Really?

[Guest Edgy DC]

I'm picking up way too much buzz out there, not just about letting Jerry go, but about advocating for Larry Bowa. Grass-is-greener is one thing, but this is grass we've seen plenty of, and it's very crabby grass. I see the appeal, but I'd still rank him behind Gary Carter in my list of preferred candidates, and that's saying something.

I'd probably rank him behind Bud Harrelson. Didn't he do enough damage in 1985?

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Wait, WHAT?

Oh, GOD, no.

If anything, Bowa's best-- it seems-- with underperforming young players. I'm not sure that there's anyone on our current roster-- Reyes, maybe?-- his Pinella-lite act benefits here.

I AM pretty sure he'd strangle Pagan within a few months.

[metirish]

It's always that way right ?, try and hire the opposite of what you have . Howe for Valentine, Randolph for him....Bowa would provide a quick spurt of energy probably, wouldn't be my choice .

[Guest Edgy DC]

Yeah, well, that would be just acting on self-loathing.

I think history shows that misanthropic maniac Billy Martin was as good as any manager in history (such as Davey Johnson) for a first-year turnaround, but a complete burden after that.

[TransMonk]

I'd take the rest of the year off.

[Guest Rockin' Doc]

Assuming such a managerial maneuver is true, it would appear the Mets ownership are determined to destroy the team and alienate the Mets' fans.

Please let this be the managerial equivalent of a WAT rumor.

[Guest Edgy DC]

I don't know what you mean by true, but it's just something people on the internets are advocating. It's nothing Jeff Wilpon has shared with me, I assure you.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Rockin' Doc wrote: Assuming such a managerial maneuver is true, it would appear the Mets ownership are determined to destroy the team and alienate the Mets' fans. Please let this be the managerial equivalent of a WAT rumor.

Without a Trace?
West Africa Time?
Weapons Augmentation Team?

[Guest Swan Swan H]

Edgy DC wrote: I see the appeal, but I'd still rank him behind Gary Carter in my list of preferred candidates, and that's saying something.

Hell, I'd rather have Mother Maybelle Carter.

[Benjamin Grimm]

If the Mets want to hire a psychotic nutjob, they already have Wally Backman in house.

[metirish]

Being with Lord Joe surely has made Bowa not only a better manager but a better person.

[Guest Swan Swan H]

metirish wrote: Being with Lord Joe surely has made Bowa not only a better manager but a better person.

And vastly improved his nose-picking technique.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: If the Mets want to hire a psychotic nutjob, they already have Wally Backman in house.

Plus, he's younger, more agile, and in slightly better health. If my manager's going to throw on-field shitfits nightly, by gum, they'd better be acrobatic!

[Guest Swan Swan H]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Benjamin Grimm wrote: If the Mets want to hire a psychotic nutjob, they already have Wally Backman in house. Plus, he's younger, more agile, and in slightly better health. If my manager's going to throw on-field shitfits nightly, by gum, they'd better be acrobatic!

I always saw Wally as the type who'd never make 60, and Bowa living to his nineties, still taking a brisk walk in a velour track suit every morning and yelling at the neighbors to put their trash cans away.

[seawolf17]

Swan Swan H wrote: metirish wrote: Being with Lord Joe surely has made Bowa not only a better manager but a better person. And vastly improved his nose-picking technique.

Well, shit. If that's a top criterion, I wonder why they haven't called me yet.

[HahnSolo]

Since someone else brought up his name in this thread, there are rumors that St. Joe will not be out in La La land beyond this year (ownership issues, conflict with Colletti, maybe). You just know that if he's unemployed and there is a Met opening the Harper/Klapisch/Madden wing of the NY media will be all over it.

[nymr83]

WE WANT BOBBY V!

..but please, not Bowa!

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Swan Swan H wrote: LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Benjamin Grimm wrote: If the Mets want to hire a psychotic nutjob, they already have Wally Backman in house. Plus, he's younger, more agile, and in slightly better health. If my manager's going to throw on-field shitfits nightly, by gum, they'd better be acrobatic! I always saw Wally as the type who'd never make 60, and Bowa living to his nineties, still taking a brisk walk in a velour track suit every morning and yelling at the neighbors to put their trash cans away.

I like Bowa-as-Morty-Seinfeld/Frank-Costanza far better than I like him in a Metly pinstripe.

[Fman99]

I think Bowa could have the same type of success as Mets manager as he had as a Mets player.

[Valadius]

You know, I'm sick of seeing retreads wind up with managing jobs. Hell, I'd give it to Mattingly just to piss off the MFY fans.

[Guest Swan Swan H]

Valadius wrote: You know, I'm sick of seeing retreads wind up with managing jobs. Hell, I'd give it to Mattingly just to piss off the MFY fans.

I have no special dislike for Mattingly, but I just have a feeling that he is going to be a dismal failure as a manager.

[Guest Edgy DC]

We can do better than to give a guy his first job just to not give it to a retread.

Willie Randolph, of course, was a first-time manager, as indeed have been six of 15 non-interim Mets managers

[Benjamin Grimm]

Three of the four Mets pennant-winning managers were retreads.

[metirish]

Steve Phillips on with Francesa when asked about Valentine hesitated before saying he was the wrong person to ask about Bobby. Then made the point that if there was change it woul,dn't be Valentine because hiring from outside would force the Mets to go through an interview process with other candidates or risk a fine and pissing of MLB.

[DocTee]

Typical to want to replace a laid-back type with a firebrand, and vice versa.

My preference is a former catcher with coaching credentials (attached to Bobby V): John Stearns.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Yeah, well, that rule makes no sense. A team that makes a change mid-season has no time for a prolonged and open process to conduct a dog-and-pony show. The Mets have conducted their last five years under black managers, have dedicated their rotunda to a hero of racial integration, and should happily eat the fine if that's the move they want to make.

[Guest Swan Swan H]

metirish wrote: Steve Phillips on with Francesa when asked about Valentine hesitated before saying he was the wrong person to ask about Bobby. Then made the point that if there was change it wouldn't be Valentine because hiring from outside would force the Mets to go through an interview process with other candidates or risk a fine and pissing of MLB.

That point is pointless. If they wanted Bobby they'd either just hire him, or do the usual sham interviews for a couple of days and then hire him. Phillips should finish grinding his axe and sit on it.

[Guest Rockin' Doc]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Rockin' Doc wrote: Assuming such a managerial maneuver is true, it would appear the Mets ownership are determined to destroy the team and alienate the Mets' fans. Please let this be the managerial equivalent of a WAT rumor. Without a Trace? West Africa Time? Weapons Augmentation Team?

Wild Ass Trade rumor. I guess that was more from the old EZBoard days. Sorry about that.