Will Carroll: Beltran might miss all of 2010

[nymr83]

it was really 'soft' of him to get a concussion running into Mike Cameron to get to a ball.

[seawolf17]

Maybe his mole is soft.

[Centerfield]

If Beltran plays soft, give me more soft players.

My problem is Beltran playing hard (out there on a bad knee) when he should be sipping drinks on a beach until his knee is 100%.

[metirish]

I'm certain there was a question about his "toughness' a few years ago and I may have even partaken in such nonsense but it's not valid talk.

[nymr83]

="Centerfield":3mtgukzx]If Beltran plays soft, give me more soft players. My problem is Beltran playing hard (out there on a bad knee) when he should be sipping drinks on a beach until his knee is 100%.[/quote:3mtgukzx] or until the Mets are within 10 or so net games back of the division or wildcard, or april 1st 2010. i hate that anyone is being rushed back right now. rushed might not even be the right word, i hate that anyone is even being allowed to 'resume baseball activities' at less than 100%, the team doesnt need them (because the season is o-v-e-r), the team needs them healthy next spring. the exception is delgado, since he is a free agent i'd tell him that its entirely up to him whether he wants to worry more about a) getting healthy or showcasing himself at less than 100%

Ashie62 Aug 04 2009 04:48 PM

The whole team, from top to bottom is soft. I hope Carlos Delgado returns so he can showcase himself or as a curtain call for Cooperstown Beltran & Reyes are excused for 2009. Personally I hope Reyes is excused for good.

Frayed Knot Aug 04 2009 05:55 PM

I may regret asking this, but what defines a player as "soft"?

Valadius Aug 04 2009 06:12 PM

You hope Reyes is excused for good? Are you dissatisfied with his work?

Ashie62 Aug 04 2009 06:27 PM

Excessive absenteism by a key employee is usually cause for dismissal. Beyond that, it is my feeling that Reyes will be dealing with his hammy for the rest of his baseball life. Thank you for your help Mr. Reyes you now work for -----

OlerudOwned Aug 04 2009 06:35 PM

I still don't get the logic that Sizemore will be under less scrutiny moving from Cleveland to New York.

Kong76 Aug 04 2009 06:37 PM

A62: Excessive absenteism by a key employee is usually cause for dismissal <<< Not for medical reasons. A62: Beyond that, it is my feeling that Reyes will be dealing with his hammy for the rest of his baseball life <<< Stop the presses, Ashie62 had a feeling.

Ashie62 Aug 04 2009 06:45 PM

Unfortunately for a Professional athlete medical reasons count You're telling me in all seriousness Reye's problems don't concern you beyond the here & now? If not, so be it, I disagree, thats all

Frayed Knot Aug 04 2009 06:51 PM

And let me guess, you knew this hamstring situation was going to be a lingering problem in 2005, then would allow him to play virtually every inning of 2006, 2007, and 2008, before becoming a lingering problem again in 2009 and beyond?

Kong76 Aug 04 2009 06:51 PM

Being concerned doesn't have me penciling him in for never seeing another AB in a Mets' uniform. You're itchin' to go cleon or whatever ... resist the temptation.

PiggiesTomatoes Aug 04 2009 08:41 PM

What does leg discomfort mean? Is there a pussy factor here?

Edgy DC Aug 04 2009 09:11 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 04 2009 09:34 PM

Oh, come on. Pussy factor? ]Unfortunately for a Professional athlete medical reasons count Just about anywhere in the civilized world, if you get injured in the line of duty, the company is responsible for you.

Ashie62 Aug 04 2009 09:21 PM

="Kong76":2iq5lj0m]Being concerned doesn't have me penciling him in for never seeing another AB in a Mets' uniform. You're itchin' to go cleon or whatever ... resist the temptation.[/quote:2iq5lj0m] I don't understand the large amount of support for Reyes on this board. Yeah, he's hurt and in a couple of days we'll find out how badly. His full season numbers are impressive, but he disappeared the last 2 Septembers, and wasn't doing much til 5/21 of 09. I'm the only one on this board that would like to move him?? That surprises me. Edgy DC Aug 04 2009 09:40 PM ="Ashie62":30jtftth]I don't understand the large amount of support for Reyes on this board.[/quote:30jtftth] It's a board full of Met fans. He's easily the best shortstop that has ever worn the uniform. In almost 50 years. ="Ashie62":30jtftth]Yeah, he's hurt and in a couple of days we'll find out how badly.[/quote:30jtftth] And getting hurt is generally considered a forgiveable offense. ="Ashie62":30jtftth]His full season numbers are impressive, but he disappeared the last 2 Septembers, and wasn't doing much til 5/21 of 09.[/quote:30jtftth] That's cherry-picking and vindictive. And almost certainly counter-productive. ="Ashie62":30jtftth]I'm the only one on this board that would like to move him?? That surprises me.[/quote:30jtftth] Yet it seems true. Piggy may be leaning your way, however. You strike me, to be fair, as a fan who is usually looking over the shoulders of the current players for the next thing. Reyes is far from perfect but I can't think of anybody on this team whose performance is harder to replace. We're seeing that everyday. seawolf17 Aug 05 2009 04:53 AM Plus there's the whole "he's only 25" thing. Hell, guys get hurt; it happens. But he's still getting BETTER. Shut him down and get him ready for 2010. Moving him is asinine, especially considering that you get shit for him coming off an injury. If the Mets trade him in the offseason, then he comes back and has a typical year next year for the Brewers or whoever, then you're the first one bitching about why we traded this guy and complaining why David Fucking Eckstein is our shortstop. Mex17 Aug 05 2009 05:41 AM The last game before he got hurt provided a good example as to why people were beginning to get sick of him. The player has immense talent. The ability/desire to become great by means of actually thinking about what you are doing on the field as opposed to playing by the seat of your pants may or may not come. It's a tough mix to handle, you do not want to sacrfice that natural joy but you do want to see some added seasoning from him. Kong76 Aug 05 2009 06:16 AM A62: I don't understand the large amount of support for Reyes on this board <<< You made a delirious prediction that he'd never play another game as a Met and now it's taken longer for him to come back and I'm sick of hearing you bang your drum is what it boils down to for me. I'm not opposed to moving anyone for the right price. Including posters :-) Edgy DC Aug 05 2009 07:15 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 05 2009 08:49 AM I think Reyes thinks about what he is doing on the field. And I think he has displayed more than a little seasoning. metsmarathon Aug 05 2009 08:38 AM y'know, i always thought rickey henderson had hamstring problems... also, i've noticed through my own experience that about the only muscle group that's perhaps more tricky and annoying to recover from than a hamstring is a quad. i give beltran all the credit in the world for playing as much as he had, and as well as he had, with his various quad strains. that's hardly soft in my book. Edgy DC Aug 05 2009 08:51 AM Yeah, Ricky was a lazy shiftless goodfornutttin' with the Yanks for not getting back from injuries faster and then he ends up playing 20 more years and has to be dragged from the field. Ashie62 Aug 05 2009 09:29 AM ="Kong76"]A62: I don't understand the large amount of support for Reyes on this board <<< You made a delirious prediction that he'd never play another game as a Met and now it's taken longer for him to come back and I'm sick of hearing you bang your drum is what it boils down to for me. I'm not opposed to moving anyone for the right price. Including posters :-) I wouldn't say it was a delirious prediction, but I can be traded for a poster to be named later. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 05 2009 09:30 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 05 2009 09:50 AM Does that mean we may have to put up with another 20-some-odd years of killing speed, .490 slugging and absurdly skilled defense... and attendant displays of joy that piss off opponents for whom we don't particularly care? Crap. From here on in, I may need to have a delicious beer or two per game in order to choke this possibility down, and clap until my hands hurt to drown out that awful crowing and cheering after one of those disgustingly flamboyant triples. Ashie62 Aug 05 2009 09:36 AM ="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr"]Does that mean we may have to put up with another 20-some-odd years of killing speed, .490 slugging and absurdly skilled defense... andattendant displays of joy that piss off opponents for whom we don't particularly care? Crap. From here on in, I may need to have a beer or two per game in order to choke this possibility down, and clap until my hands hurt to drown out that awful crowing and cheering after one of those disgustingly flamboyant triples. Have a Schaefer on me

[ashie62]

The whole team, from top to bottom is soft.

I hope Carlos Delgado returns so he can showcase himself or as a curtain call for Cooperstown

Beltran & Reyes are excused for 2009. Personally I hope Reyes is excused for good.

[Frayed Knot]

I may regret asking this, but what defines a player as "soft"?

[Valadius]

You hope Reyes is excused for good? Are you dissatisfied with his work?

[ashie62]

Excessive absenteism by a key employee is usually cause for dismissal.

Beyond that, it is my feeling that Reyes will be dealing with his hammy for the rest of his baseball life.

Thank you for your help Mr. Reyes you now work for -----

[Guest OlerudOwned]

I still don't get the logic that Sizemore will be under less scrutiny moving from Cleveland to New York.

[Guest Kong76]

A62: Excessive absenteism by a key employee is usually cause for dismissal <<<

Not for medical reasons.

A62: Beyond that, it is my feeling that Reyes will be dealing with his hammy for the rest of his baseball life <<<

Stop the presses, Ashie62 had a feeling.

[ashie62]

Unfortunately for a Professional athlete medical reasons count

You're telling me in all seriousness Reye's problems don't concern you beyond the here & now?

If not, so be it, I disagree, thats all

[Frayed Knot]

And let me guess, you knew this hamstring situation was going to be a lingering problem in 2005, then would allow him to play virtually every inning of 2006, 2007, and 2008, before becoming a lingering problem again in 2009 and beyond?

[Guest Kong76]

Being concerned doesn't have me penciling him in for never seeing another
AB in a Mets' uniform.

You're itchin' to go cleon or whatever ... resist the temptation.

[Piggiestomatoes]

What does leg discomfort mean? Is there a pussy factor here?

[Guest Edgy DC]

Oh, come on. Pussy factor?

]Unfortunately for a Professional athlete medical reasons count

Just about anywhere in the civilized world, if you get injured in the line of duty, the company is responsible for you.

Edited August 4, 2009 by Guest

[ashie62]

="Kong76":2iq5lj0m]Being concerned doesn't have me penciling him in for never seeing another AB in a Mets' uniform. You're itchin' to go cleon or whatever ... resist the temptation.[/quote:2iq5lj0m] I don't understand the large amount of support for Reyes on this board. Yeah, he's hurt and in a couple of days we'll find out how badly. His full season numbers are impressive, but he disappeared the last 2 Septembers, and wasn't doing much til 5/21 of 09. I'm the only one on this board that would like to move him?? That surprises me.

Edgy DC Aug 04 2009 09:40 PM

="Ashie62":30jtftth]I don't understand the large amount of support for Reyes on this board.[/quote:30jtftth] It's a board full of Met fans. He's easily the best shortstop that has ever worn the uniform. In almost 50 years. ="Ashie62":30jtftth]Yeah, he's hurt and in a couple of days we'll find out how badly.[/quote:30jtftth] And getting hurt is generally considered a forgiveable offense. ="Ashie62":30jtftth]His full season numbers are impressive, but he disappeared the last 2 Septembers, and wasn't doing much til 5/21 of 09.[/quote:30jtftth] That's cherry-picking and vindictive. And almost certainly counter-productive. ="Ashie62":30jtftth]I'm the only one on this board that would like to move him?? That surprises me.[/quote:30jtftth] Yet it seems true. Piggy may be leaning your way, however. You strike me, to be fair, as a fan who is usually looking over the shoulders of the current players for the next thing. Reyes is far from perfect but I can't think of anybody on this team whose performance is harder to replace. We're seeing that everyday. seawolf17 Aug 05 2009 04:53 AM Plus there's the whole "he's only 25" thing. Hell, guys get hurt; it happens. But he's still getting BETTER. Shut him down and get him ready for 2010. Moving him is asinine, especially considering that you get shit for him coming off an injury. If the Mets trade him in the offseason, then he comes back and has a typical year next year for the Brewers or whoever, then you're the first one bitching about why we traded this guy and complaining why David Fucking Eckstein is our shortstop. Mex17 Aug 05 2009 05:41 AM The last game before he got hurt provided a good example as to why people were beginning to get sick of him. The player has immense talent. The ability/desire to become great by means of actually thinking about what you are doing on the field as opposed to playing by the seat of your pants may or may not come. It's a tough mix to handle, you do not want to sacrfice that natural joy but you do want to see some added seasoning from him. Kong76 Aug 05 2009 06:16 AM A62: I don't understand the large amount of support for Reyes on this board <<< You made a delirious prediction that he'd never play another game as a Met and now it's taken longer for him to come back and I'm sick of hearing you bang your drum is what it boils down to for me. I'm not opposed to moving anyone for the right price. Including posters :-) Edgy DC Aug 05 2009 07:15 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 05 2009 08:49 AM I think Reyes thinks about what he is doing on the field. And I think he has displayed more than a little seasoning. metsmarathon Aug 05 2009 08:38 AM y'know, i always thought rickey henderson had hamstring problems... also, i've noticed through my own experience that about the only muscle group that's perhaps more tricky and annoying to recover from than a hamstring is a quad. i give beltran all the credit in the world for playing as much as he had, and as well as he had, with his various quad strains. that's hardly soft in my book. Edgy DC Aug 05 2009 08:51 AM Yeah, Ricky was a lazy shiftless goodfornutttin' with the Yanks for not getting back from injuries faster and then he ends up playing 20 more years and has to be dragged from the field. Ashie62 Aug 05 2009 09:29 AM ="Kong76"]A62: I don't understand the large amount of support for Reyes on this board <<< You made a delirious prediction that he'd never play another game as a Met and now it's taken longer for him to come back and I'm sick of hearing you bang your drum is what it boils down to for me. I'm not opposed to moving anyone for the right price. Including posters :-) I wouldn't say it was a delirious prediction, but I can be traded for a poster to be named later. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 05 2009 09:30 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 05 2009 09:50 AM Does that mean we may have to put up with another 20-some-odd years of killing speed, .490 slugging and absurdly skilled defense... and attendant displays of joy that piss off opponents for whom we don't particularly care? Crap. From here on in, I may need to have a delicious beer or two per game in order to choke this possibility down, and clap until my hands hurt to drown out that awful crowing and cheering after one of those disgustingly flamboyant triples. Ashie62 Aug 05 2009 09:36 AM ="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr"]Does that mean we may have to put up with another 20-some-odd years of killing speed, .490 slugging and absurdly skilled defense... andattendant displays of joy that piss off opponents for whom we don't particularly care? Crap. From here on in, I may need to have a beer or two per game in order to choke this possibility down, and clap until my hands hurt to drown out that awful crowing and cheering after one of those disgustingly flamboyant triples. Have a Schaefer on me

[Guest Edgy DC]

="Ashie62":30jtftth]I don't understand the large amount of support for Reyes on this board.[/quote:30jtftth] It's a board full of Met fans. He's easily the best shortstop that has ever worn the uniform. In almost 50 years. ="Ashie62":30jtftth]Yeah, he's hurt and in a couple of days we'll find out how badly.[/quote:30jtftth] And getting hurt is generally considered a forgiveable offense. ="Ashie62":30jtftth]His full season numbers are impressive, but he disappeared the last 2 Septembers, and wasn't doing much til 5/21 of 09.[/quote:30jtftth] That's cherry-picking and vindictive. And almost certainly counter-productive. ="Ashie62":30jtftth]I'm the only one on this board that would like to move him?? That surprises me.[/quote:30jtftth] Yet it seems true. Piggy may be leaning your way, however. You strike me, to be fair, as a fan who is usually looking over the shoulders of the current players for the next thing. Reyes is far from perfect but I can't think of anybody on this team whose performance is harder to replace. We're seeing that everyday. seawolf17 Aug 05 2009 04:53 AM Plus there's the whole "he's only 25" thing. Hell, guys get hurt; it happens. But he's still getting BETTER. Shut him down and get him ready for 2010. Moving him is asinine, especially considering that you get shit for him coming off an injury. If the Mets trade him in the offseason, then he comes back and has a typical year next year for the Brewers or whoever, then you're the first one bitching about why we traded this guy and complaining why David Fucking Eckstein is our shortstop. Mex17 Aug 05 2009 05:41 AM The last game before he got hurt provided a good example as to why people were beginning to get sick of him. The player has immense talent. The ability/desire to become great by means of actually thinking about what you are doing on the field as opposed to playing by the seat of your pants may or may not come. It's a tough mix to handle, you do not want to sacrfice that natural joy but you do want to see some added seasoning from him. Kong76 Aug 05 2009 06:16 AM A62: I don't understand the large amount of support for Reyes on this board <<< You made a delirious prediction that he'd never play another game as a Met and now it's taken longer for him to come back and I'm sick of hearing you bang your drum is what it boils down to for me. I'm not opposed to moving anyone for the right price. Including posters :-) Edgy DC Aug 05 2009 07:15 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 05 2009 08:49 AM I think Reyes thinks about what he is doing on the field. And I think he has displayed more than a little seasoning. metsmarathon Aug 05 2009 08:38 AM y'know, i always thought rickey henderson had hamstring problems... also, i've noticed through my own experience that about the only muscle group that's perhaps more tricky and annoying to recover from than a hamstring is a quad. i give beltran all the credit in the world for playing as much as he had, and as well as he had, with his various quad strains. that's hardly soft in my book. Edgy DC Aug 05 2009 08:51 AM Yeah, Ricky was a lazy shiftless goodfornutttin' with the Yanks for not getting back from injuries faster and then he ends up playing 20 more years and has to be dragged from the field. Ashie62 Aug 05 2009 09:29 AM ="Kong76"]A62: I don't understand the large amount of support for Reyes on this board <<< You made a delirious prediction that he'd never play another game as a Met and now it's taken longer for him to come back and I'm sick of hearing you bang your drum is what it boils down to for me. I'm not opposed to moving anyone for the right price. Including posters :-) I wouldn't say it was a delirious prediction, but I can be traded for a poster to be named later. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 05 2009 09:30 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 05 2009 09:50 AM Does that mean we may have to put up with another 20-some-odd years of killing speed, .490 slugging and absurdly skilled defense... and attendant displays of joy that piss off opponents for whom we don't particularly care? Crap. From here on in, I may need to have a delicious beer or two per game in order to choke this possibility down, and clap until my hands hurt to drown out that awful crowing and cheering after one of those disgustingly flamboyant triples. Ashie62 Aug 05 2009 09:36 AM ="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr"]Does that mean we may have to put up with another 20-some-odd years of killing speed, .490 slugging and absurdly skilled defense... andattendant displays of joy that piss off opponents for whom we don't particularly care? Crap. From here on in, I may need to have a beer or two per game in order to choke this possibility down, and clap until my hands hurt to drown out that awful crowing and cheering after one of those disgustingly flamboyant triples. Have a Schaefer on me

[seawolf17]

Plus there's the whole "he's only 25" thing. Hell, guys get hurt; it happens. But he's still getting BETTER. Shut him down and get him ready for 2010. Moving him is asinine, especially considering that you get shit for him coming off an injury.

If the Mets trade him in the offseason, then he comes back and has a typical year next year for the Brewers or whoever, then you're the first one bitching about why we traded this guy and complaining why David Fucking Eckstein is our shortstop.

[Mex17]

The last game before he got hurt provided a good example as to why people were beginning to get sick of him.

The player has immense talent. The ability/desire to become great by means of actually thinking about what you are doing on the field as opposed to playing by the seat of your pants may or may not come.

It's a tough mix to handle, you do not want to sacrfice that natural joy but you do want to see some added seasoning from him.

[Guest Kong76]

A62: I don't understand the large amount of support for Reyes on this board <<<

You made a delirious prediction that he'd never play another game as a Met
and now it's taken longer for him to come back and I'm sick of hearing you
bang your drum is what it boils down to for me.

I'm not opposed to moving anyone for the right price. Including posters :-)

[Guest Edgy DC]

I think Reyes thinks about what he is doing on the field. And I think he has displayed more than a little seasoning.

Edited August 5, 2009 by Guest

[metsmarathon]

y'know, i always thought rickey henderson had hamstring problems...

also, i've noticed through my own experience that about the only muscle group that's perhaps more tricky and annoying to recover from than a hamstring is a quad. i give beltran all the credit in the world for playing as much as he had, and as well as he had, with his various quad strains. that's hardly soft in my book.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Yeah, Ricky was a lazy shiftless goodfornutttin' with the Yanks for not getting back from injuries faster and then he ends up playing 20 more years and has to be dragged from the field.

[ashie62]

="Kong76"]A62: I don't understand the large amount of support for Reyes on this board <<< You made a delirious prediction that he'd never play another game as a Met and now it's taken longer for him to come back and I'm sick of hearing you bang your drum is what it boils down to for me. I'm not opposed to moving anyone for the right price. Including posters :-)

I wouldn't say it was a delirious prediction, but I can be traded for a poster to be named later.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Does that mean we may have to put up with another 20-some-odd years of killing speed, .490 slugging and absurdly skilled defense... and attendant displays of joy that piss off opponents for whom we don't particularly care?

Crap. From here on in, I may need to have a delicious beer or two per game in order to choke this possibility down, and clap until my hands hurt to drown out that awful crowing and cheering after one of those disgustingly flamboyant triples.

Edited August 5, 2009 by Guest

[ashie62]

="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr"]Does that mean we may have to put up with another 20-some-odd years of killing speed, .490 slugging and absurdly skilled defense... andattendant displays of joy that piss off opponents for whom we don't particularly care? Crap. From here on in, I may need to have a beer or two per game in order to choke this possibility down, and clap until my hands hurt to drown out that awful crowing and cheering after one of those disgustingly flamboyant triples.

Have a Schaefer on me