2007 Pitching Rotation Hot Stove Conversation

[metsmarathon]

so, if i understand that correctly... its 14 mil if the team chooses to retain him, 7 mil if he chooses to remain with the team, or 3 mil if neither party wishes to see tom glavine on the 2007 mets

right??

[seawolf17]

That's the way I read it this morning. The Mets can tell him, "We're not paying you $14 million." He can either say "Fine, then you'll pay me eight to play," or "I'll take my three and go sign for eight elsewhere and make eleven."

[HahnSolo]

Adam Eaton is a free agent, right? I know he was hurt a lot this year, but is he a middle of the rotation option?

[MFS62]

HahnSolo wrote: Adam Eaton is a free agent, right? I know he was hurt a lot this year, but is he a middle of the rotation option?

He's something like 54-45, 4.40 lifetime. I don't think he had a full ml season with an ERA under 4.10. Depends on whether he had his injury early this year, and then came back to pitch in the ML, or if the injury ended his year. I couldn't find his Dl list dates.

He's already 28 yers old. He seems to be a Traschell in the making.

He might be a #4, but IMO not a #3 on a team that wants to win it all.

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[Frayed Knot]

="seawolf17"]According to today's Newsday, it's $14.5 million on the team option, $7 (or $8, I don't recall) million on the player option. The buyout is $3 million. So worst case, he gets only $3 million from the Mets.

Remember that Glavine agreed to a restructuring of his deal which reduced his salary by $3mil for this past year. So essentially the $3mil buyout is a way to give that money back if he chooses NOT to sign here again. If he does strike a deal that $3mil will, in effect, be part of the contract (so the $14.5 which seems so high is really "only" $11.5)

Even still, that team option seems high and the player option kind of low. What this always sounded like to me was that the two sides purposely placed the options at the extremes of where his '07 salary might fall and what I suspect will happen is that, if Glavine decides to stay, the two sides will likely agree to a number that's somewhere between those two points.

[metirish]

Not sure if this was reported here...

Mets' Humber leaves Arizona Fall League

[MFS62]

Isn't there a big difference between a bruise and tendonitis?
Is there a doctor in the house?

Later

[Farmer Ted]

A bruise is a trauma injury. Tendonitis is typically caused by general wear and tear. I'd take a bruise over tendonitis.

[metirish]

You ask for a Doctor and you get a farmer.

[soupcan]

Cows get bruised too.

[Elster88]

How on earth do we get Zumaya on our team? I'm a believer. I think Wagner would make an excellent LOOGY.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

There's a person who says the Mets aren't going to try to sign Zito.

Or Soriano for that matter.

From today's New York Post:

="Mark Hale"]SOURCE: METS NOT GUNNING FOR BIG 3 By MARK HALE October 27, 2006 -- ST. LOUIS - Two big names - Barry Zito and Alfonso Soriano - will be free agents this fall, and a third big name, Manny Ramirez, could available in a trade. But right now, according to a source familiar with the situation, the Mets are not interested in pursuing any of them. The Mets' agenda this offseason still can change, as the team will have organizational meetings shortly. But the strong initial indication, according to the source, is that the Mets are not targeting any specific position player unlike last year when they went after closer Billy Wagner. The Mets will need a top starter and possibly a second baseman and left fielder, but they apparently are not interested in Zito, Soriano and Ramirez, three big names who have been linked to the Mets over the past few seasons. Zito is represented by Scott Boras, and the Mets - according to the source - estimate the left-hander will soar out of their price range. Zito could get at least $70 million over five seasons. Zito, 28, went 16-10 with a 3.83 ERA this season with Oakland, fanning 151 and walking a career-high 99. As for Soriano, the source indicated the lack of interest would not be because of money. Rather, the person said the Mets have not pursued Soriano that much in the past. Soriano, a five-time All-Star who turns 31 in January, hit .277 with a career-high 46 homers and had 41 stolen bases this season with Washington while playing left field. He played second base in his first five seasons in the league. Mets second baseman Jose Valentin and left fielder Cliff Floyd will be free agents, but the Mets have looked at free-agent infielder Julio Lugo since July 2005. Lugo, who ended the season with the Dodgers, told The Post in September earlier this year that "playing [for the Mets] for me would be a dream come true." Last year, Ramirez reportedly wanted to be dealt. The Mets, though, didn't pursue Ramirez hard last winter. Boston, knowing that Ramirez and David Ortiz represent its strength, would move Ramirez only if a team paid the rest of his hefty contract and also traded the Sox multiple top young players. Boston also would have to know it could find a big bat to hit behind Ortiz. Accomplishing those three items is unlikely, the Red Sox believe, which means Ramirez will likely stay in Boston.

[soupcan]

This doesn't really bother me that much.

We all know that all-star laden teams don't guarantee you anything anyway.

I'd definitely like the Mets to add a frontline starter or two but I'm good with taking a pass on Soriano and Manny - two guys who haven't shown to be the best clubhouse guys out there.

Okay Omar I'm with you. Let's give Lastings a shot in left, sign Schmidt and go hard after Matsuzaka.

I don't care what you do at second. Lugo's fine if that's what you want just don't overpay.

[Frayed Knot]

"As for Soriano, the source indicated the lack of interest would not be because of money. Rather, the person said the Mets have not pursued Soriano that much in the past."

But, but, but ... Omar's obsessed with Soriano. Everyone knows that!
(or was it Manny? ... I lose track)

[Willets Point]

It's Sammy Sosa he's obsessed with.

[MFS62]

="Frayed Knot"]"As for Soriano, the source indicated the lack of interest would not be because of money. Rather, the person said the Mets have not pursued Soriano that much in the past." But, but, but ... Omar's obsessed with Soriano. Everyone knows that! (or was it Manny? ... I lose track)

And I think I read that Willie likes Sori, and vice versa, from their days together with the MFYs.

Stay tuned.

Later

[Guest Iubitul]

This sounds to me like we don't want to get involved so the price doesn't get ratched up higher before we actually get involved...

[RealityChuck]

Yes. The worst thing to do when negotiating is to make it clear you really want a player. If you're willing to throw money at him, then fine, but if you want to keep to a budget, saying you're not interested can make a difference.

If I were Omar, I'd certainly say I'm not that interested in Zito. Then when Scot Boras calls, you say "Well, OK" and try to get him for less.

As a second bonus, it also doesn't raise expectations among fans. If the team says they're really going after Zito, and we don't get him, it's perceived as failure. If we say, "we're not interested" and end up with him anyway, it's perceived as a nice bonus.

[MFS62]

]Lugo, who ended the season with the Dodgers, told The Post in September earlier this year that "playing [for the Mets] for me would be a dream come true."

I wonder if that would get the Mets a discounted price?
Anyone know if Boras is his agent?

Later

[Valadius]

] Update: A source familiar with the Mets' thinking believes that the team will not pursue Soriano or Barry Zito, both of whom are free agents, or Manny Ramirez in a trade, the NY Post reports. Recommendation: The Mets' agenda this offseason still can change, as the team will have organizational meetings shortly. But the strong initial indication, according to the source, is that the Mets are not targeting any specific position player unlike last year when they went after closer Billy Wagner. The Mets will need a top starter and possibly a second baseman and left fielder, but they apparently are not interested in Soriano, Zito, and Ramirez, three big names who have been linked to the Mets over the past few seasons. As for Soriano, the source indicated the lack of interest would not be because of money. Rather, the person said the Mets have not pursued Soriano that much in the past, though he would fill a big hole in either left field or second base, if the team chooses not to re-sign Cliff Floyd or Jose Valentin.

[Valadius]

] Update: Pettitte, a free agent, might be attractive to both New York teams, according to Joel Sherman of the NY Post reports. Recommendation: Pettitte has not yet determined whether or not to play in 2007 and if he wants to stay home in Houston if he were to return. Pettitte finished 14-13 with a 4.20 ERA, but he ended strongly, which is a big deal considering that the health of his left elbow has long been the big worry about him. Pettitte's 2.80 second-half ERA was seventh best in the majors (12 start minimum), and he tied for the overall major league lead in starts (35). His familiarity with the Yankees would seem to give them the edge if he does decide to come back for a long-term deal and Houston may have the advantage if he wants to go year-by-year.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

Who are these quotes from?

[Valadius]

I clipped them from Yahoo News, which got them from RotoWire.

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

Valadius wrote: I clipped them from Yahoo News, which got them from RotoWire.

which likely stole something itself and misinterpreted it.

Uh, Yahoo and Rotowire aren't reporters.

[Guest Edgy DC]

If the Mets want a big-shot arm, I'm thinking their top goal would be Dontrelle Willis, them thinking that re-uniting him with Lo Duca and exposing him to Pedro would be good influences. The downside would be that Peterson may not be enamored with all his extraneous movement.

I think any trade talk would have to begin, and merely begin, Lastings Milledge. Clearly, Florida knows how to harvest the Mets farm.

[nymr83]

for Willis, if a long-term deal can be negotiated, i'd sell a good part of the farm.

If Milledge and Humber gets it done i'm game.

[Elster88]

I'll never understand why people think Florida would want to trade Willis for anything.

He's a cheap young ace. That's what you gamble on getting when you trade for prospects. So why would the Marlins gamble on getting something in a prospect by trading away what they are hoping to get? Doesn't make any sense.

[nymr83]

because he wont be cheap for much longer and themorons who run that team have adopted the "lowest possible payroll" business model rather than the "wins fill the seats" model.

[metirish]

Kerry Wood is a FA,I know he's forever injured but maybe getting the hell outta Chicago is what he needs,Rick could work his bio-mechanics magic on him,I've read where people think he's got bad mechanics.

[metsmarathon]

howsabout we stick him in the pen...