Tatis on his way back?

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

Cerrone is reporting that the Mets are one the verge of a deal with Tatis to bring him back to platoon with Murphy.

[metirish]

Hard to see where this Carter lad is going to fit in.

[ashie62]

Cerrone is reporting that the Mets are one the verge of a deal with Tatis to bring him back to platoon with Murphy.[/quote:3k02t4qe]

I think I'm gonna get sick

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Cerrone is reporting that the Mets are one the verge of a deal with Tatis to bring him back to platoon with Murphy.[/quote:31r3e0nm]

Cerrone isn't reporting that, he's reporting that it's being reported, you printicidal maniac.

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

Cerrone is reporting that the Mets are one the verge of a deal with Tatis to bring him back to platoon with Murphy.[/quote:f5n1o1z0]

Cerrone isn't reporting that, he's reporting that it's being reported, you printicidal maniac.[/quote:f5n1o1z0]


I sit corrected. Cerrone is "buzzing" that the New York Post is reporting that the Mets are on the verge of a deal with Tatis.

And you'd think I'd be more sensitive to that considering I run around the room yelling when the local TV stations to that to my stories. And, sadly, I do it a lot.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Not just the New York Post, but Mike F. Puma --- a man who only calls himself "Mike Puma" because "Ted Sizemore" had already been taken.

A Tatis contract would really be the death knell for Delgado, wouldn't it?

[Ceetar]

You'd think. I thought Delgado's limp was a death knell for his contract though, so why would something as inconsequential as signing a guy that can play first base stop them?

[Guest Edgy DC]

I'm understainding that Delgado condition is what has stopped them, and the only relevance to Delgado of resigning more depth at the position is that it indicates to me that Delgado's condition has perhaps stopped them from looking at him.

[Valadius]

Delgado wants to go back to Toronto, but they're not biting.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

I'm understainding that Delgado condition is what has stopped them, and the only relevance to Delgado of resigning more depth at the position is that it indicates to me that Delgado's condition has perhaps stopped them from looking at him.

[metirish]

Delgado has hardly played in the field down in PR......he's broken

[Centerfield]

Yes, but how will Delgado be in a month or two?

This is crazy. We've gone from trying to sign guys who are good, to wanting to sign guys who might be good, and are now settling on signing guys who are not good.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Well, he's a small-change-makin' bench guy.

[Centerfield]

And if that's his role, I'm fine with this. But if the plan is to go with a Murphy-Tatis platoon at first, we're fucked.

[Benjamin Grimm]

I think that platoon may come about, depending on how Murphy does against lefties. But hopefully they'll start the season with Murphy getting a chance to play every day, and, again hopefully, Murphy will play so well that he'll keep the everyday job.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

My fear is that Tatis at some point will stop being an effective bench player, all bench players do. You know, he really wasn't very good when we had to rely on him to fill in early last year.

Not that he is a terrible thing to have.

[smg58]

Tatis is hardly awful. Ronnie Belliard just got less than a million, so hopefully Tatis won't get more than him. Ryan Garko is still out there, though, and he's a much better hitter against lefthanded pitching.

[Frayed Knot]

The biggest problem with Tatis was that he was needed* at the plate nearly 700 times over the last two seasons.
Cut that in half and we're in much better shape.







* OK, I guess one could argue that his late '09 appearances at 1B instead of Evans weren't needed but you get the picture.

[Guest Edgy DC]

The difference between righthanded platoon guy and bench player isn't large. I'm not sure how we're more fucked, at least intitially, with Tatis playing against lefties than we are with Murphy playing against them.

[MFS62]

An adequate bench player.
Nothing to get all excited about unless you wanted something better. But, for what he does (hit, with some power, and play multiple positions) there really isn't much out there.
I'm ok with this.

Later

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Tatis is hardly awful. Ronnie Belliard just got less than a million, so hopefully Tatis won't get more than him. Ryan Garko is still out there, though, and he's a much better hitter against lefthanded pitching.[/quote:12a1thrq]

Garko also literally cannot do anything else (including play any other position, or field first base half-decently).

More pertinently, Cora signed for 2M. Given that, and the fact that the Mets seem to be their own market, I expect Tatis might be signing for a similar amount.

[Guest attgig]

here's to hoping ike makes it out of camp....

[Guest Edgy DC]

Tatis is hardly awful. Ronnie Belliard just got less than a million, so hopefully Tatis won't get more than him. Ryan Garko is still out there, though, and he's a much better hitter against lefthanded pitching.[/quote:2gy7u3mr]

Garko also literally cannot do anything else (including play any other position, or field first base half-decently).[/quote:2gy7u3mr]
And that's something. In this world of bloated pitching staves, versatility on the bench has a value.

[Vic Sage]

i'm ok with this.
Now go sign Bedard.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Just for fun: in 2008-2009, Tatis has an OPS+ of 113. Jeff Francoeur, over that same span, has an OPS+ of 83.[/quote:q3x0dtpf]

[TransMonk]

Francoeur has nearly double the PA as Tatis in that timeframe. Tatis' splits as a sub in 08-09 are better than those as a starter. Not that he would be an everyday player should he be signed for 2010, but comparing his ability to Francoeur's is apples/organges, IMO.

[nymr83]

I'm fine with bringing Tatis back, I'd rather see him platoon with Carter than Murphy, whom I've lost faith in.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Francoeur has nearly double the PA as Tatis in that timeframe. Tatis' splits as a sub in 08-09 are better than those as a starter. Not that he would be an everyday player should he be signed for 2010, but comparing his ability to Francoeur's is apples/organges, IMO.[/quote:2rj5orlc]
I don't know about apples and oranges --- they're both swinging a bat a major league pitching --- but he did say it was just for fun.

[Ceetar]

I know people disagree with this, but I didn't see much of value from Tatis defensively (especially at first)

He seemed to have sure hands, so he tended not to make bad catches and throws, but in terms of fielding, getting to balls, etc, my impressions were not positive.

And his versitility is extremely limited (speaking from a please please please no platoon please please standpoint), because Francoeur generally plays every day (and if he sits because he sucks, Tatis isn't the answer..) Bay will play pretty much every day and Pagan is better (assuming Beltran back by May), Cora's got 2B (and SS) Wright plays virtually every day, and if Murphy is really our 1B, he plays pretty much every day too. Maybe he'd get a couple more days out from the giving a young player some rest standpoint (something Manuel's never proven to understand too well, rest..).

So while we do need a 1B/3B backup guy on the roster, that's really it. I'm not sure Tatis has that much power left, he does appear to be on the decline and it still bothers me that it took him months to fix his swing the way Keith told us he should since pretty much Spring..

[batmagadanleadoff]

"[Tatis'] versitility is extremely limited ... because ... Wright plays virtually every day, and if Murphy is really our 1B, he plays pretty much every day too....
So while we do need a 1B/3B backup guy on the roster, that's really it.... [/quote:2jejmoeh]

I don't see how Tatis' versatility is limited because Wright plays most of the games. One has nothing to do with the other. Besides, wouldn't Wright's large workload affect whoever happens to be the backup third baseman? If you say that the team needs a backup that can play both first and third, then this would be a plus in Tatis' column -- wouldn't it? By the way, Murphy sucked last year. He was below league average in just about everything (and league average includes pitcher's hitting stats) and fared even worse when compared against players at his two positions, who tend to put up superior Al-Star/MVP type hitting numbers.

In fact, one could argue that Murphy and Wright were bigger problems in 2009 than Tatis. (And Sheffield. Tatis and Sheffield.)