Trade Deadline 2010

[Guest Edgy DC]

Two factors make this the most likely outcome

Three if you count the "that's what happens as often as (more than?) not" factor.

Also, reports have surfaced that the Mets are unable to add payroll during the season.

That's part of factor two. Which reports are these anyhow?

Really, everybody's payroll situation is unclear.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Also, they loved Lee. How can their hearts heal from the trauma in time to ask Ted Lilly to prom (even though he's, like, so perfect for them, and they don't even know it)? THESE THINGS TAKE TIME.

Yeah, he's not the only one who's taking these "financial problems" for granted among beat reporters, either, with absolutely no proof to be found. These must be some solid rumors.

[Ceetar]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Also, they loved Lee. How can their hearts heal from the trauma in time to ask Ted Lilly to prom (even though he's, like, so perfect for them, and they don't even know it)? THESE THINGS TAKE TIME. Yeah, he's not the only one who's taking these "financial problems" for granted among beat reporters, either, with absolutely no proof to be found. These must be some solid rumors.

the actual evidence doesn't support the financial problems, but the whispered rumors do somehow?

[ashie62]

They are just that rumors. Could Fred or Jeff publically say they are are not in dire straits? Like holding or not holding a pile of commercial real estate in Queens that is 10 cents on the dollar.

Would Selig call them and ask for the "real scoop"

Danged if I know.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

What evidence?

[Benjamin Grimm]

I'm not sure what kind of trade we can reasonably expect them to make that will give them much of a shot at a postseason run.

I don't think they'll be able to upgrade over Pagan. I don't think they're nearly ready to give up on Bay. And I don't think they're quire ready to give up on Beltran. (By this time next year that will be a different story.) They're not going to be able to add a catcher that will be much of an impact over what they have. They're not going to replace Wright or Reyes. I guess they could rent a slugging first baseman and shove Davis aside for a few months, but that seems awfully unlikely. Second base is the most likely spot, I guess. Getting a guy like Uggla (whose name was floated somewhere) would be an upgrade over Castillo, and Tejada doesn't appear to be ready.

As for pitching, Oswalt appears too expensive, and the other guys (Lilly, for example) seem pointless. As for the bullpen, are the Mets one or two relievers from turning it all around? I don't think so.

I don't want the Mets to trade valuable young players in a likely futile effort to salvage 2010. At this point, I'd rather see them cross their fingers and hope that August and September play out like June did, which is, at least in theory, possible.

[Ceetar]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: What evidence?

They supposedly had a couple of offers out, at the same time, on guys like Molina and Piniero, which had they accepted would've been a decent boost in payroll over what they have now. Hard to believe they were bluffing those guys.

[metirish]

Lennon

@lenno212: Takahashi's start pushed back to 31st - trade deadline. A move in works? #mets

[Benjamin Grimm]

I don't think it means that at all. Because of the day off, they're able to pitch Santana (and Niese and Dickey) a day sooner. Takahashi, being the 5th guy*, gets slid back. (That kind of stuff should happen more often.)

*Actually, Pelfrey has been the fifth best pitcher for a while now, but that's another story...

[Ceetar]

metirish wrote: Lennon @lenno212: Takahashi's start pushed back to 31st - trade deadline. A move in works? #mets

I'm just being silly being annoyed at this right? I felt like the Mets should've come out with their best pitchers coming out of the break, not Takahashi. Santana (And to a lesser extend Pelfrey who was struggling) should've pitched on normal rest, not an extra two days. But now suddenly we've lost some and gotta move everyone else up? They could actually get by without pitching him again after Saturday until August 14th. During this nine game stretch with no breaks it means everyone twice, except Takahashi.

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

Ceetar wrote: LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: What evidence? They supposedly had a couple of offers out, at the same time, on guys like Molina and Piniero, which had they accepted would've been a decent boost in payroll over what they have now. Hard to believe they were bluffing those guys.

I believe none of the nonsense floated in the offseason about the Mets allegedly making offers to this guy or that. I think a lot of that is crap floated by agents to drive up the price on whatever teams are actually talking seriously.

[ashie62]

metsguyinmichigan wrote: Ceetar wrote: LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: What evidence? They supposedly had a couple of offers out, at the same time, on guys like Molina and Piniero, which had they accepted would've been a decent boost in payroll over what they have now. Hard to believe they were bluffing those guys. I believe none of the nonsense floated in the offseason about the Mets allegedly making offers to this guy or that. I think a lot of that is crap floated by agents to drive up the price on whatever teams are actually talking seriously.

Thank you.

[Ceetar]

metsguyinmichigan wrote: Ceetar wrote: LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: What evidence? They supposedly had a couple of offers out, at the same time, on guys like Molina and Piniero, which had they accepted would've been a decent boost in payroll over what they have now. Hard to believe they were bluffing those guys. I believe none of the nonsense floated in the offseason about the Mets allegedly making offers to this guy or that. I think a lot of that is crap floated by agents to drive up the price on whatever teams are actually talking seriously.

Pineiro and Molina both confirmed that they had offers from the Mets, well after signing.

either way, it's certainly more evidence than "someone told me that the Mets may not possibly be able to spend because of the possibility that they may have lost an undisclosed amount of money from Madoff"

Edited July 27, 2010 by Guest

[ashie62]

NY is a large market. The Wilpons' are behaving too passively for me to believe all is well.

Or, maybe the times or hunger have passed them by. Cueing<< Mark Cuban.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Ceetar wrote: Ceetar wrote: LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: What evidence? They supposedly had a couple of offers out, at the same time, on guys like Molina and Piniero, which had they accepted would've been a decent boost in payroll over what they have now. Hard to believe they were bluffing those guys. I believe none of the nonsense floated in the offseason about the Mets allegedly making offers to this guy or that. I think a lot of that is crap floated by agents to drive up the price on whatever teams are actually talking seriously. Pineiro and Molina both confirmed that they had offers from the Mets, well after signing. either way, it's certainly more evidence than "someone told me that the Mets may not possibly be able to spend because of the possibility that they may have lost an undisclosed amount of money from Madoff"

Really though, I don't think it is. Either the Mets evaluated what they thought the guy was worth and didn't offer him any more, or they evaluated what they thought the guy was worth and lowballed him because they were broke. Believe what you want to believe, but that's not evidence in my book.

I'm perfectly happy they didn't up their bid on Benjie Molina.

[Ceetar]

Edgy DC wrote: Ceetar wrote: Ceetar wrote: LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: What evidence? They supposedly had a couple of offers out, at the same time, on guys like Molina and Piniero, which had they accepted would've been a decent boost in payroll over what they have now. Hard to believe they were bluffing those guys. I believe none of the nonsense floated in the offseason about the Mets allegedly making offers to this guy or that. I think a lot of that is crap floated by agents to drive up the price on whatever teams are actually talking seriously. Pineiro and Molina both confirmed that they had offers from the Mets, well after signing. either way, it's certainly more evidence than "someone told me that the Mets may not possibly be able to spend because of the possibility that they may have lost an undisclosed amount of money from Madoff" Really though, I don't think it is. Either the Mets evaluated what they thought the guy was worth and didn't offer him any more, or they evaluated what they thought the guy was worth and lowballed him because they were broke. Believe what you want to believe, but that's not evidence in my book. I'm perfectly happy they didn't up their bid on Benjie Molina.

As am I. But if both players were to sign the contracts that were offered, the Mets payroll would be higher than it is now. More than Lily higher for example. So to say the Mets cannot afford to add a player would seem to me to be not true.

[Ceetar]

Steve Popper notes here that they will (http://blogs.northjersey.com/blogs/amazinstories/gooden_comes_home/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter) sign a pitch on Saturday before the deadline.

the catch is that it's a one-day contract to a 45 year old. He will be on the field for Sunday though.

[metirish]

Ceetar wrote: Ceetar wrote: Ceetar wrote: LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: What evidence? They supposedly had a couple of offers out, at the same time, on guys like Molina and Piniero, which had they accepted would've been a decent boost in payroll over what they have now. Hard to believe they were bluffing those guys. I believe none of the nonsense floated in the offseason about the Mets allegedly making offers to this guy or that. I think a lot of that is crap floated by agents to drive up the price on whatever teams are actually talking seriously. Pineiro and Molina both confirmed that they had offers from the Mets, well after signing. either way, it's certainly more evidence than "someone told me that the Mets may not possibly be able to spend because of the possibility that they may have lost an undisclosed amount of money from Madoff" Really though, I don't think it is. Either the Mets evaluated what they thought the guy was worth and didn't offer him any more, or they evaluated what they thought the guy was worth and lowballed him because they were broke. Believe what you want to believe, but that's not evidence in my book. I'm perfectly happy they didn't up their bid on Benjie Molina. As am I. But if both players were to sign the contracts that were offered, the Mets payroll would be higher than it is now. More than Lily higher for example. So to say the Mets cannot afford to add a player would seem to me to be not true.

All the quoting here makes my eyes sore.

[MFS62]

Ceetar wrote: Steve Popper notes here that they will (http://blogs.northjersey.com/blogs/amazinstories/gooden_comes_home/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter) sign a pitch on Saturday before the deadline. the catch is that it's a one-day contract to a 45 year old. He will be on the field for Sunday though.

If it is an official major league contract, even if its for one day, will they have to cut someone from the major leage 40 man roster to "make room"for him?

Later

[Ceetar]

MFS62 wrote: Steve Popper notes here that they will (http://blogs.northjersey.com/blogs/amazinstories/gooden_comes_home/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter) sign a pitch on Saturday before the deadline. the catch is that it's a one-day contract to a 45 year old. He will be on the field for Sunday though. If it is an official major league contract, even if its for one day, will they have to cut someone from the major leage 40 man roster to "make room"for him? Later

No idea, but Tatis is an easy choice.

[Willets Point]

metirish wrote: Ceetar wrote: Ceetar wrote: Ceetar wrote: LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: What evidence? They supposedly had a couple of offers out, at the same time, on guys like Molina and Piniero, which had they accepted would've been a decent boost in payroll over what they have now. Hard to believe they were bluffing those guys. I believe none of the nonsense floated in the offseason about the Mets allegedly making offers to this guy or that. I think a lot of that is crap floated by agents to drive up the price on whatever teams are actually talking seriously. Pineiro and Molina both confirmed that they had offers from the Mets, well after signing. either way, it's certainly more evidence than "someone told me that the Mets may not possibly be able to spend because of the possibility that they may have lost an undisclosed amount of money from Madoff" Really though, I don't think it is. Either the Mets evaluated what they thought the guy was worth and didn't offer him any more, or they evaluated what they thought the guy was worth and lowballed him because they were broke. Believe what you want to believe, but that's not evidence in my book. I'm perfectly happy they didn't up their bid on Benjie Molina. As am I. But if both players were to sign the contracts that were offered, the Mets payroll would be higher than it is now. More than Lily higher for example. So to say the Mets cannot afford to add a player would seem to me to be not true. All the quoting here makes my eyes sore.

Can I quote you on that?

[metirish]

Oswalt to the Phillies just about done according to my various internet sources , and yes, you can quote me on that and this.

[Zvon]

metirish wrote: Oswalt to the Phillies just about done according to my various internet sources , and yes, you can quote me on that and this.

Deal is just awaiting Oswalts okay.

Roy, JUST SAY NO!

[metirish]

Heyman

SI_JonHeyman

#jays asked #mets for top OF prospect kirk nieuwenhuis plus another for scott downs. mets saying no on nieuwenhuis


Good , wtf would we want Downs?

[Guest Edgy DC]

Eighth-inning guy. Duh.

[metirish]

Edgy DC wrote: Eighth-inning guy. Duh.

We need to know first if he feels comfortable in the eight inning, can he get up for it?

[Zvon]

metirish wrote: Edgy DC wrote: Eighth-inning guy. Duh. We need to know first if he feels comfortable in the eight inning, can he get up for it?

There's always Viagra ��

Confirmation of this trade to Philly should be up before I hit send (ha, I recycle).

[ashie62]

Lee Harvey Oswalt is a Phillie.

[Guest Edgy DC]

R.A. Dickey is a Met.

[smg58]

Jorge Cantu rumored to be heading to Texas.