Schaefer commentary

[nymr83]

KC, no beer on april 8th for anyone but el duque?
when castro and green went back to back they tied the game and took the lead

[Guest Kid Carsey]

Didn't feel very Schaeferly for yesterday's games and today's. The starting
pitchers only get shots at vote every fifth day, so I sprayed some Schaefer
on 'em.

I'm going to try and vote all year, last year I got lazy, but some games will
be less enthusiastically voted on than others.

[Guest Rockin' Doc]

It seems to me that people a being pretty harsh on Glavine for yesterday's game. Granted, he only lasted 5.33 innings, but he only allowed 4 hits and 2 earned runs. His defense betrayed him with two errors that led to 3 unearned runs. Even one of the hits was rather suspect scoring of a ground ball that Valentin had go off the heel of his glove ranging to his left. If he had fielded it cleanly, he definitely had a simple toss to get the runner.

It certainly wasn't a great performance, but I think it merits more than the 0.5 to 1.0 Schaeffer points that many awarded Glavine. To see some awarded Green and Delgado the most beer seems pretty generous considering their defensive gaffes were largely responsible for the 3 unearned runs. Of course, that's just my thoughts.

[nymr83]

the 3 walks and 1 hit batter didnt help his cause either, and he left the game with runners on (didn't clean up his own mess) which is something i never like to see

[Benjamin Grimm]

Voting for all three games in Atlanta will close on Wednesday morning.

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[nymr83]

no beer for Maine today (4/9).

4 2/3 just doesnt cut it for a starter. i don't care that he only allowed 2 runs, he walked SIX (on top of 5 hits) and left thegame with the bases loaded, only to be bailed out by burgos. finish that inning yourself and you'll get a couple of points, fail to even pitch 5 and leave in big trouble and i can't give you anything.

burgos would have gotten a full point out of me if he'd just nailed down that out and gotten through the next inning because that out was big, but by giving up a 3-run shot he took away whatever he had earned

[Elster88]

Randolph -5

[Theoldmole]

Reyes running out the popup to the mound and making second when it was dropped...that's what you wanna see.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Wide disparity in voting for the home opener. It will be interesting to see what the final consensus looks like.

[nymr83]

="TheOldMole"]Reyes running out the popup to the mound and making second when it was dropped...that's what you wanna see.

no, thats what you expect to see, i don't give points for doing what every player should do (hustling) rather i take away points from anyone i see dogging it.

[Gwreck]

Yancy Street Gang wrote: Wide disparity in voting for the home opener. It will be interesting to see what the final consensus looks like.

Indeed. What I can't figure out is the Smith/Feliciano situation. Seems to be a variety of opinions as to what a quality inning of relief work is worth (anywhere from 0 to 1, according to the votes).

The strange part is them being awarded different point values on some ballots...and other ballots that list one but not the other.

[Benjamin Grimm]

And Maine is getting a low of zero and a high of 3. Wright is ranging from 0.25 to 2.5.

[nymr83]

i'm really not sure where people found 3 points for John Maine, unless they didnt watch the game, just looked at the box score, and didn't see that he left the game with the bases loaded.

edit- it should be pointed out that only one voter gave Maine 3, everyone else gave him 1 or less, so i think we can chalk that up to a crazy outlier unless the voter cares to defend it.

i'm not sure where Wright gets 2.5 either, i suppose his was the biggest hit in the inning since everyone else seemed to get it done with bloopers, errors, and sac flies, i still wouldnt give him that much because the Mets already led 7-5 when he stepped to the plate, but its alot more defensible than Maine getting a 3 when nobody else topped 1.

[metirish]

The voting for the home opener is getting all pear shaped.

[Willets Point]

Wright lost a lot of points from me due to excessive LOBbage.

[Guest Rockin' Doc]

Nymr - "...i don't give points for doing what every player should do (hustling) rather i take away points from anyone i see dogging it."

Exactly. It has always irritated me to see a player quit on a play. With all the money players are being paid, there is no excuse for a player not to hustle.

If a player can't give his best effort, then I can't give him any Schaeffer.


Upon edit: fixed typo of efort

[Guest Kid Carsey]

Looked over the 4/9 points and like 'Monk's thinking and echoed it.

(copy-catting is the most sincere form of flattery)

[Theoldmole]

I disagree. Most players are safe at first on a dropped popup at the mound, not that many get to second.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Voting for the series in Atlanta closed this morning.


Voting continues for Monday's home opening win over the Phillies. I'll shut it down and post the totals some time on Thursday morning.

http://cybermessageboard.ehost.com/getalife/viewtopic.php?t=6060

[nymr83]

uglliest game so far this year (4/11) it would be pretty easy to give Reyes 1 point, smith and feliciano .5 each and just stop there, i want to give out 10 points every game though, i just feel the totals work out better that way.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Month-to-date totals for April 2007
Through game of April 9, 2007

Rank	Name	Points
1	Orlando Hernandez	9.54
2	José Reyes	7.49
3	Carlos Beltran	6.28
4	Carlos Delgado	5.46
5	John Maine	5.29
6	Paul Lo Duca	5.21
7	Tom Glavine	5.03
8	Oliver Perez	4.48
9	Shawn Green	4.34
10	David Wright	2.16
11	José Valentin	2.01
12	Moises Alou	1.82
13	Aaron Heilman	1.26
13	Ramon Castro	1.26
15	Joe Smith	1.16
16	Scott Schoeneweis	0.89
17	Billy Wagner	0.70
18	Pedro Feliciano	0.54
19	Julio Franco	0.22
20	Ambiorix Burgos	0.04
21	Aaron Sele	0.03
22	Endy Chavez	0.02

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

4/11: Why are folks leaving Sele off the ballot? Came into a situation where one pitch could have removed any hope, and kept 'em within comeback range for another 4 innings.

[metsmarathon]

don't worry. i'm making up for it with a ridiculous 4.1 points for the guy!

[Guest Edgy DC]

Seems Valentin --- with a walk, a hit, and a run scored --- had as good a game as Reyes. He didn't do quite as much on defense, but Reyes' 1-for-2 in steals has to be a demerit.

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

Reyes was on base his first 3 times up.

I shounta left off Valentin completely.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Yeah, I'll have to withdraw that in part.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Voting for April 11 will continue until some time Saturday morning.

[nymr83]

I think this project gets hurt by the huge difference in voter turnout for wins and losses

[Guest Kid Carsey]

Place is quiet, maybe some monday morning votes will perk up yesterday
nearly unwatchable debacle voting.

As an aside, I like to give out ten votes for wins ... I can't see me ever handing
out all ten in a loss and especially not a fugly loss.

[nymr83]

i think the point should be to give out ten every game. if not we should be grading each player on a scale every game with no max on team totals.
also, i find it strange that people will hand out a few points in a loss because they don't want to "stretch" while "stretching" to find ways to hand out all 10 in an ugly win.