Mets appear ready to yank Perez from starting rotation

[Gwreck]

Edgy DC wrote: You're not suggesting that a bullpen assignment necessarily means the end of his career, but rather that it should be used to effect that? Is that the distinction?

I think the distinction is that the bullpen assignment, and the way he is used in said assignment could mean the effective end of his career.

[Guest Swan Swan H]

Why would you want this guy in the bullpen? Why would you want him on your team? He is being asked to help the team by going to the minors to work on his game, and he is telling the Mets to fuck off. Should he go to the minors he will continue to make $32,876 a day while he's down there, and maybe have time to figure out why he has become one of the worst starting pitchers in baseball. But no, he has no interest in doing so.

I understand that removing Perez and his Japanese horror movie start from every fifth day should save the bullpen some work, but this is a pen that is being fried as it is. Having an empty uniform taking up a roster spot is ludicrous. Carrying 13 pitchers would be even worse, and if you're not going to use him that's probably what is going to happen

Performance is one thing, but this is different. If he sucked and worked hard, and made every effort to get back on track, I would have no hate for the guy. Maybe he wouldn't be earning the money with performance, but at least he'd be trying. He is doing exactly the opposite - he is saying that he knows he sucks, but there isn't anything the Mets can do about it. The Mets have to pay him no matter what. Why would you want to be reminded of the huge blunder you made every day? Release this bum, rip off the scab, and let the healing begin.

[nymr83]

Why would you want this guy in the bullpen? Why would you want him on your team?

I don't want him in the pen, but I don't want him thinking that refusing an assignment to try and work out his problems will get him either a) a release with all the money owed to him for doing nothing or a continued meaningful role on the mets.

bury him in the back of the pen, so deep that only in extra innings with everyone else gone would we use him. when he doesnt play for 3 weeks, see how he feels about Buffalo. I wonder how big he and his agent think his next contract will be if he barely pitches again for the Mets?

oh and is there anything in his contract (or the CBA) against running suicides? make him run lots of suicides.

[A Boy Named Seo]

Swan Swan H wrote: Why would you want this guy in the bullpen? Why would you want him on your team? He is being asked to help the team by going to the minors to work on his game, and he is telling the Mets to fuck off. Should he go to the minors he will continue to make $32,876 a day while he's down there, and maybe have time to figure out why he has become one of the worst starting pitchers in baseball. But no, he has no interest in doing so. I understand that removing Perez and his Japanese horror movie start from every fifth day should save the bullpen some work, but this is a pen that is being fried as it is. Having an empty uniform taking up a roster spot is ludicrous. Carrying 13 pitchers would be even worse, and if you're not going to use him that's probably what is going to happen Performance is one thing, but this is different. If he sucked and worked hard, and made every effort to get back on track, I would have no hate for the guy. Maybe he wouldn't be earning the money with performance, but at least he'd be trying. He is doing exactly the opposite - he is saying that he knows he sucks, but there isn't anything the Mets can do about it. The Mets have to pay him no matter what. Why would you want to be reminded of the huge blunder you made every day? Release this bum, rip off the scab, and let the healing begin.

Could be wrong, but didn't I read the Mets haven't even asked him to go down? If that's the case, why be all over his ass for it not doing what he hasn't been asked to do?

[Guest Swan Swan H]

From Newsday:

As for Perez, he has no intention of joining the Buffalo staff to work out his problems. With no minor-league options remaining, he would have to approve a demotion, and he didn't hesitate to answer when asked about that Saturday.

"No," Perez said. "I have to do it here. I don't want to go there because I'll find out what I have to do here."

[Guest Edgy DC]

Which doesn't mean the Mets have asked him yet.

What's with all the vindictiveness in this thread? He didn't kill a cat.

[Guest Rockin' Doc]

From what is in the media, it appears that the Mets have not asked Perez to accept a mionor league assignment, however according to the Newsday quote cited by 2SwanH, Perez has already made his intentions known. He has apparently issued a preemptive no and stated that he thinks he needs to work out his problems in New York with the Mets. To me, and apparently some others in the CPF, his response shows an unwillingness to do whatever is aked of him in an attempt to work out his problems so he can hopefully become a helpful contributor, rather than a liability to the team.

[Guest Swan Swan H]

Edgy DC wrote: Which doesn't mean the Mets have asked him yet. What's with all the vindictiveness in this thread? He didn't kill a cat.

Oh yeah? Prove he didn't.

Back to reality, you are correct, it doesn't mean they have asked. Why ask when the question has already been answered?

Why so vindictive? Perez is holding the Mets hostage. He is forcing a team that is fighting a losing battle to stay in the playoff race, in no small part because of his hideous performance, to effectively play a man short. He keeps a guy who could help the Mets wearing a Bisons jersey. He forces Nieve, Mejia and Feliciano to pitch the innings that Takahasi would have; alternately, he forces a bench guy off the team so the bullpen can be loaded with 8 players, since one is a walking corpse.

Does he think that he's going to the pen to be the eighth inning guy? He's going to Siberia. Does he think he's going to work on his troubles in game situations? Blowout games, if that, and maybe not even that. Does he think he's better or different or somehow more privileged than the hundreds of players who had established major league careers of some regard, had difficulty of one kind or another, and went to the minor leagues to right their personal ship? Apparently he does.

There is no dishonor in playing the game and failing. When you are in the position where you can help your team by accepting a role other than what you want your role to be, and you say you "have no interest" in doing so, that is dishonorable. The Mets made Oliver Perez a very rich man when no other team would. He is repaying them by spitting in their face.

Some may delight in Omar getting his comeuppance here. He made the bad signing, and now he is wearing it like an albatross. Fine, I don't disagree that giving this guy all that money has created a monster. It was a marginal call when he made it, and it has blown up in his face.

I care more about the way this will affect the roster, and the team, and the slim chance that they will remain competitive for the rest of this season. Manuel didn't sign Perez, but he's stuck with him, and the way he burns his relievers one of them may spontaneously combust if he's down to Frankie +5 instead of +6.

[Guest Swan Swan H]

From Metsblog:

According to Adam Rubin of ESPN New York, Omar Minaya says he and Oliver Perez discussed a minor league assignment, but Perez said he had no interest in doing so, therefore he will go to the bullpen and attempt to work his problems out there.

[metirish]

I've been a huge supporter of Ollie...we have a shared heritage after all......I don't really see a scenario where he trots in from the bullpen except in garbage time.....so maybe he is left to rot out there which doesn't' help him at all.

[ashie62]

metirish wrote: I've been a huge supporter of Ollie...we have a shared heritage after all......I don't really see a scenario where he trots in from the bullpen except in garbage time.....so maybe he is left to rot out there which doesn't' help him at all.

Everytime Ollie takes the hill my shared latino pride swells along with his E.R.A.

[metirish]

Ashie62 wrote: metirish wrote: I've been a huge supporter of Ollie...we have a shared heritage after all......I don't really see a scenario where he trots in from the bullpen except in garbage time.....so maybe he is left to rot out there which doesn't' help him at all. Everytime Ollie takes the hill my shared latino pride swells along with his E.R.A.

LOL...

[batmagadanleadoff]

I'm with Swannie. In this era of pitch counts and the vanishing complete game, no team can afford to carry a pitcher who'd be limited to garbage time appearances. And even if this were not true (which it is) Perez should do whatever the team asks. Personally, I don't see the debate here. Ollie's being a selfish fuck, compromising his team's ability to contend for the sake of his own ego.

metirish wrote: I've been a huge supporter of Ollie...we have a shared heritage after all......

Ollie's Irish?

[ashie62]

I am and can vouch for Ollie's Irish American heritage

[metirish]

I'm sure he marched in the parade one year , he may have gotten the flags mixed up but still.

[Guest Swan Swan H]

metirish wrote: I'm sure he marched in the parade one year , he may have gotten the flags mixed up but still.

If he marched on St. Patrick's Day, if nothing else it proves he's not gay.

[MFS62]

Swan Swan H wrote: If he marched on St. Patrick's Day, if nothing else it proves he's not gay.

I'm guessing that won't be the last thing folks say about him as long as he's with the Mets.

Later

[ashie62]

Swan Swan H wrote: metirish wrote: I'm sure he marched in the parade one year , he may have gotten the flags mixed up but still. If he marched on St. Patrick's Day, if nothing else it proves he's not gay.

not that there's anything wrong with it

[seawolf17]

metirish wrote: I've been a huge supporter of Ollie...we have a shared heritage after all......I don't really see a scenario where he trots in from the bullpen except in garbage time.....so maybe he is left to rot out there which doesn't' help him at all.

No, Irish. It's O. Perez, not O'Perez.

[Guest Kong76]

Don't look now, but the Mets have the tying run at the plate
in Jose Reyes with no outs in the 7th down 7-3.

[Guest Kong76]

Which to me is why the "lead off" hitter mayhem is bullshit. It
generally only happens once a game.

[Guest Kong76]

Matthews, Reyes, Cora and it's 7-6.

[Guest Kong76]

Posting in the wrong thread, can't move it 'cause it's too funny.

[Guest Swan Swan H]

It's like a parallel universe.

[Benjamin Grimm]

What the CPF was saying when the Mets re-signed Perez

[MFS62]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: What the CPF was saying when the Mets re-signed Perez

Looking back at that thread, I guess we're now glad there was no 4th year.

Later

[Frayed Knot]

Sometimes these situation of players agreeing to go to the minors even though they can refuse is a matter of negotiation. The player saying right of the top that he's not going isn't surprising as that's what they all say at first.
But maybe a confab with manager, GM, and agent, along with an explanation about how his recent pitching has left them without a defined role for him right now, and how it's the only way to get regular pitching in, and quite probably a promised time limit on when he'd be back convinces him to do otherwise.

And if not he might find getting back to the rotation his way even harder than the Buffalo route ... unless Niese's leg is disconnected again in which case he may not even miss a start.

[MFS62]

Frayed Knot wrote: ... unless Niese's leg is disconnected again in which case he may not even miss a start.

I wonder how much Ollie (or his agent) paid the Miami groundskeepers.

Later

[G-Fafif]

metirish wrote: I'm sure he marched in the parade one year , he may have gotten the flags mixed up but still.

Doesn't seem like he or his teammates will be marching in a ticker-tape parade any time soon.

[nymr83]

MFS62 wrote: unless Niese's leg is disconnected again in which case he may not even miss a start.

the mets can DL Niese and call up Gee/Dickey/Misch to make perez's next start and then let takahashi make niese's start after which they can use the offday monday to skip a starter for a few more days and see where they are