Radomski

[Guest Edgy DC]

Within hours of his book dropping, speed readers found a bunch of clear factual errors. Gooden, who one might expect to lay low, has said that he may have a lot of flaws but he does not borrow another man's piss.

My early review is that the cover is pretty crappy. My main interest is to find out who are the higher Mets personnel who kept this guy on the payroll and figuring if any of them still in the fold themselves.

[seawolf17]

The guy's a meathead. I can't imagine there being anything with any validity in his book.

[Fman99]

This guy gave away more piss than a dominatrix.

[Benjamin Grimm]

If he's not telling the truth, doesn't that mean he's taking the piss?

[metirish]

="Benjamin Grimm"]If he's not telling the truth, doesn't that mean he's taking the piss?

Love it.....seriously you couldn't pay me to read this rubbish.

[stevejrogers]

="Edgy DC"]Within hours of his book dropping, speed readers found a bunch of clear factual errors. Gooden, who one might expect to lay low, has said that he may have a lot of flaws but he does not borrow another man's piss.

So, you are going to take the word of a known cocaine addicted felon, whom may or may not have lied about a well known cat beheading to puff up his own memoirs, over a felon who is coming clean about his own sorid life as a steroid dealer?

[Guest Edgy DC]

I'm not sure I have to take anybody's word, Steve-o. Gooden's career ended with the millenium.

[Frayed Knot]

David Segui, who was named by Radomski in the book and on an ESPN program a few days ago, has not only denied not buying stuff from Radomski but denies ever meeting him ... so somebody's obviously lying.

I'll read the Torre book before this one.

[Guest Kong76]

I don't know how many members read this board, but Radomski and Fisher are
on the program at the NYC SABR chapter meeting next month.

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

="Frayed Knot":22dyleks]David Segui, who was named by Radomski in the book and on an ESPN program a few days ago, has not only denied not buying stuff from Radomski but denies ever meeting him ... so somebody's obviously lying. I'll read the Torre book before this one.[/quote:22dyleks] I bet Torre's book is 475 pages because it has a lot of photos for Yankee fans so they know what it's about. Like "Pat the Bunny"

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 28 2009 11:10 AM

="Kong76":f3dlbe57]I don't know how many members read this board, but Radomski and Fisher are on the program at the NYC SABR chapter meeting next month.[/quote:f3dlbe57] First one I'll miss in years. Oh well Kong76 Jan 28 2009 11:15 AM I'm not going to be able to swing it either, my attendance rate is terrible. I was hoping you or someone could add a review here. SteveJRogers Jan 28 2009 12:50 PM ="Frayed Knot":2kobodu9]David Segui, who was named by Radomski in the book and on an ESPN program a few days ago, has not only denied not buying stuff from Radomski but denies ever meeting him ... so somebody's obviously lying. I'll read the Torre book before this one.[/quote:2kobodu9] I'll side with the guy with nothing to lose at this point over any former athlete. In other words, I'll believe what Radomski is selling over anything any one mentioned in his book has to say at this point. SteveJRogers Jan 28 2009 12:56 PM Perfect example, Jose Canseco was dead on accurate in his first book, especially when it came to Rafael Palmerio who was one of the book's ardent critics when he was named in it. Edgy DC Jan 28 2009 01:03 PM "Here's something you probably don't know about Roger Clemens: He's one of the very few baseball players I know who never cheated on his wife." --- Jose Canseco, Juiced: Wild Times, Rampant 'Roids, Smash Hits, and How Baseball Got Big SteveJRogers Jan 28 2009 01:53 PM Point? The book wasn't an expose on who cheats on their spouses. The two weren't close at all, and I would hazard a guess that not even Clemens' close friends in the game knew about McCready or whomever else Roger did on the side. Edgy DC Jan 28 2009 02:00 PM Point is that dead-on accurate is dead-on accurate. What's your point in trying to put me on the spot about Gooden's pee? Benjamin Grimm Jan 28 2009 02:03 PM Yeah, really. In quoting Gooden, Edgy never implied that he believed him. Frayed Knot Jan 28 2009 02:08 PM ="SteveJRogers":1opxjwwi]Perfect example, Jose Canseco was dead on accurate in his first book ...[/quote:1opxjwwi] No he wasn't. One of his first promo gigs was with '60 Minutes' where (Wallace?) read a passage about how he shot up McGwire "numerous times". After several attempts to get him to specify how many "numerous" was he was down to "well ... once, maybe twice". Embellishing a book makes it more notable or - hopefully for the author/publisher - also more sellable. Canseco wanted to pump up his name by making himself into (and got far too much credit for IMO) the 'hero' in the steroids story even as he is now getting around to distancing himself from some of the stuff he said in that book. Benjamin Grimm Jan 28 2009 02:11 PM I remember seeing Canseco on Letterman promoting his book, and he claimed to have been the one who introduced steroids to baseball, and that he wrote the book as a way of making amends. I didn't buy the "making amends" part at all, but I did wonder about how much truth there is in his claim about being the first steroid user. I am skeptical, but someone had to be the first. Could it have been him? Frayed Knot Jan 28 2009 02:26 PM I'm sure he was among the first users to make drug-taking a full-time habit but the claim that he "introduced them" is probably more self-promotion than actual fact. Prior to that guys had experimented with all kinds of shit. Atlanta pitcher Tom House has admitted that he and several other were using some whacked out crap like horse steroids and that was back at the end of Aaron's era - some 15 prior to Canseco's rookie year. The manufacture and distribution of steroids specifically for athletic purposes was as unsophisticated back them as were the people taking them, but by the time Jose came on the scene in '87 he was at just the right time to be at least among the first to add them to their Wheaties as part of a training regimen from Day 1. Brian Downing was the first guy I remember who went away one winter and showed up the following spring looking incredibly bulked up (mid-'80s.) Whether that was roids or not is speculation ... but I'd bet on it.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

="Kong76":f3dlbe57]I don't know how many members read this board, but Radomski and Fisher are on the program at the NYC SABR chapter meeting next month.[/quote:f3dlbe57] First one I'll miss in years. Oh well

Kong76 Jan 28 2009 11:15 AM

I'm not going to be able to swing it either, my attendance rate is terrible. I was hoping you or someone could add a review here.

SteveJRogers Jan 28 2009 12:50 PM

="Frayed Knot":2kobodu9]David Segui, who was named by Radomski in the book and on an ESPN program a few days ago, has not only denied not buying stuff from Radomski but denies ever meeting him ... so somebody's obviously lying. I'll read the Torre book before this one.[/quote:2kobodu9] I'll side with the guy with nothing to lose at this point over any former athlete. In other words, I'll believe what Radomski is selling over anything any one mentioned in his book has to say at this point. SteveJRogers Jan 28 2009 12:56 PM Perfect example, Jose Canseco was dead on accurate in his first book, especially when it came to Rafael Palmerio who was one of the book's ardent critics when he was named in it. Edgy DC Jan 28 2009 01:03 PM "Here's something you probably don't know about Roger Clemens: He's one of the very few baseball players I know who never cheated on his wife." --- Jose Canseco, Juiced: Wild Times, Rampant 'Roids, Smash Hits, and How Baseball Got Big SteveJRogers Jan 28 2009 01:53 PM Point? The book wasn't an expose on who cheats on their spouses. The two weren't close at all, and I would hazard a guess that not even Clemens' close friends in the game knew about McCready or whomever else Roger did on the side. Edgy DC Jan 28 2009 02:00 PM Point is that dead-on accurate is dead-on accurate. What's your point in trying to put me on the spot about Gooden's pee? Benjamin Grimm Jan 28 2009 02:03 PM Yeah, really. In quoting Gooden, Edgy never implied that he believed him. Frayed Knot Jan 28 2009 02:08 PM ="SteveJRogers":1opxjwwi]Perfect example, Jose Canseco was dead on accurate in his first book ...[/quote:1opxjwwi] No he wasn't. One of his first promo gigs was with '60 Minutes' where (Wallace?) read a passage about how he shot up McGwire "numerous times". After several attempts to get him to specify how many "numerous" was he was down to "well ... once, maybe twice". Embellishing a book makes it more notable or - hopefully for the author/publisher - also more sellable. Canseco wanted to pump up his name by making himself into (and got far too much credit for IMO) the 'hero' in the steroids story even as he is now getting around to distancing himself from some of the stuff he said in that book. Benjamin Grimm Jan 28 2009 02:11 PM I remember seeing Canseco on Letterman promoting his book, and he claimed to have been the one who introduced steroids to baseball, and that he wrote the book as a way of making amends. I didn't buy the "making amends" part at all, but I did wonder about how much truth there is in his claim about being the first steroid user. I am skeptical, but someone had to be the first. Could it have been him? Frayed Knot Jan 28 2009 02:26 PM I'm sure he was among the first users to make drug-taking a full-time habit but the claim that he "introduced them" is probably more self-promotion than actual fact. Prior to that guys had experimented with all kinds of shit. Atlanta pitcher Tom House has admitted that he and several other were using some whacked out crap like horse steroids and that was back at the end of Aaron's era - some 15 prior to Canseco's rookie year. The manufacture and distribution of steroids specifically for athletic purposes was as unsophisticated back them as were the people taking them, but by the time Jose came on the scene in '87 he was at just the right time to be at least among the first to add them to their Wheaties as part of a training regimen from Day 1. Brian Downing was the first guy I remember who went away one winter and showed up the following spring looking incredibly bulked up (mid-'80s.) Whether that was roids or not is speculation ... but I'd bet on it.

[Guest Kong76]

I'm not going to be able to swing it either, my attendance rate is terrible.
I was hoping you or someone could add a review here.

[stevejrogers]

="Frayed Knot":2kobodu9]David Segui, who was named by Radomski in the book and on an ESPN program a few days ago, has not only denied not buying stuff from Radomski but denies ever meeting him ... so somebody's obviously lying. I'll read the Torre book before this one.[/quote:2kobodu9] I'll side with the guy with nothing to lose at this point over any former athlete. In other words, I'll believe what Radomski is selling over anything any one mentioned in his book has to say at this point.

SteveJRogers Jan 28 2009 12:56 PM

Perfect example, Jose Canseco was dead on accurate in his first book, especially when it came to Rafael Palmerio who was one of the book's ardent critics when he was named in it.

Edgy DC Jan 28 2009 01:03 PM

"Here's something you probably don't know about Roger Clemens: He's one of the very few baseball players I know who never cheated on his wife." --- Jose Canseco, Juiced: Wild Times, Rampant 'Roids, Smash Hits, and How Baseball Got Big

SteveJRogers Jan 28 2009 01:53 PM

Point? The book wasn't an expose on who cheats on their spouses. The two weren't close at all, and I would hazard a guess that not even Clemens' close friends in the game knew about McCready or whomever else Roger did on the side.

Edgy DC Jan 28 2009 02:00 PM

Point is that dead-on accurate is dead-on accurate. What's your point in trying to put me on the spot about Gooden's pee?

Benjamin Grimm Jan 28 2009 02:03 PM

Yeah, really. In quoting Gooden, Edgy never implied that he believed him.

Frayed Knot Jan 28 2009 02:08 PM

="SteveJRogers":1opxjwwi]Perfect example, Jose Canseco was dead on accurate in his first book ...[/quote:1opxjwwi] No he wasn't. One of his first promo gigs was with '60 Minutes' where (Wallace?) read a passage about how he shot up McGwire "numerous times". After several attempts to get him to specify how many "numerous" was he was down to "well ... once, maybe twice". Embellishing a book makes it more notable or - hopefully for the author/publisher - also more sellable. Canseco wanted to pump up his name by making himself into (and got far too much credit for IMO) the 'hero' in the steroids story even as he is now getting around to distancing himself from some of the stuff he said in that book. Benjamin Grimm Jan 28 2009 02:11 PM I remember seeing Canseco on Letterman promoting his book, and he claimed to have been the one who introduced steroids to baseball, and that he wrote the book as a way of making amends. I didn't buy the "making amends" part at all, but I did wonder about how much truth there is in his claim about being the first steroid user. I am skeptical, but someone had to be the first. Could it have been him? Frayed Knot Jan 28 2009 02:26 PM I'm sure he was among the first users to make drug-taking a full-time habit but the claim that he "introduced them" is probably more self-promotion than actual fact. Prior to that guys had experimented with all kinds of shit. Atlanta pitcher Tom House has admitted that he and several other were using some whacked out crap like horse steroids and that was back at the end of Aaron's era - some 15 prior to Canseco's rookie year. The manufacture and distribution of steroids specifically for athletic purposes was as unsophisticated back them as were the people taking them, but by the time Jose came on the scene in '87 he was at just the right time to be at least among the first to add them to their Wheaties as part of a training regimen from Day 1. Brian Downing was the first guy I remember who went away one winter and showed up the following spring looking incredibly bulked up (mid-'80s.) Whether that was roids or not is speculation ... but I'd bet on it.

[stevejrogers]

Perfect example, Jose Canseco was dead on accurate in his first book, especially when it came to Rafael Palmerio who was one of the book's ardent critics when he was named in it.

[Guest Edgy DC]

"Here's something you probably don't know about Roger Clemens: He's one of the very few baseball players I know who never cheated on his wife."

--- Jose Canseco, Juiced: Wild Times, Rampant 'Roids, Smash Hits, and How Baseball Got Big

[stevejrogers]

Point? The book wasn't an expose on who cheats on their spouses. The two weren't close at all, and I would hazard a guess that not even Clemens' close friends in the game knew about McCready or whomever else Roger did on the side.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Point is that dead-on accurate is dead-on accurate.

What's your point in trying to put me on the spot about Gooden's pee?

[Benjamin Grimm]

Yeah, really. In quoting Gooden, Edgy never implied that he believed him.

[Frayed Knot]

="SteveJRogers":1opxjwwi]Perfect example, Jose Canseco was dead on accurate in his first book ...[/quote:1opxjwwi] No he wasn't. One of his first promo gigs was with '60 Minutes' where (Wallace?) read a passage about how he shot up McGwire "numerous times". After several attempts to get him to specify how many "numerous" was he was down to "well ... once, maybe twice". Embellishing a book makes it more notable or - hopefully for the author/publisher - also more sellable. Canseco wanted to pump up his name by making himself into (and got far too much credit for IMO) the 'hero' in the steroids story even as he is now getting around to distancing himself from some of the stuff he said in that book.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 28 2009 02:11 PM

I remember seeing Canseco on Letterman promoting his book, and he claimed to have been the one who introduced steroids to baseball, and that he wrote the book as a way of making amends. I didn't buy the "making amends" part at all, but I did wonder about how much truth there is in his claim about being the first steroid user. I am skeptical, but someone had to be the first. Could it have been him?

Frayed Knot Jan 28 2009 02:26 PM

I'm sure he was among the first users to make drug-taking a full-time habit but the claim that he "introduced them" is probably more self-promotion than actual fact. Prior to that guys had experimented with all kinds of shit. Atlanta pitcher Tom House has admitted that he and several other were using some whacked out crap like horse steroids and that was back at the end of Aaron's era - some 15 prior to Canseco's rookie year. The manufacture and distribution of steroids specifically for athletic purposes was as unsophisticated back them as were the people taking them, but by the time Jose came on the scene in '87 he was at just the right time to be at least among the first to add them to their Wheaties as part of a training regimen from Day 1. Brian Downing was the first guy I remember who went away one winter and showed up the following spring looking incredibly bulked up (mid-'80s.) Whether that was roids or not is speculation ... but I'd bet on it.

[Benjamin Grimm]

I remember seeing Canseco on Letterman promoting his book, and he claimed to have been the one who introduced steroids to baseball, and that he wrote the book as a way of making amends.

I didn't buy the "making amends" part at all, but I did wonder about how much truth there is in his claim about being the first steroid user. I am skeptical, but someone had to be the first. Could it have been him?

[Frayed Knot]

I'm sure he was among the first users to make drug-taking a full-time habit but the claim that he "introduced them" is probably more self-promotion than actual fact. Prior to that guys had experimented with all kinds of shit. Atlanta pitcher Tom House has admitted that he and several other were using some whacked out crap like horse steroids and that was back at the end of Aaron's era - some 15 prior to Canseco's rookie year. The manufacture and distribution of steroids specifically for athletic purposes was as unsophisticated back them as were the people taking them, but by the time Jose came on the scene in '87 he was at just the right time to be at least among the first to add them to their Wheaties as part of a training regimen from Day 1.

Brian Downing was the first guy I remember who went away one winter and showed up the following spring looking incredibly bulked up (mid-'80s.) Whether that was roids or not is speculation ... but I'd bet on it.