Jerry Manuel temperature check

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

I was against firing him because I think managers are often the scapegoat and usually get blamed for the sins of others -- like general managers.

But I've turned on Jerry. It's just not working any more.

[Guest Edgy DC]

I disagree. I think the ingredients of a winner are there.

[metsmarathon]

i think jerry is both unfairly looked at as the scapegoat for the mets' many woes, and a terrible manager of men and baseball games who deserves to be fired.

[G-Fafif]

At this stage of the 1990 season, the Mets had the exact record they do now: 20-22. At two games below .500, Davey Johnson was fired, and

won a World Series and a division title for them, finishing first or second six years in a row.

[Zvon]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: If that 1 "give him more time" vote is from someone other than Zvon, I'd be curious to hear the logic behind it.

I do believe I was #2.

[batmagadanleadoff]

At this stage of the 1990 season, the Mets had the exact record they do now: 20-22. At two games below .500, Davey Johnson was fired, and that guy won a World Series and a division title for them, finishing first or second six years in a row.

Big Yellow Taxi is right because in all of the 20 years following 20 years ago, the Mets had but one good manager and Wilpon fired him the first second he could.

[ashie62]

At this stage of the 1990 season, the Mets had the exact record they do now: 20-22. At two games below .500, Davey Johnson was fired, and that guy won a World Series and a division title for them, finishing first or second six years in a row. Big Yellow Taxi is right because in all of the 20 years following 20 years ago, the Mets had but one good manager and Wilpon fired him the first second he could.

Amen

[Benjamin Grimm]

Okay... maybe not.

[Ceetar]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Okay... maybe not.

My vote stands. But it's not as immediate an issue when the players are performing to their ability.

[Zvon]

It let me vote again.
lol
Well, I think I'll keep him.

Guess my comments were in another thread.

[Willets Point]

Ha, this thread is from May 21, just before the Mets turned it around.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

The only reason I'm at all in favor of keeping him is because it may spook the horses to dismiss him now.

[Willets Point]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: The only reason I'm at all in favor of keeping him is because it may spook the horses to dismiss him now.

Frau Bl�cher!

[Benjamin Grimm]

It seems that whenever we pound this drum, the Mets go on an eight-game winning streak.

[Ceetar]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: It seems that whenever we pound this drum, the Mets go on an eight-game winning streak.

Pound harder. I'd prefer 10.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

In lieu of-- or in addition to-- said win streak, I'll take a Jerry Manuel firing, in favor of, say, Oberkfell or Jauss.

[Ceetar]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: In lieu of-- or in addition to-- said win streak, I'll take a Jerry Manuel firing, in favor of, say, Oberkfell or Jauss.

Bobby Valentine, Jim Koch, Batman, Wally Backman, Lou Pinella, Alex Cora, Joey Cora, that guy down the block who looks like Alex Cora, Tom Glavine, or even Bob Melvin.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Ceetar wrote: Bobby Valentine, Jim Koch, Batman, [crossout]Wally Backman[/crossout],[crossout]Lou Pinella[/crossout], Alex Cora, Joey Cora, that guy down the block who looks like Alex Cora, [crossout]Tom Glavine[/crossout], or even Bob Melvin.

I'll take Cat Cora, the second, crappy Robin (the one the Joker killed), or... say... Spuds Mackenzie with a probability chart over Lou Pinella.

[metirish]

Hard to believe that Lou Pinella will retire at seasons end..

[Guest Edgy DC]

I can't imagine Spuds is available.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

This team plays in a metropolitan area with the largest Haitian population outside the island itself; somebody's got to know some voudan, right?

[Guest Vince Coleman Firecracker]

Edgy DC wrote: I can't imagine Spuds is available.

Sadly, Spuds has been partying down with bikini models and awful beer in the great doggy beyond for over seventeen years now. Of course, she may still be a better manager than JFM.

[Zvon]

metirish wrote: Hard to believe that Lou Pinella will retire at seasons end..

Nah, he's see's what Cox is doin with the Braves and he's just tryin to fire up his team.
Unless a doctor orders it, which is entirely possible in Lou's case, he ain't retirin'.

[batmagadanleadoff]

I'm sticking today's JoePet in this thread instead of in yesterday's IGT. The cartoon has more versatility than Jerry's bench.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

3-11 in walkoff games this year (as per Grimm in another thread).

Also, the Mets are 46-63 in one-run games over his Met career.

[Ceetar]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: 3-11 in walkoff games this year (as per Grimm in another thread). Also, the Mets are 46-63 in one-run games over his Met career.

I was wondering what this record was. What was it for Willie? For the Mets since their inception?

[Benjamin Grimm]

Give me a minute...

[Benjamin Grimm]

All-time Mets record in one-run games (regular and post season) is 1202 and 1311.

With Willie Randolph as manager, they were 81-65.

Under Jerry Manuel, they're 40 and 51.

Here's the full list:

Bamberger 28 44
Berra 100 107
Cubbage 1 4
Frazier 32 41
Green 77 93
Harrelson 38 46
Hodges 124 114
Howard 23 16
Howe 38 52
Johnson 182 155
Manuel 40 51
McMillan 4 9
Parker 1 2
Randolph 81 65
Stengel 69 115
Torborg 26 40
Torre 107 133
Valentine 178 155
Westrum 53 69

[Ceetar]

Interesting. thanks.

I maintain that jerry's a bad close game manager. He has had a top closer, excepting 2008, for his entire tenure, which you'd expect to help.

Willie's numbers are probably largely reflective of how good the 2006 bullpen was.

*shrugs*

What'd you use to calculate this anyway? I was trying to find somewhere to do and and couldn't.

[Zvon]

That is a very telling list Ben.
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