Poor Mets fans

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

="Swan Swan H"]I saw Tony Luke on a Food Network show. Phillies Lovin' Douchebag, with the emphasis on the 'bag.

Saw the same show... and have been to the mothership (went to school in Philly)... and hells yes, he is-- the entire place is plastered with starf*cking photos and the like, and both he and the rest of the management (mostly extended family) carry themselves with a pronounced "F*ck you-- buy something" charm. (The guy who owns Geno's-- of "English-only" fame-- is cut from the same cloth.) That said, the sandwiches are delectable. And there's a place around here on 9th near the Port Authority-- Shorty's, I think it's called-- that used to be a Tony Luke's demi-franchise, but had to change the name due to ownership issues; the sandwiches, though, are straight out of the TL playbook. (Also, good beer selection.)

http://www.tonylukes.com/menu.htm

The Schmitter-- also worth a stab (and, shortly thereafter, stabbing pains up and down your left arm).

Edited May 1, 2009 by Guest

[Guest themetfairy]

That thing probably has more calories than I eat in an entire day....

[seawolf17]

Focus, people! Focus! His hat!

[Benjamin Grimm]

Like I said, pitchforks and torches. And pulled pork.

He may be a Mets guy in Michigan, but when he's in Pennsylvania he's apparently a Phillies guy.

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

No wait, that Schmitter looks pretty good. Do they sell those in the stadium? We went to Pats, the epicenter for all things cheesesteak, earlier in the day.

Anybody ever go to Pat's?

Oh, wait a second. Did you think that was me in the hat? No, no, I'm the guy in the sun glasses going hatless.

There was a time when I kinda looked a little like Luzinski. People would pass me in the concourse saying, "Hey! Bull!" and "Bull, why are you wearing a Mets jacket, Mets socks and Mets crocks?"

[soupcan]

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Yes, they do serve the Schmitter there. Also, we win. WOOT!


Back to serious business... what shall be MGIM's penalty? There's got to be some sort of penance thing here, no?

(And hat off to Soup. Nicely turned.)

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

="soupcan"]

Bad ass!

[Guest Edgy DC]

I think I just realized that the Capital City Goofball is somehow descended from both Mr. Met and the Phanatic.

[Guest Edgy DC]

And by the by, I guess we're supposed to be all "in your face, phuckin' phils and phils phans!" and spoilin some shit, but the real enemum --- to Mets fans and Phils phans --- is this Gonzalez guy, whose allegiance to the Phils and contempt for the Mets is all bullshit, but he's collecting a check for stocking the flame.

[Guest Number 6]

I honestly never knew that Phillies fans cared so much about the Mets, but they've certainly come out of the woodwork since the Series. I've never really given much of a damn about the Phillies, and their victory has only increased the damn-giving quotient slightly. Maybe I care a tiny bit now, but they'll suck again before long, and go back to being just another team.

Personally, I'd rather this "rivalry" be defined by schmucks like this guy howling into a wind tunnel on one side, followed by disinterest at the other end, so I'll keep any further thoughts to myself.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Yes, it's been a one-sided rivalry for a long time. I was surprised, when I moved to the Philly suburbs back in 1988, to find so much hatred for the Mets.

Philadelphia also has a one-sided rivalry with the Eagles/Cowboys.

And in both cases, they have no idea. People here are surprisingly provincial.

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr"]Yes, they do serve the Schmitter there. Also, we win. WOOT! Back to serious business... what shall be MGIM's penalty? There's got to be some sort of penance thing here, no? (And hat off to Soup. Nicely turned.)

I throw myself on the mercy of the Pool.

When I was young and foolish, I was young and foolish.

As a penance, I pledge to wear my Mets cap -- blue version -- to any and all sporting events and other functions that are appropriate.

Plus, when we arrive at Citi Field in August, I'll bring the sidewalk chalk for Edgy's scheme.

And I pledge not to be wooed into misbehavior by pulled pork sandwiches. Again.

Edited May 2, 2009 by Guest

[Benjamin Grimm]

That's what we want to see. Remorse.

[Guest Rotblatt]

I have to say, their ballpark is really pleasant and very similar in layout to CitiField. The edge definitely goes to CF for me, though, partially because, as traitorinmichagan says, our facade and rotunda are just gorgeous.

I was actually in Philly for the last game of the Series (campaigning for Obama), and got placed with two Phillies fans. They gave me a good-natured hard time, but were also gracious hosts, and invited me out to watch the game with them. Pretty crazy night, but fun (and yes, I rooted for the Phillies over the Rays--gotta root for the NL--but I wore my Cyclones hat).

I did find myself thinking that the Mets team should have been there incognito, because I suspect watching a rival team's entire city turn out to celebrate victory would give them a little extra motivation. I know it made me pretty eager for a WS pennant . . .

[ashie62]

="Benjamin Grimm":sddeci55]Yes, it's been a one-sided rivalry for a long time. I was surprised, when I moved to the Philly suburbs back in 1988, to find so much hatred for the Mets. Philadelphia also has a one-sided rivalry with the Eagles/Cowboys. And in both cases, they have no idea. People here are surprisingly provincial.[/quote:sddeci55] Mets fans aren't..what about the MFY's

Fman99 May 03 2009 08:40 AM

I detest the Phillies and their fans. It took going to a Mets-Phils tilt at Shea in '07 just to see how obnoxious they were.

SteveJRogers May 03 2009 08:44 AM

="Benjamin Grimm"]Yes, it's been a one-sided rivalry for a long time. I was surprised, when I moved to the Philly suburbs back in 1988, to find so much hatred for the Mets. Philadelphia also has a one-sided rivalry with the Eagles/Cowboys. And in both cases, they have no idea. People here are surprisingly provincial. I'm pretty sure the Dallas side got reved up during the halcyon days of the 1990s, probably still to this day. Dating back to Buddy Ryan supposedly putting bounties on several players, including Troy Aikman, all the way through Michael Irvin's career coming to an end on the Vet turf, and Philly fans cheering the injury.

Benjamin Grimm May 03 2009 09:17 AM

I've been to the Dallas area several times, and it appears that their rival there is the Redskins. I see all kinds of anti-Dallas Cowboys bumper stickers and stuff in the Philly area, but nothing at all about the Eagles in Texas.

Benjamin Grimm May 03 2009 09:19 AM

="Fman99":e7xldmhk]I detest the Phillies and their fans. It took going to a Mets-Phils tilt at Shea in '07 just to see how obnoxious they were.[/quote:e7xldmhk] I was at a Mets-Phillies game in 2007 too. I'm not going to go back. It was such an ugly atmosphere I don't want to go there with my kids. (Carlos Gomez, I remember, injured himself and the fans were whooping and hollering with joy.) MFS62 May 03 2009 10:20 AM ="Benjamin Grimm":3mzmcfb5]I've been to the Dallas area several times, and it appears that their rival there is the Redskins. I see all kinds of anti-Dallas Cowboys bumper stickers and stuff in the Philly area, but nothing at all about the Eagles in Texas.[/quote:3mzmcfb5] Agree. I was on a business trip to Dallas a number of years back with an associate who was an avid Redskins fan. We went to a bar to watch a Redskins/ Cowboys Monday night game. The 'Skins were beating up on the 'Pokes that night, real bad - IIRC around 40-something to nil. As the game progressed, he was cheering louder and louder, the patrons were getting madder and madder and I was moving farther and farther away from him. I think the fact that he was a 6'3" 240 lb ex-Notre Dame football player was what may have saved his reckless hide. BTW - it appears that you only need two things to open a bar in Dallas - a liquor license and a full sized poster of the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders. Back to the main point, the Eagles were never mentioned other than on game day during my many trips to Dallas. We now return you to the Philly talk. Later LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 03 2009 01:24 PM ="Benjamin Grimm":rc5gkky6] ="Fman99":rc5gkky6]I detest the Phillies and their fans. It took going to a Mets-Phils tilt at Shea in '07 just to see how obnoxious they were.[/quote:rc5gkky6] I was at a Mets-Phillies game in 2007 too. I'm not going to go back. It was such an ugly atmosphere I don't want to go there with my kids. (Carlos Gomez, I remember, injured himself and the fans were whooping and hollering with joy.)[/quote:rc5gkky6] There's a difference between actual Phils fans-- a loyal, pretty well-informed group-- and college kids/dropouts who need somewhere to drink between Flyer season and Eagle season (steadily increasing in number since 2004 or so, roughly coincident with the rise of Utley and Hamels and Howard). I went to yesterday's game via public transport sporting the usual complement of regalia (away Santana jersey, trad blue-and-orange hat), and ended up having a nice little chat with two Phils-cap-wearing strangers comparing the relative bench strengths of the '69 Mets and the '08 Phils. Thanks to a train delay, I got inside the game in the bottom of the first. I asked a group of twentysomethings in red if they knew how the Phils' runs scored, and got called a "New Jork (think bad imitation of a Hispanic accent) queer" by a leering dude in a "World Phucking Champions" tee for my trouble. There are some in every fanbase... the ugly ones are just as bad when they're wearing blue and orange camo. Fman99 May 03 2009 02:22 PM ="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":25pp1ahd] ="Benjamin Grimm":25pp1ahd] ="Fman99":25pp1ahd]I detest the Phillies and their fans. It took going to a Mets-Phils tilt at Shea in '07 just to see how obnoxious they were.[/quote:25pp1ahd] I was at a Mets-Phillies game in 2007 too. I'm not going to go back. It was such an ugly atmosphere I don't want to go there with my kids. (Carlos Gomez, I remember, injured himself and the fans were whooping and hollering with joy.)[/quote:25pp1ahd] There's a difference between actual Phils fans-- a loyal, pretty well-informed group-- and college kids/dropouts who need somewhere to drink between Flyer season and Eagle season (steadily increasing in number since 2004 or so, roughly coincident with the rise of Utley and Hamels and Howard). I went to yesterday's game via public transport sporting the usual complement of regalia (away Santana jersey, trad blue-and-orange hat), and ended up having a nice little chat with two Phils-cap-wearing strangers comparing the relative bench strengths of the '69 Mets and the '08 Phils. Thanks to a train delay, I got inside the game in the bottom of the first. I asked a group of twentysomethings in red if they knew how the Phils' runs scored, and got called a "New Jork (think bad imitation of a Hispanic accent) queer" by a leering dude in a "World Phucking Champions" tee for my trouble. There are some in every fanbase... the ugly ones are just as bad when they're wearing blue and orange camo.[/quote:25pp1ahd] I will admit, there were more thugs in Met gear that day in '07 than I've ever been around in any other Mets game. In addition to the brutes in red. People are animals. metsguyinmichigan May 03 2009 03:18 PM ="Fman99":1ib6d02i]People are animals.[/quote:1ib6d02i] But, if you pretend to be one of them by wearing the home cap when they're playing the Diamondbacks, they let you pose with their heroes and buy pulled pork. Or so I've heard. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 03 2009 04:08 PM ="metsguyinmichigan":ers845mm] ="Fman99":ers845mm]People are animals.[/quote:ers845mm] But, if you pretend to be one of them by wearing the home cap when they're playing the Diamondbacks, they let you pose with their heroes and buy pulled pork. Or so I've heard. [/quote:ers845mm] I actually sought out Luzinski twice-- once pre-game, once in-game-- to see if he'd take a picture with a guy in a Johan jersey. Swing-and-miss both times. Perhaps he had a derby party at the Murray house to attend. metsguyinmichigan May 03 2009 05:45 PM ="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr"] ="metsguyinmichigan"] ="Fman99"]People are animals. But, if you pretend to be one of them by wearing the home cap when they're playing the Diamondbacks, they let you pose with their heroes and buy pulled pork. Or so I've heard. I actually sought out Luzinski twice-- once pre-game, once in-game-- to see if he'd take a picture with a guy in a Johan jersey. Swing-and-miss both times. Perhaps he had a derby party at the Murray house to attend. Totally. And here's proof: I tried taking a photo of the race off the telvision, and I'm like, "Bull! Down in front!" And the thing is, he wasn't even a good houseguest. I'm like, "Greg, not for nothing, but I took a lot of heat from by friends this week for hanging with you. And all you bring to the party is a bag of chips that you got at the gas station on the way here? Not cool, Bull. We were hoping for some pulled pork." And he was like, "Whatever. Where are the julips?" And he made fun of my daughter's hat. My wife said I can't invite him next year. Frayed Knot May 03 2009 06:06 PM ="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":19k9poyd] ="Benjamin Grimm":19k9poyd] ="Fman99":19k9poyd]I detest the Phillies and their fans. It took going to a Mets-Phils tilt at Shea in '07 just to see how obnoxious they were.[/quote:19k9poyd] I was at a Mets-Phillies game in 2007 too. I'm not going to go back. It was such an ugly atmosphere I don't want to go there with my kids. (Carlos Gomez, I remember, injured himself and the fans were whooping and hollering with joy.)[/quote:19k9poyd] There's a difference between actual Phils fans-- a loyal, pretty well-informed group-- and college kids/dropouts who need somewhere to drink between Flyer season and Eagle season (steadily increasing in number since 2004 or so, roughly coincident with the rise of Utley and Hamels and Howard). I went to yesterday's game via public transport sporting the usual complement of regalia (away Santana jersey, trad blue-and-orange hat), and ended up having a nice little chat with two Phils-cap-wearing strangers comparing the relative bench strengths of the '69 Mets and the '08 Phils. Thanks to a train delay, I got inside the game in the bottom of the first. I asked a group of twentysomethings in red if they knew how the Phils' runs scored, and got called a "New Jork (think bad imitation of a Hispanic accent) queer" by a leering dude in a "World Phucking Champions" tee for my trouble. There are some in every fanbase... the ugly ones are just as bad when they're wearing blue and orange camo.[/quote:19k9poyd] I think the sports media in Philly tends to drive a lot of that kind of stuff. Even the worst of WFAN sounds like 'Masterpiece Theatre' compared to most of WIP. Encouraging callers whose sole point is to say 'Cowboys Suck' seems to be considered standard programming on some shows. I've always thought of Philly as more a football & hockey town as compared to baseball & hoops so maybe the macho attitude of those two sports help give the city its rep. The anti-Met thing I think it more just an extension of an overall anti-NYC bias that exists in a lot of places - just even moreso when your city is only 100 miles down the road. Perhaps the attitudes in Philly - like Boston in many ways - were formed way back by people who never got over NYC supplanting their towns as the dominant city on the eastern seaboard all those years ago. Kong76 May 03 2009 06:09 PM This was really funny ... seawolf17 May 03 2009 06:10 PM I've always loved Greg Luzinski -- my coach in baseball camp one year called me "Bull" because my power, speed, and remarkable ability to strike out reminded him of Luzinski.

[Fman99]

I detest the Phillies and their fans. It took going to a Mets-Phils tilt at Shea in '07 just to see how obnoxious they were.

[stevejrogers]

="Benjamin Grimm"]Yes, it's been a one-sided rivalry for a long time. I was surprised, when I moved to the Philly suburbs back in 1988, to find so much hatred for the Mets. Philadelphia also has a one-sided rivalry with the Eagles/Cowboys. And in both cases, they have no idea. People here are surprisingly provincial.

I'm pretty sure the Dallas side got reved up during the halcyon days of the 1990s, probably still to this day. Dating back to Buddy Ryan supposedly putting bounties on several players, including Troy Aikman, all the way through Michael Irvin's career coming to an end on the Vet turf, and Philly fans cheering the injury.

[Benjamin Grimm]

I've been to the Dallas area several times, and it appears that their rival there is the Redskins. I see all kinds of anti-Dallas Cowboys bumper stickers and stuff in the Philly area, but nothing at all about the Eagles in Texas.

[Benjamin Grimm]

="Fman99":e7xldmhk]I detest the Phillies and their fans. It took going to a Mets-Phils tilt at Shea in '07 just to see how obnoxious they were.[/quote:e7xldmhk] I was at a Mets-Phillies game in 2007 too. I'm not going to go back. It was such an ugly atmosphere I don't want to go there with my kids. (Carlos Gomez, I remember, injured himself and the fans were whooping and hollering with joy.)

MFS62 May 03 2009 10:20 AM

="Benjamin Grimm":3mzmcfb5]I've been to the Dallas area several times, and it appears that their rival there is the Redskins. I see all kinds of anti-Dallas Cowboys bumper stickers and stuff in the Philly area, but nothing at all about the Eagles in Texas.[/quote:3mzmcfb5] Agree. I was on a business trip to Dallas a number of years back with an associate who was an avid Redskins fan. We went to a bar to watch a Redskins/ Cowboys Monday night game. The 'Skins were beating up on the 'Pokes that night, real bad - IIRC around 40-something to nil. As the game progressed, he was cheering louder and louder, the patrons were getting madder and madder and I was moving farther and farther away from him. I think the fact that he was a 6'3" 240 lb ex-Notre Dame football player was what may have saved his reckless hide. BTW - it appears that you only need two things to open a bar in Dallas - a liquor license and a full sized poster of the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders. Back to the main point, the Eagles were never mentioned other than on game day during my many trips to Dallas. We now return you to the Philly talk. Later LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 03 2009 01:24 PM ="Benjamin Grimm":rc5gkky6] ="Fman99":rc5gkky6]I detest the Phillies and their fans. It took going to a Mets-Phils tilt at Shea in '07 just to see how obnoxious they were.[/quote:rc5gkky6] I was at a Mets-Phillies game in 2007 too. I'm not going to go back. It was such an ugly atmosphere I don't want to go there with my kids. (Carlos Gomez, I remember, injured himself and the fans were whooping and hollering with joy.)[/quote:rc5gkky6] There's a difference between actual Phils fans-- a loyal, pretty well-informed group-- and college kids/dropouts who need somewhere to drink between Flyer season and Eagle season (steadily increasing in number since 2004 or so, roughly coincident with the rise of Utley and Hamels and Howard). I went to yesterday's game via public transport sporting the usual complement of regalia (away Santana jersey, trad blue-and-orange hat), and ended up having a nice little chat with two Phils-cap-wearing strangers comparing the relative bench strengths of the '69 Mets and the '08 Phils. Thanks to a train delay, I got inside the game in the bottom of the first. I asked a group of twentysomethings in red if they knew how the Phils' runs scored, and got called a "New Jork (think bad imitation of a Hispanic accent) queer" by a leering dude in a "World Phucking Champions" tee for my trouble. There are some in every fanbase... the ugly ones are just as bad when they're wearing blue and orange camo. Fman99 May 03 2009 02:22 PM ="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":25pp1ahd] ="Benjamin Grimm":25pp1ahd] ="Fman99":25pp1ahd]I detest the Phillies and their fans. It took going to a Mets-Phils tilt at Shea in '07 just to see how obnoxious they were.[/quote:25pp1ahd] I was at a Mets-Phillies game in 2007 too. I'm not going to go back. It was such an ugly atmosphere I don't want to go there with my kids. (Carlos Gomez, I remember, injured himself and the fans were whooping and hollering with joy.)[/quote:25pp1ahd] There's a difference between actual Phils fans-- a loyal, pretty well-informed group-- and college kids/dropouts who need somewhere to drink between Flyer season and Eagle season (steadily increasing in number since 2004 or so, roughly coincident with the rise of Utley and Hamels and Howard). I went to yesterday's game via public transport sporting the usual complement of regalia (away Santana jersey, trad blue-and-orange hat), and ended up having a nice little chat with two Phils-cap-wearing strangers comparing the relative bench strengths of the '69 Mets and the '08 Phils. Thanks to a train delay, I got inside the game in the bottom of the first. I asked a group of twentysomethings in red if they knew how the Phils' runs scored, and got called a "New Jork (think bad imitation of a Hispanic accent) queer" by a leering dude in a "World Phucking Champions" tee for my trouble. There are some in every fanbase... the ugly ones are just as bad when they're wearing blue and orange camo.[/quote:25pp1ahd] I will admit, there were more thugs in Met gear that day in '07 than I've ever been around in any other Mets game. In addition to the brutes in red. People are animals. metsguyinmichigan May 03 2009 03:18 PM ="Fman99":1ib6d02i]People are animals.[/quote:1ib6d02i] But, if you pretend to be one of them by wearing the home cap when they're playing the Diamondbacks, they let you pose with their heroes and buy pulled pork. Or so I've heard. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 03 2009 04:08 PM ="metsguyinmichigan":ers845mm] ="Fman99":ers845mm]People are animals.[/quote:ers845mm] But, if you pretend to be one of them by wearing the home cap when they're playing the Diamondbacks, they let you pose with their heroes and buy pulled pork. Or so I've heard. [/quote:ers845mm] I actually sought out Luzinski twice-- once pre-game, once in-game-- to see if he'd take a picture with a guy in a Johan jersey. Swing-and-miss both times. Perhaps he had a derby party at the Murray house to attend. metsguyinmichigan May 03 2009 05:45 PM ="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr"] ="metsguyinmichigan"] ="Fman99"]People are animals. But, if you pretend to be one of them by wearing the home cap when they're playing the Diamondbacks, they let you pose with their heroes and buy pulled pork. Or so I've heard. I actually sought out Luzinski twice-- once pre-game, once in-game-- to see if he'd take a picture with a guy in a Johan jersey. Swing-and-miss both times. Perhaps he had a derby party at the Murray house to attend. Totally. And here's proof: I tried taking a photo of the race off the telvision, and I'm like, "Bull! Down in front!" And the thing is, he wasn't even a good houseguest. I'm like, "Greg, not for nothing, but I took a lot of heat from by friends this week for hanging with you. And all you bring to the party is a bag of chips that you got at the gas station on the way here? Not cool, Bull. We were hoping for some pulled pork." And he was like, "Whatever. Where are the julips?" And he made fun of my daughter's hat. My wife said I can't invite him next year. Frayed Knot May 03 2009 06:06 PM ="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":19k9poyd] ="Benjamin Grimm":19k9poyd] ="Fman99":19k9poyd]I detest the Phillies and their fans. It took going to a Mets-Phils tilt at Shea in '07 just to see how obnoxious they were.[/quote:19k9poyd] I was at a Mets-Phillies game in 2007 too. I'm not going to go back. It was such an ugly atmosphere I don't want to go there with my kids. (Carlos Gomez, I remember, injured himself and the fans were whooping and hollering with joy.)[/quote:19k9poyd] There's a difference between actual Phils fans-- a loyal, pretty well-informed group-- and college kids/dropouts who need somewhere to drink between Flyer season and Eagle season (steadily increasing in number since 2004 or so, roughly coincident with the rise of Utley and Hamels and Howard). I went to yesterday's game via public transport sporting the usual complement of regalia (away Santana jersey, trad blue-and-orange hat), and ended up having a nice little chat with two Phils-cap-wearing strangers comparing the relative bench strengths of the '69 Mets and the '08 Phils. Thanks to a train delay, I got inside the game in the bottom of the first. I asked a group of twentysomethings in red if they knew how the Phils' runs scored, and got called a "New Jork (think bad imitation of a Hispanic accent) queer" by a leering dude in a "World Phucking Champions" tee for my trouble. There are some in every fanbase... the ugly ones are just as bad when they're wearing blue and orange camo.[/quote:19k9poyd] I think the sports media in Philly tends to drive a lot of that kind of stuff. Even the worst of WFAN sounds like 'Masterpiece Theatre' compared to most of WIP. Encouraging callers whose sole point is to say 'Cowboys Suck' seems to be considered standard programming on some shows. I've always thought of Philly as more a football & hockey town as compared to baseball & hoops so maybe the macho attitude of those two sports help give the city its rep. The anti-Met thing I think it more just an extension of an overall anti-NYC bias that exists in a lot of places - just even moreso when your city is only 100 miles down the road. Perhaps the attitudes in Philly - like Boston in many ways - were formed way back by people who never got over NYC supplanting their towns as the dominant city on the eastern seaboard all those years ago. Kong76 May 03 2009 06:09 PM This was really funny ... seawolf17 May 03 2009 06:10 PM I've always loved Greg Luzinski -- my coach in baseball camp one year called me "Bull" because my power, speed, and remarkable ability to strike out reminded him of Luzinski.

[MFS62]

="Benjamin Grimm":3mzmcfb5]I've been to the Dallas area several times, and it appears that their rival there is the Redskins. I see all kinds of anti-Dallas Cowboys bumper stickers and stuff in the Philly area, but nothing at all about the Eagles in Texas.[/quote:3mzmcfb5] Agree. I was on a business trip to Dallas a number of years back with an associate who was an avid Redskins fan. We went to a bar to watch a Redskins/ Cowboys Monday night game. The 'Skins were beating up on the 'Pokes that night, real bad - IIRC around 40-something to nil. As the game progressed, he was cheering louder and louder, the patrons were getting madder and madder and I was moving farther and farther away from him. I think the fact that he was a 6'3" 240 lb ex-Notre Dame football player was what may have saved his reckless hide. BTW - it appears that you only need two things to open a bar in Dallas - a liquor license and a full sized poster of the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders. Back to the main point, the Eagles were never mentioned other than on game day during my many trips to Dallas. We now return you to the Philly talk. Later

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 03 2009 01:24 PM

="Benjamin Grimm":rc5gkky6] ="Fman99":rc5gkky6]I detest the Phillies and their fans. It took going to a Mets-Phils tilt at Shea in '07 just to see how obnoxious they were.[/quote:rc5gkky6] I was at a Mets-Phillies game in 2007 too. I'm not going to go back. It was such an ugly atmosphere I don't want to go there with my kids. (Carlos Gomez, I remember, injured himself and the fans were whooping and hollering with joy.)[/quote:rc5gkky6] There's a difference between actual Phils fans-- a loyal, pretty well-informed group-- and college kids/dropouts who need somewhere to drink between Flyer season and Eagle season (steadily increasing in number since 2004 or so, roughly coincident with the rise of Utley and Hamels and Howard). I went to yesterday's game via public transport sporting the usual complement of regalia (away Santana jersey, trad blue-and-orange hat), and ended up having a nice little chat with two Phils-cap-wearing strangers comparing the relative bench strengths of the '69 Mets and the '08 Phils. Thanks to a train delay, I got inside the game in the bottom of the first. I asked a group of twentysomethings in red if they knew how the Phils' runs scored, and got called a "New Jork (think bad imitation of a Hispanic accent) queer" by a leering dude in a "World Phucking Champions" tee for my trouble. There are some in every fanbase... the ugly ones are just as bad when they're wearing blue and orange camo. Fman99 May 03 2009 02:22 PM ="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":25pp1ahd] ="Benjamin Grimm":25pp1ahd] ="Fman99":25pp1ahd]I detest the Phillies and their fans. It took going to a Mets-Phils tilt at Shea in '07 just to see how obnoxious they were.[/quote:25pp1ahd] I was at a Mets-Phillies game in 2007 too. I'm not going to go back. It was such an ugly atmosphere I don't want to go there with my kids. (Carlos Gomez, I remember, injured himself and the fans were whooping and hollering with joy.)[/quote:25pp1ahd] There's a difference between actual Phils fans-- a loyal, pretty well-informed group-- and college kids/dropouts who need somewhere to drink between Flyer season and Eagle season (steadily increasing in number since 2004 or so, roughly coincident with the rise of Utley and Hamels and Howard). I went to yesterday's game via public transport sporting the usual complement of regalia (away Santana jersey, trad blue-and-orange hat), and ended up having a nice little chat with two Phils-cap-wearing strangers comparing the relative bench strengths of the '69 Mets and the '08 Phils. Thanks to a train delay, I got inside the game in the bottom of the first. I asked a group of twentysomethings in red if they knew how the Phils' runs scored, and got called a "New Jork (think bad imitation of a Hispanic accent) queer" by a leering dude in a "World Phucking Champions" tee for my trouble. There are some in every fanbase... the ugly ones are just as bad when they're wearing blue and orange camo.[/quote:25pp1ahd] I will admit, there were more thugs in Met gear that day in '07 than I've ever been around in any other Mets game. In addition to the brutes in red. People are animals. metsguyinmichigan May 03 2009 03:18 PM ="Fman99":1ib6d02i]People are animals.[/quote:1ib6d02i] But, if you pretend to be one of them by wearing the home cap when they're playing the Diamondbacks, they let you pose with their heroes and buy pulled pork. Or so I've heard. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 03 2009 04:08 PM ="metsguyinmichigan":ers845mm] ="Fman99":ers845mm]People are animals.[/quote:ers845mm] But, if you pretend to be one of them by wearing the home cap when they're playing the Diamondbacks, they let you pose with their heroes and buy pulled pork. Or so I've heard. [/quote:ers845mm] I actually sought out Luzinski twice-- once pre-game, once in-game-- to see if he'd take a picture with a guy in a Johan jersey. Swing-and-miss both times. Perhaps he had a derby party at the Murray house to attend. metsguyinmichigan May 03 2009 05:45 PM ="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr"] ="metsguyinmichigan"] ="Fman99"]People are animals. But, if you pretend to be one of them by wearing the home cap when they're playing the Diamondbacks, they let you pose with their heroes and buy pulled pork. Or so I've heard. I actually sought out Luzinski twice-- once pre-game, once in-game-- to see if he'd take a picture with a guy in a Johan jersey. Swing-and-miss both times. Perhaps he had a derby party at the Murray house to attend. Totally. And here's proof: I tried taking a photo of the race off the telvision, and I'm like, "Bull! Down in front!" And the thing is, he wasn't even a good houseguest. I'm like, "Greg, not for nothing, but I took a lot of heat from by friends this week for hanging with you. And all you bring to the party is a bag of chips that you got at the gas station on the way here? Not cool, Bull. We were hoping for some pulled pork." And he was like, "Whatever. Where are the julips?" And he made fun of my daughter's hat. My wife said I can't invite him next year. Frayed Knot May 03 2009 06:06 PM ="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":19k9poyd] ="Benjamin Grimm":19k9poyd] ="Fman99":19k9poyd]I detest the Phillies and their fans. It took going to a Mets-Phils tilt at Shea in '07 just to see how obnoxious they were.[/quote:19k9poyd] I was at a Mets-Phillies game in 2007 too. I'm not going to go back. It was such an ugly atmosphere I don't want to go there with my kids. (Carlos Gomez, I remember, injured himself and the fans were whooping and hollering with joy.)[/quote:19k9poyd] There's a difference between actual Phils fans-- a loyal, pretty well-informed group-- and college kids/dropouts who need somewhere to drink between Flyer season and Eagle season (steadily increasing in number since 2004 or so, roughly coincident with the rise of Utley and Hamels and Howard). I went to yesterday's game via public transport sporting the usual complement of regalia (away Santana jersey, trad blue-and-orange hat), and ended up having a nice little chat with two Phils-cap-wearing strangers comparing the relative bench strengths of the '69 Mets and the '08 Phils. Thanks to a train delay, I got inside the game in the bottom of the first. I asked a group of twentysomethings in red if they knew how the Phils' runs scored, and got called a "New Jork (think bad imitation of a Hispanic accent) queer" by a leering dude in a "World Phucking Champions" tee for my trouble. There are some in every fanbase... the ugly ones are just as bad when they're wearing blue and orange camo.[/quote:19k9poyd] I think the sports media in Philly tends to drive a lot of that kind of stuff. Even the worst of WFAN sounds like 'Masterpiece Theatre' compared to most of WIP. Encouraging callers whose sole point is to say 'Cowboys Suck' seems to be considered standard programming on some shows. I've always thought of Philly as more a football & hockey town as compared to baseball & hoops so maybe the macho attitude of those two sports help give the city its rep. The anti-Met thing I think it more just an extension of an overall anti-NYC bias that exists in a lot of places - just even moreso when your city is only 100 miles down the road. Perhaps the attitudes in Philly - like Boston in many ways - were formed way back by people who never got over NYC supplanting their towns as the dominant city on the eastern seaboard all those years ago. Kong76 May 03 2009 06:09 PM This was really funny ... seawolf17 May 03 2009 06:10 PM I've always loved Greg Luzinski -- my coach in baseball camp one year called me "Bull" because my power, speed, and remarkable ability to strike out reminded him of Luzinski.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

="Benjamin Grimm":rc5gkky6] ="Fman99":rc5gkky6]I detest the Phillies and their fans. It took going to a Mets-Phils tilt at Shea in '07 just to see how obnoxious they were.[/quote:rc5gkky6] I was at a Mets-Phillies game in 2007 too. I'm not going to go back. It was such an ugly atmosphere I don't want to go there with my kids. (Carlos Gomez, I remember, injured himself and the fans were whooping and hollering with joy.)[/quote:rc5gkky6] There's a difference between actual Phils fans-- a loyal, pretty well-informed group-- and college kids/dropouts who need somewhere to drink between Flyer season and Eagle season (steadily increasing in number since 2004 or so, roughly coincident with the rise of Utley and Hamels and Howard). I went to yesterday's game via public transport sporting the usual complement of regalia (away Santana jersey, trad blue-and-orange hat), and ended up having a nice little chat with two Phils-cap-wearing strangers comparing the relative bench strengths of the '69 Mets and the '08 Phils. Thanks to a train delay, I got inside the game in the bottom of the first. I asked a group of twentysomethings in red if they knew how the Phils' runs scored, and got called a "New Jork (think bad imitation of a Hispanic accent) queer" by a leering dude in a "World Phucking Champions" tee for my trouble. There are some in every fanbase... the ugly ones are just as bad when they're wearing blue and orange camo. Fman99 May 03 2009 02:22 PM ="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":25pp1ahd] ="Benjamin Grimm":25pp1ahd] ="Fman99":25pp1ahd]I detest the Phillies and their fans. It took going to a Mets-Phils tilt at Shea in '07 just to see how obnoxious they were.[/quote:25pp1ahd] I was at a Mets-Phillies game in 2007 too. I'm not going to go back. It was such an ugly atmosphere I don't want to go there with my kids. (Carlos Gomez, I remember, injured himself and the fans were whooping and hollering with joy.)[/quote:25pp1ahd] There's a difference between actual Phils fans-- a loyal, pretty well-informed group-- and college kids/dropouts who need somewhere to drink between Flyer season and Eagle season (steadily increasing in number since 2004 or so, roughly coincident with the rise of Utley and Hamels and Howard). I went to yesterday's game via public transport sporting the usual complement of regalia (away Santana jersey, trad blue-and-orange hat), and ended up having a nice little chat with two Phils-cap-wearing strangers comparing the relative bench strengths of the '69 Mets and the '08 Phils. Thanks to a train delay, I got inside the game in the bottom of the first. I asked a group of twentysomethings in red if they knew how the Phils' runs scored, and got called a "New Jork (think bad imitation of a Hispanic accent) queer" by a leering dude in a "World Phucking Champions" tee for my trouble. There are some in every fanbase... the ugly ones are just as bad when they're wearing blue and orange camo.[/quote:25pp1ahd] I will admit, there were more thugs in Met gear that day in '07 than I've ever been around in any other Mets game. In addition to the brutes in red. People are animals. metsguyinmichigan May 03 2009 03:18 PM ="Fman99":1ib6d02i]People are animals.[/quote:1ib6d02i] But, if you pretend to be one of them by wearing the home cap when they're playing the Diamondbacks, they let you pose with their heroes and buy pulled pork. Or so I've heard. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 03 2009 04:08 PM ="metsguyinmichigan":ers845mm] ="Fman99":ers845mm]People are animals.[/quote:ers845mm] But, if you pretend to be one of them by wearing the home cap when they're playing the Diamondbacks, they let you pose with their heroes and buy pulled pork. Or so I've heard. [/quote:ers845mm] I actually sought out Luzinski twice-- once pre-game, once in-game-- to see if he'd take a picture with a guy in a Johan jersey. Swing-and-miss both times. Perhaps he had a derby party at the Murray house to attend. metsguyinmichigan May 03 2009 05:45 PM ="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr"] ="metsguyinmichigan"] ="Fman99"]People are animals. But, if you pretend to be one of them by wearing the home cap when they're playing the Diamondbacks, they let you pose with their heroes and buy pulled pork. Or so I've heard. I actually sought out Luzinski twice-- once pre-game, once in-game-- to see if he'd take a picture with a guy in a Johan jersey. Swing-and-miss both times. Perhaps he had a derby party at the Murray house to attend. Totally. And here's proof: I tried taking a photo of the race off the telvision, and I'm like, "Bull! Down in front!" And the thing is, he wasn't even a good houseguest. I'm like, "Greg, not for nothing, but I took a lot of heat from by friends this week for hanging with you. And all you bring to the party is a bag of chips that you got at the gas station on the way here? Not cool, Bull. We were hoping for some pulled pork." And he was like, "Whatever. Where are the julips?" And he made fun of my daughter's hat. My wife said I can't invite him next year. Frayed Knot May 03 2009 06:06 PM ="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":19k9poyd] ="Benjamin Grimm":19k9poyd] ="Fman99":19k9poyd]I detest the Phillies and their fans. It took going to a Mets-Phils tilt at Shea in '07 just to see how obnoxious they were.[/quote:19k9poyd] I was at a Mets-Phillies game in 2007 too. I'm not going to go back. It was such an ugly atmosphere I don't want to go there with my kids. (Carlos Gomez, I remember, injured himself and the fans were whooping and hollering with joy.)[/quote:19k9poyd] There's a difference between actual Phils fans-- a loyal, pretty well-informed group-- and college kids/dropouts who need somewhere to drink between Flyer season and Eagle season (steadily increasing in number since 2004 or so, roughly coincident with the rise of Utley and Hamels and Howard). I went to yesterday's game via public transport sporting the usual complement of regalia (away Santana jersey, trad blue-and-orange hat), and ended up having a nice little chat with two Phils-cap-wearing strangers comparing the relative bench strengths of the '69 Mets and the '08 Phils. Thanks to a train delay, I got inside the game in the bottom of the first. I asked a group of twentysomethings in red if they knew how the Phils' runs scored, and got called a "New Jork (think bad imitation of a Hispanic accent) queer" by a leering dude in a "World Phucking Champions" tee for my trouble. There are some in every fanbase... the ugly ones are just as bad when they're wearing blue and orange camo.[/quote:19k9poyd] I think the sports media in Philly tends to drive a lot of that kind of stuff. Even the worst of WFAN sounds like 'Masterpiece Theatre' compared to most of WIP. Encouraging callers whose sole point is to say 'Cowboys Suck' seems to be considered standard programming on some shows. I've always thought of Philly as more a football & hockey town as compared to baseball & hoops so maybe the macho attitude of those two sports help give the city its rep. The anti-Met thing I think it more just an extension of an overall anti-NYC bias that exists in a lot of places - just even moreso when your city is only 100 miles down the road. Perhaps the attitudes in Philly - like Boston in many ways - were formed way back by people who never got over NYC supplanting their towns as the dominant city on the eastern seaboard all those years ago. Kong76 May 03 2009 06:09 PM This was really funny ... seawolf17 May 03 2009 06:10 PM I've always loved Greg Luzinski -- my coach in baseball camp one year called me "Bull" because my power, speed, and remarkable ability to strike out reminded him of Luzinski.

[Fman99]

="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":25pp1ahd] ="Benjamin Grimm":25pp1ahd] ="Fman99":25pp1ahd]I detest the Phillies and their fans. It took going to a Mets-Phils tilt at Shea in '07 just to see how obnoxious they were.[/quote:25pp1ahd] I was at a Mets-Phillies game in 2007 too. I'm not going to go back. It was such an ugly atmosphere I don't want to go there with my kids. (Carlos Gomez, I remember, injured himself and the fans were whooping and hollering with joy.)[/quote:25pp1ahd] There's a difference between actual Phils fans-- a loyal, pretty well-informed group-- and college kids/dropouts who need somewhere to drink between Flyer season and Eagle season (steadily increasing in number since 2004 or so, roughly coincident with the rise of Utley and Hamels and Howard). I went to yesterday's game via public transport sporting the usual complement of regalia (away Santana jersey, trad blue-and-orange hat), and ended up having a nice little chat with two Phils-cap-wearing strangers comparing the relative bench strengths of the '69 Mets and the '08 Phils. Thanks to a train delay, I got inside the game in the bottom of the first. I asked a group of twentysomethings in red if they knew how the Phils' runs scored, and got called a "New Jork (think bad imitation of a Hispanic accent) queer" by a leering dude in a "World Phucking Champions" tee for my trouble. There are some in every fanbase... the ugly ones are just as bad when they're wearing blue and orange camo.[/quote:25pp1ahd] I will admit, there were more thugs in Met gear that day in '07 than I've ever been around in any other Mets game. In addition to the brutes in red. People are animals. metsguyinmichigan May 03 2009 03:18 PM ="Fman99":1ib6d02i]People are animals.[/quote:1ib6d02i] But, if you pretend to be one of them by wearing the home cap when they're playing the Diamondbacks, they let you pose with their heroes and buy pulled pork. Or so I've heard. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 03 2009 04:08 PM ="metsguyinmichigan":ers845mm] ="Fman99":ers845mm]People are animals.[/quote:ers845mm] But, if you pretend to be one of them by wearing the home cap when they're playing the Diamondbacks, they let you pose with their heroes and buy pulled pork. Or so I've heard. [/quote:ers845mm] I actually sought out Luzinski twice-- once pre-game, once in-game-- to see if he'd take a picture with a guy in a Johan jersey. Swing-and-miss both times. Perhaps he had a derby party at the Murray house to attend. metsguyinmichigan May 03 2009 05:45 PM ="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr"] ="metsguyinmichigan"] ="Fman99"]People are animals. But, if you pretend to be one of them by wearing the home cap when they're playing the Diamondbacks, they let you pose with their heroes and buy pulled pork. Or so I've heard. I actually sought out Luzinski twice-- once pre-game, once in-game-- to see if he'd take a picture with a guy in a Johan jersey. Swing-and-miss both times. Perhaps he had a derby party at the Murray house to attend. Totally. And here's proof: I tried taking a photo of the race off the telvision, and I'm like, "Bull! Down in front!" And the thing is, he wasn't even a good houseguest. I'm like, "Greg, not for nothing, but I took a lot of heat from by friends this week for hanging with you. And all you bring to the party is a bag of chips that you got at the gas station on the way here? Not cool, Bull. We were hoping for some pulled pork." And he was like, "Whatever. Where are the julips?" And he made fun of my daughter's hat. My wife said I can't invite him next year. Frayed Knot May 03 2009 06:06 PM ="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":19k9poyd] ="Benjamin Grimm":19k9poyd] ="Fman99":19k9poyd]I detest the Phillies and their fans. It took going to a Mets-Phils tilt at Shea in '07 just to see how obnoxious they were.[/quote:19k9poyd] I was at a Mets-Phillies game in 2007 too. I'm not going to go back. It was such an ugly atmosphere I don't want to go there with my kids. (Carlos Gomez, I remember, injured himself and the fans were whooping and hollering with joy.)[/quote:19k9poyd] There's a difference between actual Phils fans-- a loyal, pretty well-informed group-- and college kids/dropouts who need somewhere to drink between Flyer season and Eagle season (steadily increasing in number since 2004 or so, roughly coincident with the rise of Utley and Hamels and Howard). I went to yesterday's game via public transport sporting the usual complement of regalia (away Santana jersey, trad blue-and-orange hat), and ended up having a nice little chat with two Phils-cap-wearing strangers comparing the relative bench strengths of the '69 Mets and the '08 Phils. Thanks to a train delay, I got inside the game in the bottom of the first. I asked a group of twentysomethings in red if they knew how the Phils' runs scored, and got called a "New Jork (think bad imitation of a Hispanic accent) queer" by a leering dude in a "World Phucking Champions" tee for my trouble. There are some in every fanbase... the ugly ones are just as bad when they're wearing blue and orange camo.[/quote:19k9poyd] I think the sports media in Philly tends to drive a lot of that kind of stuff. Even the worst of WFAN sounds like 'Masterpiece Theatre' compared to most of WIP. Encouraging callers whose sole point is to say 'Cowboys Suck' seems to be considered standard programming on some shows. I've always thought of Philly as more a football & hockey town as compared to baseball & hoops so maybe the macho attitude of those two sports help give the city its rep. The anti-Met thing I think it more just an extension of an overall anti-NYC bias that exists in a lot of places - just even moreso when your city is only 100 miles down the road. Perhaps the attitudes in Philly - like Boston in many ways - were formed way back by people who never got over NYC supplanting their towns as the dominant city on the eastern seaboard all those years ago. Kong76 May 03 2009 06:09 PM This was really funny ... seawolf17 May 03 2009 06:10 PM I've always loved Greg Luzinski -- my coach in baseball camp one year called me "Bull" because my power, speed, and remarkable ability to strike out reminded him of Luzinski.

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

="Fman99":1ib6d02i]People are animals.[/quote:1ib6d02i] But, if you pretend to be one of them by wearing the home cap when they're playing the Diamondbacks, they let you pose with their heroes and buy pulled pork. Or so I've heard.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 03 2009 04:08 PM

="metsguyinmichigan":ers845mm] ="Fman99":ers845mm]People are animals.[/quote:ers845mm] But, if you pretend to be one of them by wearing the home cap when they're playing the Diamondbacks, they let you pose with their heroes and buy pulled pork. Or so I've heard. [/quote:ers845mm] I actually sought out Luzinski twice-- once pre-game, once in-game-- to see if he'd take a picture with a guy in a Johan jersey. Swing-and-miss both times. Perhaps he had a derby party at the Murray house to attend. metsguyinmichigan May 03 2009 05:45 PM ="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr"] ="metsguyinmichigan"] ="Fman99"]People are animals. But, if you pretend to be one of them by wearing the home cap when they're playing the Diamondbacks, they let you pose with their heroes and buy pulled pork. Or so I've heard. I actually sought out Luzinski twice-- once pre-game, once in-game-- to see if he'd take a picture with a guy in a Johan jersey. Swing-and-miss both times. Perhaps he had a derby party at the Murray house to attend. Totally. And here's proof: I tried taking a photo of the race off the telvision, and I'm like, "Bull! Down in front!" And the thing is, he wasn't even a good houseguest. I'm like, "Greg, not for nothing, but I took a lot of heat from by friends this week for hanging with you. And all you bring to the party is a bag of chips that you got at the gas station on the way here? Not cool, Bull. We were hoping for some pulled pork." And he was like, "Whatever. Where are the julips?" And he made fun of my daughter's hat. My wife said I can't invite him next year. Frayed Knot May 03 2009 06:06 PM ="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":19k9poyd] ="Benjamin Grimm":19k9poyd] ="Fman99":19k9poyd]I detest the Phillies and their fans. It took going to a Mets-Phils tilt at Shea in '07 just to see how obnoxious they were.[/quote:19k9poyd] I was at a Mets-Phillies game in 2007 too. I'm not going to go back. It was such an ugly atmosphere I don't want to go there with my kids. (Carlos Gomez, I remember, injured himself and the fans were whooping and hollering with joy.)[/quote:19k9poyd] There's a difference between actual Phils fans-- a loyal, pretty well-informed group-- and college kids/dropouts who need somewhere to drink between Flyer season and Eagle season (steadily increasing in number since 2004 or so, roughly coincident with the rise of Utley and Hamels and Howard). I went to yesterday's game via public transport sporting the usual complement of regalia (away Santana jersey, trad blue-and-orange hat), and ended up having a nice little chat with two Phils-cap-wearing strangers comparing the relative bench strengths of the '69 Mets and the '08 Phils. Thanks to a train delay, I got inside the game in the bottom of the first. I asked a group of twentysomethings in red if they knew how the Phils' runs scored, and got called a "New Jork (think bad imitation of a Hispanic accent) queer" by a leering dude in a "World Phucking Champions" tee for my trouble. There are some in every fanbase... the ugly ones are just as bad when they're wearing blue and orange camo.[/quote:19k9poyd] I think the sports media in Philly tends to drive a lot of that kind of stuff. Even the worst of WFAN sounds like 'Masterpiece Theatre' compared to most of WIP. Encouraging callers whose sole point is to say 'Cowboys Suck' seems to be considered standard programming on some shows. I've always thought of Philly as more a football & hockey town as compared to baseball & hoops so maybe the macho attitude of those two sports help give the city its rep. The anti-Met thing I think it more just an extension of an overall anti-NYC bias that exists in a lot of places - just even moreso when your city is only 100 miles down the road. Perhaps the attitudes in Philly - like Boston in many ways - were formed way back by people who never got over NYC supplanting their towns as the dominant city on the eastern seaboard all those years ago. Kong76 May 03 2009 06:09 PM This was really funny ... seawolf17 May 03 2009 06:10 PM I've always loved Greg Luzinski -- my coach in baseball camp one year called me "Bull" because my power, speed, and remarkable ability to strike out reminded him of Luzinski.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

="metsguyinmichigan":ers845mm] ="Fman99":ers845mm]People are animals.[/quote:ers845mm] But, if you pretend to be one of them by wearing the home cap when they're playing the Diamondbacks, they let you pose with their heroes and buy pulled pork. Or so I've heard. [/quote:ers845mm] I actually sought out Luzinski twice-- once pre-game, once in-game-- to see if he'd take a picture with a guy in a Johan jersey. Swing-and-miss both times. Perhaps he had a derby party at the Murray house to attend. metsguyinmichigan May 03 2009 05:45 PM ="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr"] ="metsguyinmichigan"] ="Fman99"]People are animals. But, if you pretend to be one of them by wearing the home cap when they're playing the Diamondbacks, they let you pose with their heroes and buy pulled pork. Or so I've heard. I actually sought out Luzinski twice-- once pre-game, once in-game-- to see if he'd take a picture with a guy in a Johan jersey. Swing-and-miss both times. Perhaps he had a derby party at the Murray house to attend. Totally. And here's proof: I tried taking a photo of the race off the telvision, and I'm like, "Bull! Down in front!" And the thing is, he wasn't even a good houseguest. I'm like, "Greg, not for nothing, but I took a lot of heat from by friends this week for hanging with you. And all you bring to the party is a bag of chips that you got at the gas station on the way here? Not cool, Bull. We were hoping for some pulled pork." And he was like, "Whatever. Where are the julips?" And he made fun of my daughter's hat. My wife said I can't invite him next year. Frayed Knot May 03 2009 06:06 PM ="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":19k9poyd] ="Benjamin Grimm":19k9poyd] ="Fman99":19k9poyd]I detest the Phillies and their fans. It took going to a Mets-Phils tilt at Shea in '07 just to see how obnoxious they were.[/quote:19k9poyd] I was at a Mets-Phillies game in 2007 too. I'm not going to go back. It was such an ugly atmosphere I don't want to go there with my kids. (Carlos Gomez, I remember, injured himself and the fans were whooping and hollering with joy.)[/quote:19k9poyd] There's a difference between actual Phils fans-- a loyal, pretty well-informed group-- and college kids/dropouts who need somewhere to drink between Flyer season and Eagle season (steadily increasing in number since 2004 or so, roughly coincident with the rise of Utley and Hamels and Howard). I went to yesterday's game via public transport sporting the usual complement of regalia (away Santana jersey, trad blue-and-orange hat), and ended up having a nice little chat with two Phils-cap-wearing strangers comparing the relative bench strengths of the '69 Mets and the '08 Phils. Thanks to a train delay, I got inside the game in the bottom of the first. I asked a group of twentysomethings in red if they knew how the Phils' runs scored, and got called a "New Jork (think bad imitation of a Hispanic accent) queer" by a leering dude in a "World Phucking Champions" tee for my trouble. There are some in every fanbase... the ugly ones are just as bad when they're wearing blue and orange camo.[/quote:19k9poyd] I think the sports media in Philly tends to drive a lot of that kind of stuff. Even the worst of WFAN sounds like 'Masterpiece Theatre' compared to most of WIP. Encouraging callers whose sole point is to say 'Cowboys Suck' seems to be considered standard programming on some shows. I've always thought of Philly as more a football & hockey town as compared to baseball & hoops so maybe the macho attitude of those two sports help give the city its rep. The anti-Met thing I think it more just an extension of an overall anti-NYC bias that exists in a lot of places - just even moreso when your city is only 100 miles down the road. Perhaps the attitudes in Philly - like Boston in many ways - were formed way back by people who never got over NYC supplanting their towns as the dominant city on the eastern seaboard all those years ago. Kong76 May 03 2009 06:09 PM This was really funny ... seawolf17 May 03 2009 06:10 PM I've always loved Greg Luzinski -- my coach in baseball camp one year called me "Bull" because my power, speed, and remarkable ability to strike out reminded him of Luzinski.

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr"] ="metsguyinmichigan"] ="Fman99"]People are animals. But, if you pretend to be one of them by wearing the home cap when they're playing the Diamondbacks, they let you pose with their heroes and buy pulled pork. Or so I've heard. I actually sought out Luzinski twice-- once pre-game, once in-game-- to see if he'd take a picture with a guy in a Johan jersey. Swing-and-miss both times. Perhaps he had a derby party at the Murray house to attend.

Totally. And here's proof:


I tried taking a photo of the race off the telvision, and I'm like, "Bull! Down in front!"

And the thing is, he wasn't even a good houseguest.

I'm like, "Greg, not for nothing, but I took a lot of heat from by friends this week for hanging with you. And all you bring to the party is a bag of chips that you got at the gas station on the way here? Not cool, Bull. We were hoping for some pulled pork."

And he was like, "Whatever. Where are the julips?" And he made fun of my daughter's hat.

My wife said I can't invite him next year.

[Frayed Knot]

="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":19k9poyd] ="Benjamin Grimm":19k9poyd] ="Fman99":19k9poyd]I detest the Phillies and their fans. It took going to a Mets-Phils tilt at Shea in '07 just to see how obnoxious they were.[/quote:19k9poyd] I was at a Mets-Phillies game in 2007 too. I'm not going to go back. It was such an ugly atmosphere I don't want to go there with my kids. (Carlos Gomez, I remember, injured himself and the fans were whooping and hollering with joy.)[/quote:19k9poyd] There's a difference between actual Phils fans-- a loyal, pretty well-informed group-- and college kids/dropouts who need somewhere to drink between Flyer season and Eagle season (steadily increasing in number since 2004 or so, roughly coincident with the rise of Utley and Hamels and Howard). I went to yesterday's game via public transport sporting the usual complement of regalia (away Santana jersey, trad blue-and-orange hat), and ended up having a nice little chat with two Phils-cap-wearing strangers comparing the relative bench strengths of the '69 Mets and the '08 Phils. Thanks to a train delay, I got inside the game in the bottom of the first. I asked a group of twentysomethings in red if they knew how the Phils' runs scored, and got called a "New Jork (think bad imitation of a Hispanic accent) queer" by a leering dude in a "World Phucking Champions" tee for my trouble. There are some in every fanbase... the ugly ones are just as bad when they're wearing blue and orange camo.[/quote:19k9poyd] I think the sports media in Philly tends to drive a lot of that kind of stuff. Even the worst of WFAN sounds like 'Masterpiece Theatre' compared to most of WIP. Encouraging callers whose sole point is to say 'Cowboys Suck' seems to be considered standard programming on some shows. I've always thought of Philly as more a football & hockey town as compared to baseball & hoops so maybe the macho attitude of those two sports help give the city its rep. The anti-Met thing I think it more just an extension of an overall anti-NYC bias that exists in a lot of places - just even moreso when your city is only 100 miles down the road. Perhaps the attitudes in Philly - like Boston in many ways - were formed way back by people who never got over NYC supplanting their towns as the dominant city on the eastern seaboard all those years ago. Kong76 May 03 2009 06:09 PM This was really funny ... seawolf17 May 03 2009 06:10 PM I've always loved Greg Luzinski -- my coach in baseball camp one year called me "Bull" because my power, speed, and remarkable ability to strike out reminded him of Luzinski.

[Guest Kong76]

This was really funny ...

[seawolf17]

I've always loved Greg Luzinski -- my coach in baseball camp one year called me "Bull" because my power, speed, and remarkable ability to strike out reminded him of Luzinski.