62]

Too late.
Don is now a Jay.
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/101108/sports/bba_jays_coaches_2

Later

[metirish]

Wakamatsu being named bench coach in Toronto does not preclude him from speaking with the Mets. DW will interview tomorrow.

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[Frayed Knot]

MFS62 wrote: Too late. Don is now a Jay.

Which is the opposite of what would happen if Mr. Payton took a job with the University of San Francisco - because then you could say that Jay is now a Don.

[Farmer Ted]

I'm still stuck on Billy Beane and his Moneyball theory about stolen bases, essentially the SB is too risky and should never be attempted. If Sandy is also an advocate of this style, it doesn't bode well for Wally who would likely implore an aggressive style on the basepaths.

[HahnSolo]

Farmer Ted wrote: I'm still stuck on Billy Beane and his Moneyball theory about stolen bases, essentially the SB is too risky and should never be attempted. If Sandy is also an advocate of this style, it doesn't bode well for Wally who would likely implore an aggressive style on the basepaths.

Sandy's best Oakland teams had Ricky Henderson, so he can't totally be against the SB.

[Guest Edgy DC]

These things ain't set in stone as all that. Certainly not immutable laws.

Oakville was third in the American League in swipes this season.

[metsmarathon]

Farmer Ted wrote: I'm still stuck on Billy Beane and his Moneyball theory about stolen bases, essentially the SB is too risky and should never be attempted. If Sandy is also an advocate of this style, it doesn't bode well for Wally who would likely implore an aggressive style on the basepaths.

is billy beane still with the a's?

because this past year, rajai davis had 50 steals in 61 tries, coco crisp had 32 steals in 35 tries, and cliff pennington had 29 steals in 34 tries. overall, they were 3rd in the al with 156 steals in 194 attempts, good for a 80.4% success rate.

the stolen base is generally considered to be counterproductive below a 75% success rate or so. i believe the moneyball teams eschewed the stolen base because at the time, getting people on base and slugging three run homers was the more cost-effective route to success in that obp was undervalued relative to other factors. plus, scouts love fast, toolsy guys, and not fat slow guys who get on base. the moneyball teams didn't steal bases because they weren't built to, not because billy bean had a fundamental opposition to the stolen base, i believe.

[MFS62]

Frayed Knot wrote: MFS62 wrote: Too late. Don is now a Jay. Which is the opposite of what would happen if Mr. Payton took a job with the University of San Francisco - because then you could say that Jay is now a Don.

I'm impressed. LOL!

As for managerial strategy. Sometimes you have to do what it takes to win. The other night, the 1955 World Series was on tv (Brooklyn beating the MFYs). In the seventh game, Brooklyn manager Walter Alston had power hitter Duke Snider sacrifice bunt what was to become the second run in a 2-0 victory into scoring position.
But there is a big difference between doing the unexpected that turns out OK and doing something out of rote because it is someone's "style" of managing.

Later

[Guest Edgy DC]

Booklyn won in 1956? Don Larsen might be surpised.

[MFS62]

Typo fixed.
Thanks, Later

[Guest Edgy DC]

That's OK, I gave St. Louis the 1985 championship.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Wakamatsu will still interview with the Mets.

[Ceetar]

So far Sandy's hired a Paul, and a John Paul. any managerial candidates named Paul?

[Frayed Knot]

Ceetar wrote: So far Sandy's hired a Paul, and a John Paul. any managerial candidates named Paul?

Or maybe Benedict?

[Valadius]

There's always Bruce.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Ceetar wrote: So far Sandy's hired a Paul, and a John Paul. any managerial candidates named Paul?

A John and a Paul? Who's next?
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[Guest Edgy DC]

Valadius wrote: There's always Bruce.

Benny Distefano is already in the system.

[metirish]

Backman called back for second interview says Heyman, his take, Alderson appeasing fans and the Wilpon's.


Who are these fans and how many are there?, nothing more than a media myth.

[Guest Edgy DC]

All that aside, he's in the system, he's been successful, he's made it as high as the majors (for a few days), won awards in the minors, and is clear that he has big-league hopes. I have no problem with him getting an interview. They are going to be talking to him anyway as they put together the minor-league staff. Might as well present themselves as open to his long-term ambitions.

[HahnSolo]

metirish wrote: Backman called back for second interview says Heyman, his take, Alderson appeasing fans and the Wilpon's. Who are these fans and how many are there?, nothing more than a media myth.

I don't know. I think you appease the fans and owner by bringing him in once. Wally must have done something to have left an impression.

[TransMonk]

So with second interviews being scheduled and no mention of Valentine being contacted at all, the dream seems to be dying.

I have to say that none of the guys being given second interviews really impress me.

[Guest Edgy DC]

This makes an impression: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOZxT9MHAJU

Speakers down, people.

[HahnSolo]

Wonder if he and Doc got that beer.

[G-Fafif]

Heyman just on FAN saying he'd be "stunned" if it's not one of Hurdle, Collins, Melvin or Wakamatsu, though it sounded more like he was stunned he was asked the question and was kind of vamping on the answer because as an insider, he couldn't simply say, "Fellas, I really don't know."

Though narrowing it down to four kind of says that.

[TransMonk]

Backman, Collins and Melvin are all very uninspiring to me...even with the tirades one of them produces.

I'm beginning to root for Hurdle and the Hales.

**Cool band name alert**