You're Cut

[seawolf17]

Edgy DC wrote: I thought fatherhood would drain that ability from him. Like it did to whathisname --- that poster who isn't funny anymore.

Seawolf17.

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

Bat-chucking Elijah Dukes cut by the Nats, say several tweeters....

[Guest Edgy DC]

My word.

Good luck on the Pirates, Elijah.

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

Oops, I confused Dukes with Delmon Young. Dukes has had issues, but it was Young who tossed the bat at the umpire. Apologies.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Yeah, Dukes threatened to kill his wife in front of schoolkids. Get it straight.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

metsguyinmichigan wrote: Oops, I confused Dukes with Delmon Young. Dukes has had issues, but it was Young who tossed the bat at the umpire. Apologies.

I'm sooh-ry, MGIM, but we were looking for, 'What is "Father of the Year Elijah Dukes?"'

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

And the Mariners have near-Met Petit, who I swear has never thrown a bat nor accosted his wife in front of kids.

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

Ike Davis, Tobi Stoner and Nick Evans among today's cuts.

You gotta feel for Evans. Did he even get a shot this spring?

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Who is this Nick Evans fellow of whom you speak?

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Stoner? You're cut.

Pridie, take one step forward. All those in the front row are optioned to Buffalo.

Davis, Riggans, Cabrera: You're cut too.

[Piggiestomatoes]

Looks like Buffalo may not have a half bad team this season.

In fairness, I do feel badly for Evans and Davis. Evans, as mentioned, for not getting much of a shot. Davis, because he smacked the crap out of the ball in his AB's and Murph is playing more like a Smurf this spring. I'd rather see Jacobs starting at first but if not him, play Davis.

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

My guess is that Davis is headed right where he expected to be going, and knows that his strong spring set the stage for a potential -- if not likely -- call-up this summer.

[MFS62]

LIST A
Misch
Mejia
Takahashi
Figueroa
Dessens

LIST B
Perez
Pelfrey
Nieve
Santana
Niese
Maine
Igarashi

What do players on List A have in common? What do players on List B have in common? Well, if you guessed that List A is the list of Met pitchers who may be cut, i.e. not make the 25-man roster and that List B is a list of pitchers who will make the roster, you'd be half-right. List A is actually the list of pitchers that have put up an ERA below 2.00 so far this Spring, and List B is the list of pitchers who have an ERA over 5.00 so far this Spring.

Keep repeating to yourself, "its only Spring Training".


Later

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

Scott Schoenweis cut today by the Brewers.

[smg58]

Parnell's ERA is at 2.89. Do we even know if his spot is safe?

[duan]

by my reckoning there's 17 pitchers in camp, of which we're likely to keep 12.
there they are right now in order of Innings pitched (right col ,era is left col)
who stays who goes, and who can go without getting exposed to others.

M Pelfrey 7.36 14.2
O Perez 5.73 11
J Mejia 1.69 10.2
P Misch 0.9 10
B Parnell 2.89 9.1
F Nieve 6 9
J Santana 9 9
H Takahashi 0 8.1
N Figueroa 0 8
R Igarashi 5.63 8
J Niese 7.04 7.2
J Maine 11.37 6.1
S Green 4.76 5.2
E Dessens 1.69 5.1
P Feliciano 0 4.2
F Rodriguez 6 3
K Calero 4.5 2

[smg58]

Hmm. Dessens is minor-league depth, but that still leaves four pitchers. Igarashi should need to out-pitch some relievers with ML experience and he's not doing it; down to three. Otherwise? I think Niese had to stand up and take the rotation spot away from the guys with no options, but I'm not sure the Mets are thinking on those lines. That would still leave two, though. I might try to buy time with Maine, as he doesn't look ready right now.

[TransMonk]

This is how I see the roster going north right now:

SP1: Johan Santana (L)
SP2: Mike Pelfrey ®
SP3: Oliver Perez (L)
SP4: John Maine ®
SP5: Nelson Figueroa ®

CL: Francisco Rodriguez ®
RP: Pedro Feliciano (L)
RP: Hisanori Takahashi (L)
RP: Kiko Calero ®
RP: Pat Misch ®
RP: Fernando Nieve ®
RP: Bobby Parnell ®

CF: Angel Pagan (S)
2B: Luis Castillo (S)
SS: Jose Reyes (S)
3B: David Wright ®
LF: Jason Bay ®
1B: Daniel Murphy (L)
RF: Jeff Francoeur®
C: Rod Barajas ®

C: Henry Blanco ®
INF: Alex Cora (L)
OF: Gary Matthews Jr. (S)
UTL: Fernando Tatis ®
UTL: Chris Carter (L)

I'd let Parnell, Nieve, Misch and Takahashi know that they are in the bullpen auditioning for a starting job should any of Figueroa, Maine, Perez or Pelfrey falter.

I really don't mind our lineup, bench and bullpen...but that rotation is going to do us in. Didn't we say that in December?

On edit: If Reyes isn't ready by opening day, then Tejada should ride some pine...but I bet Jose will be ready.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Is that your preference or your prediction?

My prediction matches the above, with three exceptions: I think Mejia, Jacobs, and Niese will make the team, and Misch, Carter, and Figueroa won't.

I prefer it TransMonk's way, though.

[Frayed Knot]

The only guy "left out" there is Green in the pen, although - as mentioned elsewhere - he does have options even though they do have to pay him at his full ML rate during any time spent in the minors.

[ashie62]

Is there any chance Carter steals the 1B job from Muffy?

[TransMonk]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Is that your preference or your prediction?

Sorry...to clarify...this is my preference.

[MFS62]

Ashie62 wrote: Is there any chance Carter steals the 1B job from Muffy?

There's always a chance.
But it may be a slim one.
Manuel is giving Muffy every chance to snap out of his funk and win the job.

Later

[nymr83]

wasnt Igarashi given a 2 year deal? that alone likely jumps him onto the roster ahead of Calero and maybe Misch (Misch stays if there isnt another viable long man)

[metirish]

TransMonk wrote: This is how I see the roster going north right now: SP1: Johan Santana (L) SP2: Mike Pelfrey (R) SP3: Oliver Perez (L) SP4: John Maine (R) SP5: Nelson Figueroa (R) CL: Francisco Rodriguez (R) RP: Pedro Feliciano (L) RP: Hisanori Takahashi (L) RP: Kiko Calero (R) RP: Pat Misch (R) RP: Fernando Nieve (R) RP: Bobby Parnell (R) CF: Angel Pagan (S) 2B: Luis Castillo (S) SS: Jose Reyes (S) 3B: David Wright (R) LF: Jason Bay (R) 1B: Daniel Murphy (L) RF: Jeff Francoeur(R) C: Rod Barajas (R) C: Henry Blanco (R) INF: Alex Cora (L) OF: Gary Matthews Jr. (S) UTL: Fernando Tatis (R) UTL: Chris Carter (L) I'd let Parnell, Nieve, Misch and Takahashi know that they are in the bullpen auditioning for a starting job should any of Figueroa, Maine, Perez or Pelfrey falter. I really don't mind our lineup, bench and bullpen...but that rotation is going to do us in. Didn't we say that in December? On edit: If Reyes isn't ready by opening day, then Tejada should ride some pine...but I bet Jose will be ready.

I would say this would be pretty damn close to to what we see......nice work you monk

[nymr83]

On edit: If Reyes isn't ready by opening day, then Tejada should ride some pine...but I bet Jose will be ready

I strongly disagree with this. If Tejada (or Fernando Martinez, or Ike Davis) isn't going to play every day (or at least start 5 times a week) I don't want them on the roster, I'd rather have them playing every day in Buffalo. "riding the pine" isn't where i want my top prospects.

[TransMonk]

Nymr83 wrote: wasnt Igarashi given a 2 year deal? that alone likely jumps him onto the roster ahead of Calero and maybe Misch (Misch stays if there isnt another viable long man)

Igarashi can have the spot taken by Parnell or Misch...but each of those 2 have had better springs. There are a couple of viable long men in the bullpen other than Misch.

Nymr83 wrote: On edit: If Reyes isn't ready by opening day, then Tejada should ride some pine...but I bet Jose will be ready I strongly disagree with this. If Tejada (or Fernando Martinez, or Ike Davis) isn't going to play every day (or at least start 5 times a week) I don't want them on the roster, I'd rather have them playing every day in Buffalo. "riding the pine" isn't where i want my top prospects.

I guess you'd prefer Jacobs?

[nymr83]

I'd prefer starting Tejada or Adams, its Tejada in the majors but on the bench that would bother me.

[Frayed Knot]

Nymr83 wrote: wasnt Igarashi given a 2 year deal? that alone likely jumps him onto the roster ahead of Calero and maybe Misch (Misch stays if there isnt another viable long man)

A 2-year deal means he's not likely to simply get cut loose if there's not a spot for him on the OD roster, not that he needs to be on the roster for each and every day of those two years (unless there's specific contract language that dictates otherwise).

I guess you'd prefer Jacobs?

I'd prefer Jacobs to Davis as the 25th guy on the roster*.
Of course based on what I've seen I'd prefer Carter to either one of them -- an by 'seen' I mean what I've seen of Jacobs cuz I've seen virtually nothing of Carter.



* If Muffy gets hurt or really suxx for an extended time to the point where you want a more full-time 1Bman then you've got a different story and I'd prefer Davis assuming the minor lg stint is going well.

[smg58]

Calero had a 1.95 ERA last year pitching 60 innings in the NL east. Igarashi had a 3.19 ERA pitching 53 innings in Japan. There shouldn't be a debate as to who the better pitcher is. The contracts are skewed partly because the market in early March when Calero signed was much different than the market (at least as Minaya perceived it) when Igarashi signed in mid-December. Calero has some injury concerns too, but he appears to be healthy now and Igarashi had TJS not that long ago himself.